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I don't give a skeevers arse about pvp
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snip blahblah irrelevant chest beating snipIn general, those that hate pvp suck at it.
A good pvp player can do all pve content.
A good pve player does not always make a good pvp'er
*laughs*
You people, always so confrontational and aggressive.
I think the game would be better off without PVP and all the PVPers, things could get back to progression again, which RPG games are actually supposed to be about.
Begone wretches.
Just stating my opinion. Not confrontational or aggressive in the slightest.
You talk of progression, what about many of us who cannot progress anymore and are at endgame?
Blame the devs for not making enough game for you, then go play another game like any sane person would.
Im not the one complaining! Im not kicking off about PVE because i PVP. If you dont like the changes, i suggest it is you that goes and plays another game.
PVE is faceroll easy, its silly. PVP is real endgame in any part of gaming.
Yes you are complaining, you're whining about how you have nothing to do because you're "endgame". And how PVE is so easy for you, because you're a pro.
This sort of rubbish is a great example of the offensive attitude of these PVP types, which any RPG game would well do without.
Can't wait for a quality pure PVE game, then you'll see just how well your games with only PVPers kicking around will do without our PVE dollars.
I havent said Ive got nothing to do at all. Ive got plenty of PVP to do thanks.
You claim I am being aggressive and confrontational as Im a pvp'er, yet the only person being aggressive and confrontational is yourself.
Aww look, he feels the need to hold discussion with me.
What I'm doing is expressing how much I want PVP to be annexed from the game. It would be glorious!
Run along now, go get kill your prescripted mechanical pixels in 2 hits....makes you feel like a god!
What, until Morrowind comes round and we now have to heavy attack everything to death.
Thanks PVPers, you're all making the game better and better each time you whine for nerfs!
We dont whine for Nerfs. Eg) What pvp'er asked for shards to have the stun removed?
This patch is to balance pve more than pvp. When ppl have 710 regen and complete vmol hm with no sustain issues, it makes you realise the game has sustain problems.2 -
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snip blahblah irrelevant chest beating snipIn general, those that hate pvp suck at it.
A good pvp player can do all pve content.
A good pve player does not always make a good pvp'er
*laughs*
You people, always so confrontational and aggressive.
I think the game would be better off without PVP and all the PVPers, things could get back to progression again, which RPG games are actually supposed to be about.
Begone wretches.
Just stating my opinion. Not confrontational or aggressive in the slightest.
You talk of progression, what about many of us who cannot progress anymore and are at endgame?
Blame the devs for not making enough game for you, then go play another game like any sane person would.
Im not the one complaining! Im not kicking off about PVE because i PVP. If you dont like the changes, i suggest it is you that goes and plays another game.
PVE is faceroll easy, its silly. PVP is real endgame in any part of gaming.
Yes you are complaining, you're whining about how you have nothing to do because you're "endgame". And how PVE is so easy for you, because you're a pro.
This sort of rubbish is a great example of the offensive attitude of these PVP types, which any RPG game would well do without.
Can't wait for a quality pure PVE game, then you'll see just how well your games with only PVPers kicking around will do without our PVE dollars.
I havent said Ive got nothing to do at all. Ive got plenty of PVP to do thanks.
You claim I am being aggressive and confrontational as Im a pvp'er, yet the only person being aggressive and confrontational is yourself.
Aww look, he feels the need to hold discussion with me.
What I'm doing is expressing how much I want PVP to be annexed from the game. It would be glorious!
Run along now, go get kill your prescripted mechanical pixels in 2 hits....makes you feel like a god!
What, until Morrowind comes round and we now have to heavy attack everything to death.
Thanks PVPers, you're all making the game better and better each time you whine for nerfs!
We dont whine for Nerfs. Eg) What pvp'er asked for shards to have the stun removed?
This patch is to balance pve more than pvp. When ppl have 710 regen and complete vmol hm with no sustain issues, it makes you realise the game has sustain problems.
Seriously, you stalking me or something, pretty sure I've been doing a good impression of "I don't want to talk to you"...not sure you're very good at picking up signals from others, might want to work on your social skills there
Hope you realise THIS time that this is what we call a conversation closer.
Again, and this new paragraph is a clue this is a general statement and not directed at the above guy who has been (once again) dismissed and does not need to reply to me, PVP complaints are exactly what all the nerfs in the game have been made for.
Without PVP, this game would be great. With PVP, this game is limping.2 -
Xexpo✭✭✭✭✭AngelicaDLynn wrote: »snip ... So stop trying to make the game what YOU think it should be for others.
I think you have it backwards. In reality, the game is currently being balanced for both pvp and pve.
You want to change that to something else. You want "to make the game what YOU think it should be for others."
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✭So why should pvp affect my pve? L2 balance the two seperately zos...
The only way this is possible is to give each class in pvp their own battle spirit.
A Global one, then a class one. So that each class has their pvp nerfs in there. But generally, games that have PVP are globally affected and PVE players should get use to it, and perhaps get better? I run like 500 regen in pve and never run out.Daggerfall Covenant:Casterial Stamplar || Casterial DK || Availed NB || Castyrial Sorc || Spooky Casterial Necro
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Arse sounds funny as in humourous funny, ass sounds wrong as in dumb funny.
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✭So why should pvp affect my pve? L2 balance the two seperately zos...
Zos thinks players have it too easy lol. Never mind that only 1% can complete vma, vdsa, vicp, vwgt, vcos, and vet trials. Never mind most over world bosses need groups to complete. Never mind most people post their miserable experiences on forums about how they can't complete vet dungeons using pug group finder. Only thing easy in pve is overland quests but that's do to battle leveling against solo content. Nope zos thinks you needs a nerf to do pve. Rather than introducing harder content like back in the docia days they want to nerf YOU!!!!!
I completely agree but you do remember how much people complained on here about doshia right? XD
it was like wave after wave of complaining, personally I really enjoyed fighting doshia. Final main story quest was somewhat difficult as well back then and just like doshia I enjoyed the challenge even when I didn't know what the heck I was doing.
I do remember but the difference now is that you should have a variety of difficult content. Back in the day, all content was at docia difficulty. It was to difficult for most people. People got frustrated. But today, some people claim the opposite is true. I don't believe it as per my previous posts.
All mmorpgs that I have ever played introduce new harder content to compete against the player base power creep. While leaving the old content the same. Instead Zos is going back and nerfing the player base rather then introducing varying difficulties in Content. Maybe they think this increases replay value.
This is classic case of Zos doing a one size fits all model across the board because it's easier for them to do rather than take a scalpel and tailor the content. I suspect it has something to do with battle leveling.Legacy of Kain
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✭✭✭✭✭In general, those that hate pvp suck at it.
A good pvp player can do all pve content.
A good pve player does not always make a good pvp'er
*laughs*
You people, always so confrontational and aggressive.
I think the game would be better off without PVP and all the PVPers, things could get back to progression again, which RPG games are actually supposed to be about.
Begone wretches.
Just stating my opinion. Not confrontational or aggressive in the slightest.
You talk of progression, what about many of us who cannot progress anymore and are at endgame?
Blame the devs for not making enough game for you, then go play another game like any sane person would.
Im not the one complaining! Im not kicking off about PVE because i PVP. If you dont like the changes, i suggest it is you that goes and plays another game.
PVE is faceroll easy, its silly. PVP is real endgame in any part of gaming.
Yes you are complaining, you're whining about how you have nothing to do because you're "endgame". And how PVE is so easy for you, because you're a pro.
This sort of rubbish is a great example of the offensive attitude of these PVP types, which any RPG game would well do without.
Can't wait for a quality pure PVE game, then you'll see just how well your games with only PVPers kicking around will do without our PVE dollars.
@Betheny I knew we got along so well for a reason. You are becoming more and more awesome with each post. You're pro-PvE too!? Too good to be true. I call hax. Lol.Edited by Ch4mpTW on April 30, 2017 6:25PM0 -
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✭✭PelinalWhitestrake wrote: »
Eh, I thought some people were under the impression ass is filtered. I find the word *** more humorous though.PelinalWhitestrake wrote: »Arse? Just say ass.
Arse sounds funny as in humourous funny, ass sounds wrong as in dumb funny.
US humour is always less than British humour.
Edit: Oh! But they filter the three letter word for boob. Way to go, ZOS, put a filter on a lovely part of the female anatomy.
Also the name of a perfectly harmless English bird.
Maybe we'll have to communicate in pictures from now on.
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Daganerabus✭✭✭Agreed. - Should have a TOGGLE CP, one for PvP and one for PvE.
Also, previous claims with Tamriel One, was supposed go be more SOLO playability, instead, it is more group or guild oriented.
I run large guilds. But a large fraction of thd population prefers SOLO content. Guilds often end up with too many Trolls deliberately causing issues and drama. -3 -
Yubarius✭✭✭✭In general, those that hate pvp suck at it.
A good pvp player can do all pve content.
A good pve player does not always make a good pvp'er
Not the case at all (at least for me). I may sound arrogant here but i consider myself a pretty good pvper. It's not that I am bad that i no longer like it, it's the amount of imbalanced proc sets, insane class imbalance and unacceptable lag from the zerg fest. I appreciate both aspects of the game, but I enjoy pve a lot more because all of the issues that you get in PvP don't really exist in pve.Edited by Yubarius on April 30, 2017 7:53PM- Yubarius - Magicka NB - Flawless Conqueror
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Humphie✭✭✭✭✭How about we get rid of PvE in general. Means they can focus on fixing PvP and no more carebears crying about the baddies in Cyrodiil.
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✭✭How about we get rid of PvE in general. Means they can focus on fixing PvP and no more carebears crying about the baddies in Cyrodiil.
Fixes everything
That would be a great idea!
Then all us PVE types can go find another game to play, and the game will be left only with PVPers...let's see how long the game will last with PVPers paying all the bills.3 -
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Nah. Just tired of PvE players blaming things on PvP and the other way around.
It is not us being responsible for terrible changes, it is zos forcing that on ALL OF US.
So yeah, if I hear a cry on how bad PvPers are...I get the sarcasm out. Plus I am German. No sense of humor.2 -
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Nah. Just tired of PvE players blaming things on PvP and the other way around.
It is not us being responsible for terrible changes, it is zos forcing that on ALL OF US.
So yeah, if I hear a cry on how bad PvPers are...I get the sarcasm out. Plus I am German. No sense of humor.
Nope sorry, you don't get to slime your way out of the responsibility for nerfs.
It's the PVPers fault and noone else's...if they'd just balance it separately it'd be fine...but once again the PVPers rush in to complain about that too and how they'd need to learn the skill differences...boo hoo!
All collectively your fault PVPers...all your fault.6 -
Humphie✭✭✭✭✭
Nah. Just tired of PvE players blaming things on PvP and the other way around.
It is not us being responsible for terrible changes, it is zos forcing that on ALL OF US.
So yeah, if I hear a cry on how bad PvPers are...I get the sarcasm out. Plus I am German. No sense of humor.
Nope sorry, you don't get to slime your way out of the responsibility for nerfs.
It's the PVPers fault and noone else's...if they'd just balance it separately it'd be fine...but once again the PVPers rush in to complain about that too and how they'd need to learn the skill differences...boo hoo!
All collectively your fault PVPers...all your fault.
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Nah. Just tired of PvE players blaming things on PvP and the other way around.
It is not us being responsible for terrible changes, it is zos forcing that on ALL OF US.
So yeah, if I hear a cry on how bad PvPers are...I get the sarcasm out. Plus I am German. No sense of humor.
Nope sorry, you don't get to slime your way out of the responsibility for nerfs.
It's the PVPers fault and noone else's...if they'd just balance it separately it'd be fine...but once again the PVPers rush in to complain about that too and how they'd need to learn the skill differences...boo hoo!
All collectively your fault PVPers...all your fault.
Lol
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Humphie✭✭✭✭✭
Nah. Just tired of PvE players blaming things on PvP and the other way around.
It is not us being responsible for terrible changes, it is zos forcing that on ALL OF US.
So yeah, if I hear a cry on how bad PvPers are...I get the sarcasm out. Plus I am German. No sense of humor.
Nope sorry, you don't get to slime your way out of the responsibility for nerfs.
It's the PVPers fault and noone else's...if they'd just balance it separately it'd be fine...but once again the PVPers rush in to complain about that too and how they'd need to learn the skill differences...boo hoo!
All collectively your fault PVPers...all your fault.
Lol
Good comeback hurr
It made me giggle a bit. Like a little school girl.0 -
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Nah. Just tired of PvE players blaming things on PvP and the other way around.
It is not us being responsible for terrible changes, it is zos forcing that on ALL OF US.
So yeah, if I hear a cry on how bad PvPers are...I get the sarcasm out. Plus I am German. No sense of humor.
Nope sorry, you don't get to slime your way out of the responsibility for nerfs.
It's the PVPers fault and noone else's...if they'd just balance it separately it'd be fine...but once again the PVPers rush in to complain about that too and how they'd need to learn the skill differences...boo hoo!
All collectively your fault PVPers...all your fault.
Lol
Good comeback hurr
It made me giggle a bit. Like a little school girl.
The truth makes the best kind of punchlines...laughing is a release of the tension buildup you know.2 -
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Nah. Just tired of PvE players blaming things on PvP and the other way around.
It is not us being responsible for terrible changes, it is zos forcing that on ALL OF US.
So yeah, if I hear a cry on how bad PvPers are...I get the sarcasm out. Plus I am German. No sense of humor.
Nope sorry, you don't get to slime your way out of the responsibility for nerfs.
It's the PVPers fault and noone else's...if they'd just balance it separately it'd be fine...but once again the PVPers rush in to complain about that too and how they'd need to learn the skill differences...boo hoo!
All collectively your fault PVPers...all your fault.
Lol
Good comeback hurr
It made me giggle a bit. Like a little school girl.
The truth makes the best kind of punchlines...laughing is a release of the tension buildup you know.
I am a believer now.0 -
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Nah. Just tired of PvE players blaming things on PvP and the other way around.
It is not us being responsible for terrible changes, it is zos forcing that on ALL OF US.
So yeah, if I hear a cry on how bad PvPers are...I get the sarcasm out. Plus I am German. No sense of humor.
Nope sorry, you don't get to slime your way out of the responsibility for nerfs.
It's the PVPers fault and noone else's...if they'd just balance it separately it'd be fine...but once again the PVPers rush in to complain about that too and how they'd need to learn the skill differences...boo hoo!
All collectively your fault PVPers...all your fault.
Lol
Good comeback hurr
It made me giggle a bit. Like a little school girl.
The truth makes the best kind of punchlines...laughing is a release of the tension buildup you know.
I am a believer now.
You may pick up a placard from the back there.0 -
Gabrielzavadski✭✭✭I don't give a netch's fart about PvE, also, tell me, how would they balance Pve and PvP as 2 diferent things? By giving us more skills morphs? or more skills, the Pve wasn't balanced, to start, as well as PvP, with all that CP stuff, that also made performance worse for the game.
PvE if isn't for the lore, isn't for anything more than getting your equipment, level, skills, and get ready for PvP. Unless you like doing a long and boring dungeon for no reason...
PvE wasn't made for soloing a world boss or dungeon, trial, etc, boss...
PvP wasn't made for doing 1vX like it was a normal thing...
What if they, balancing PvE, made PvP ***...? Maybe if you're a specialist in game mechanics, you could say something, but...
That's just me thinking here...
Also, look at the game theme, it's war... even at PvE it's war...Glory for the Pact!1 -
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Nah. Just tired of PvE players blaming things on PvP and the other way around.
It is not us being responsible for terrible changes, it is zos forcing that on ALL OF US.
So yeah, if I hear a cry on how bad PvPers are...I get the sarcasm out. Plus I am German. No sense of humor.
Nope sorry, you don't get to slime your way out of the responsibility for nerfs.
It's the PVPers fault and noone else's...if they'd just balance it separately it'd be fine...but once again the PVPers rush in to complain about that too and how they'd need to learn the skill differences...boo hoo!
All collectively your fault PVPers...all your fault.
To be fair it is not the pvpers fault that pvp is a focus in a clearly more developed pve mmorpg, lets not pretend eso started out anything else then a pve mmorpg, this is why I always say you either make an mmorpg with only pve or pvp or instead you add it later but when you add it you separate the skills in an expansion hek I would pay a full price of 60 bucks for separating the skills.
Anyways lets not pretend that pvpers do not cry nerf everytime they lack the skill or outside the box thinking to counter a class just look at thief in guild wars 2, look at any stealth class in any mmorpg, they where hardly ever op and constantly get nerfed because of complainers and something similar is happening here.1 -
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This is the real issue: Why apply a game-wide nerf to all vet players when only some of those players have no sustain issues? Or perhaps I should ask this question instead: since this a game, and I (possibly along with some others) play this game for fun and relaxation, how are these changes going to improve my enjoyment of the game?
It has ZERO chance of improving your enjoyment of the game, unless you enjoy pain, suffering and constantly re-doing your character.
The OP is correct. They lack the ability and desire to TRULY balance the game - the only way to do so is to break apart PvP and PvE... either physically, with separate servers or virtually, by having two sets of abilities/etc for each skill/item/etc.
There is simply NO other way to balance two completely different systems. I've said it before and I'll say it again. The tactics, issues, builds, etc. you use to defeat dungeon bosses is COMPLETELY AND UTTERLY different than the tactics, issue, build and skills you need in PvP. Even armor is different.
Sadly, like an addict who can't see their own addiction, ZoS can't see that this is the only way to have true balance. It's sad, but true.
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A lot of people just don't want to do PvP, and it has nothing to do with whether they're "good at it" or not. In fact, if they hate PvP and don't want to do it, OF COURSE they won't have the opportunity to get good at it, because they won't do it at all.In general, those that hate pvp suck at it.
Now, I think there's a place for both PvP and PvE, but I completely understand why PvEers would get pissed off after a while after they've seen their characters changed or destroyed over and over again for the sake of balancing PvP. They need to be balanced separately. That's the only fair and logical option to make the most people happy.
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Galwylin✭✭✭✭✭DragonBound wrote: »Anyways lets not pretend that pvpers do not cry nerf everytime they lack the skill or outside the box thinking to counter a class just look at thief in guild wars 2, look at any stealth class in any mmorpg, they where hardly ever op and constantly get nerfed because of complainers and something similar is happening here.
That's my belief as well. I can't think of a single MMORPG with a rogue class that actually plays as a rouge. WoW turned theirs into top physical damage dealers I believe. They unlocked all the doors in EQ. Not a single PvEer I've seen has complained about being ganked by a nightblade. Even this discussion has the sorcerer in someone's sights.
I think PvP has a place but it shouldn't take up the majority of the developers time. Still, not all these nerfs are due to PvPers. At least not the general ones that affect every one.5 -
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✭✭✭✭✭DragonBound wrote: »Anyways lets not pretend that pvpers do not cry nerf everytime they lack the skill or outside the box thinking to counter a class just look at thief in guild wars 2, look at any stealth class in any mmorpg, they where hardly ever op and constantly get nerfed because of complainers and something similar is happening here.
That's my belief as well. I can't think of a single MMORPG with a rogue class that actually plays as a rouge. WoW turned theirs into top physical damage dealers I believe. They unlocked all the doors in EQ. Not a single PvEer I've seen has complained about being ganked by a nightblade. Even this discussion has the sorcerer in someone's sights.
I think PvP has a place but it shouldn't take up the majority of the developers time. Still, not all these nerfs are due to PvPers. At least not the general ones that affect every one.
But, I think it's fair to say that the vast majority of them do. And that in my opinion is unfair, and wrong.2
