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Should we stop selling limited time only cash shop items because it is unethical?
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pieratsos✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Dont Carelordrichter wrote: »It is not unethical. It is not even a poor business practice. It is just one of those facts of life that people deal with.
Well the fact that this is just how the world works doesnt make it any better. They are still indirectly manipulating people by making things available only for a limited time and slap a huge price tag on them to make as much money as possible. Its actually a brilliant business practice. Ethical, unethical it doesnt matter. People may call it whatever they want. But it is what it is.Edited by pieratsos on May 2, 2017 2:23PM1 -
Galwylin✭✭✭✭✭NoWell.. The Crown system IS intentionally deceiptful, just like how casino's work with chips:
"Hey, this island for only 15.000 imaginary in game crowns!"
vs
"DAMN, they're charging € 120,00 REAL MONEY for an imaginary place to live for my imaginary heroes?"
If the Crown store was in actual money prices they wouldn't sell half as much.
I don't know about that. My suspension is many people here don't work for their money. They can't be married. I've never met a wife that thrills at her husband's spending habits but pretend island resorts? Oh, that would be an absolute pleasure to pitch to her. They probably think money is all imaginary. Probably struggle if they have any. I think ZOS know exactly who they're targeting.2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭NoMidknightWolf wrote: »A question asking if you think persuading weak minded, often younge consumers into impulse buying already outrageously overpriced items is unethical. I dont have an opinion. Just curious.
You say you don't have an opinion yet you pose the question as though it is unethical. Your not asking if it is ethical or not. Which it is ethical.2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭NoANGEL_BtVS wrote: »Taco Bell has a limited time taco burrito. Is that unethical?
The burrito itself, yes. The limited time aspect, no.
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Kiralyn2000✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭NoIs it annoying (there's several limited-time costumes I missed)? Sure.
But "unethical"? Um, no.
(I also have no issue with them selling expensive 100% Optional/Cosmetic items. Since they're just that - 100% optional, and have no real game value/effect. Nothing is strong-arming you into "needing" to buy that item.)0 -
idk✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Noulrik.igerupb16_ESO wrote: »I wonder who this "we" is who the OP is referring to...
OP must work for Zos. Maybe he's Wrobel on his personal account.0 -
Rouven✭✭✭✭✭
✭I used to work at a bank. Older people often came in with standardized forms typically used to pay bills, seeking help in filling out the form. Most of the time those forms were not bills they had to pay, but forms to make a donation. I told them it's voluntary they don't have to pay anything. "Oh well let's pay $20 then" was the usual answer.
It's a fine line and I talk to my kids about these tactics all the time.Real stupidity beats artificial intelligence every time. ~ Terry Pratchett0 -
WalksonGraves✭✭✭✭✭
✭YesWhat? Capitalism leads to inequality? Since when! Next you're going to tell me people eat thousand dollar desserts while people starve to death. The more you have the less it's worth and the more likely you are to waste. You want to fix unethical business practices you're going to have to destroy and erase human society and start from scratch.Edited by WalksonGraves on May 2, 2017 2:16PM1 -
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✭Dont CareWalksonGraves wrote: »What? Capitalism leads to inequality? Since when! Next you're going to tell me people eat thousand dollar desserts while people starve to death. The more you have the less it's worth and the more likely you are to waste.
Blimey, hadn't realised that ESO had a Social Justice Warrior Class.1 -
Darkstorne✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭NoThannazzar wrote: »WalksonGraves wrote: »What? Capitalism leads to inequality? Since when! Next you're going to tell me people eat thousand dollar desserts while people starve to death. The more you have the less it's worth and the more likely you are to waste.
Blimey, hadn't realised that ESO had a Social Justice Warrior Class.
Anyone who thinks "social justice warrior" is somehow an insult needs to do some serious soul searching.
Regarding the question of ethics with limited time purchases, I don't think it's an issue. It's a clear choice customers are allowed to make, knowing exactly what they'll get for exactly what price. It's also all telegraphed well in advance of the items going on sale, so there's a lot of time for customers to mull it over. If anything is unethical it's Crown Crates, since you're paying outrageous prices for potentially nothing of interest and hooking into the gambling mindset.3 -
WalksonGraves✭✭✭✭✭
✭YesThannazzar wrote: »WalksonGraves wrote: »What? Capitalism leads to inequality? Since when! Next you're going to tell me people eat thousand dollar desserts while people starve to death. The more you have the less it's worth and the more likely you are to waste.
Blimey, hadn't realised that ESO had a Social Justice Warrior Class.
Hey that's offensive! I'm a social justice wizard.2 -
Nickernator✭✭✭YesWouldn't call it unethical, but I always hated the: Buy now or never type of feeling with those Crown Store items, so I just pass those.ESO player since release
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✭Well.. The Crown system IS intentionally deceiptful, just like how casino's work with chips:
"Hey, this island for only 15.000 imaginary in game crowns!"
vs
"DAMN, they're charging € 120,00 REAL MONEY for an imaginary place to live for my imaginary heroes?"
If the Crown store was in actual money prices they wouldn't sell half as much.
The crown system is deceiptful? Lol that made me laugh. There is nothing tricky about buying crowns. There isn't anything bought with crown that is deceitful. You know exactly what you are buying. Even with the crates, you know you are buying a "chance" to get something. They never hid that fact. $120 in rlm, or maybe I bought mine on sale and added what I get every month from eso plus.
Why everyone assumes that eveyone runs out to buy crowns when something new comes along is beyond me. I buy crowns on sale, spent about $100 on the last sale, and since I play eso exclusively it doesn't bother me, because I would have spent 4x more than that on other games this year.
As far as the original poll, sorry it's loaded, that's not how you get honest answers from anyone. It's an attempt to bring like minded individuals to sway the numbers in a direction you want so you can say "see how many people think this or that". Should every business stop selling limited time items? Is McDonald's unethical for offering a mc rib sandwhich? I guess they should doing limiting time events as well, no more anniversary events, no more holiday events. It could be considered the same as you can't get those items after the event.MidknightWolf wrote: »A question asking if you think persuading weak minded, often younge consumers into impulse buying already outrageously overpriced items is unethical. I dont have an opinion. Just curious.
Why would someone have to be weak minded, or young. Some people have the means to spend extra money and that is there business. Your assumption is just as bad as the op. Not to mention just because something costs more than what you deem fair doesn't make your statement about outrageously over priced any more true.3 -
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✭✭✭✭✭lordrichter wrote: »It is not unethical. It is not even a poor business practice. It is just one of those facts of life that people deal with.
Well the fact that this is just how the world works doesnt make it any better. They are still indirectly manipulating people by making things available only for a limited time and slap a huge price tag on them to make as much money as possible. Its actually a brilliant business practice. Ethical, unethical it doesnt matter. People may call it whatever they want. But it is what it is.
The people who are exposed to these limited time things need to be adults that are perfectly capable of making these purchasing decisions in an adult manner. Edit: It is not my place to tell them that they are wrong, or to question the purchasing decisions of a perfectly capable adult. The vast majority are going to be perfectly capable adults.Edited by Elsonso on May 2, 2017 2:52PMXBox EU/NA:@ElsonsoJannus
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✭Dont CareI fail to see how it is unethical. It's nothing new either. It's legal and been praticed since always. I dislike some business pratices but they clearly work for keep being praticed during millenia. If there are buyers for that sort of thing, one can hardly blame the seller.0 -
theher0not✭✭✭✭✭YesI wouldn't call it unethical, but it is a cheap atempt to trick people into buying something they don't really want.Edited by theher0not on May 2, 2017 3:10PM0
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Eliran✭✭✭✭✭I remember they said the Nightmare Horse is limited, yet I still see them selling it.
Don't trust any word they say, no limited items in this game.0 -
KerinKor✭✭✭✭✭
✭No
If someone's too stupid to be able to translate Crown price into real cash then perhaps they need to educate themselves instead of playing a video game.Well.. The Crown system IS intentionally deceiptful, just like how casino's work with chips:
"Hey, this island for only 15.000 imaginary in game crowns!"
vs
"DAMN, they're charging € 120,00 REAL MONEY for an imaginary place to live for my imaginary heroes?".
In any case, your point has no relevance to this thread as it isn't only applicable to time-limited sales.
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haukke✭✭NoWell.. The Crown system IS intentionally deceiptful, just like how casino's work with chips:
"Hey, this island for only 15.000 imaginary in game crowns!"
vs
"DAMN, they're charging € 120,00 REAL MONEY for an imaginary place to live for my imaginary heroes?"
If the Crown store was in actual money prices they wouldn't sell half as much.
if the island was real money instead of crowns it would have only been about 55 dollars. I bought crowns at half price and only 5500 at a time. even at full price crowns are .77 cents each. I think they should have more limited stuff. it is not deceptive it is math. if you don't like it don't use it. and if you don't use it you have no reason to complain.
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SydneyGrey✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭NoSometimes toy companies will have a limited edition of something that they'll sell for a short period of time, then never again. It's a promotional gimmick. It drives people crazy, but it's not unethical. This is just the MMO version of that.
There should have been an option in the poll for "Yes, they should stop selling limited time items, but it's NOT unethical." I would've chosen that option.
Edited by SydneyGrey on May 2, 2017 4:05PM2 -
MidknightWolf✭✭✭✭On the contrary, I am very happy to see all the No's. I agree with NO on this but don't really care either way. I am putting together some research and this has helped me tremendously. Thank you all for voting!0 -
Nyladreas✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Dont CareWell.. The Crown system IS intentionally deceiptful, just like how casino's work with chips:
"Hey, this island for only 15.000 imaginary in game crowns!"
vs
"DAMN, they're charging € 120,00 REAL MONEY for an imaginary place to live for my imaginary heroes?"
If the Crown store was in actual money prices they wouldn't sell half as much.
Seriously never understood people who actually work this way. There's so many of them. Maybe its because I grew up in poverty so I have much larger awareness of this?
Doesn't matter if it's crowns or real money on the display, I still realise how expensive it is...
I can afford it now though and I do buy often.
The point is... Idk... Don't wanna judge it just feels like a lot of people are just idiotic.Edited by Nyladreas on May 2, 2017 6:18PM0 -
Acrolas✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭NoMidknightWolf wrote: »On the contrary, I am very happy to see all the No's. I agree with NO on this but don't really care either way. I am putting together some research and this has helped me tremendously. Thank you all for voting!
...and you're calling other people weak-minded?
You need a hypothesis before you research, because having no position means you have nothing to argue for or against. And forum polls are not research because you cannot verify identity or accuracy. Which is why no poll on here will ever matter or function as a catalyst for change.signing off0 -
pieratsos✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Dont Carelordrichter wrote: »lordrichter wrote: »It is not unethical. It is not even a poor business practice. It is just one of those facts of life that people deal with.
Well the fact that this is just how the world works doesnt make it any better. They are still indirectly manipulating people by making things available only for a limited time and slap a huge price tag on them to make as much money as possible. Its actually a brilliant business practice. Ethical, unethical it doesnt matter. People may call it whatever they want. But it is what it is.
The people who are exposed to these limited time things need to be adults that are perfectly capable of making these purchasing decisions in an adult manner. Edit: It is not my place to tell them that they are wrong, or to question the purchasing decisions of a perfectly capable adult. The vast majority are going to be perfectly capable adults.
I totally agree that its because of people's mentality that these kind of things even exist tho it doesnt really have anything to do with being an adult. It mostly has to do with people being able to see reason over emotion. And if people didnt have that mentality then we wouldnt be having this conversation now.
That being said no one is forcing the companies to do these kind of things. On the contrary, they are willingly doing those offers with the sole purpose of manipulating people, expose that mentality and take as much money as possible. Like i said, its a brilliant business tactic but it is what it is. Whether its good or bad, well it depends on how u see it.0 -
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✭I dont mind the pricing. If you want to pay the price thats on you. I do have a problem with the limited time. The sabre mount, one i had been waiting for for three years, was only for five days at the END OF THE MONTH...most people get payed almost two weeks prior, some only getting payed on the first. So...needkess to say it was either buy the mount (i was willing to buy 2500 crowns) and have the electricity bill go late. Or be an adult and not buy it. Had they extended the offer just a week 9r two longer they would have had my money2
