Great ESO show!

lunalitetempler · April 2017

I plan to get back into PvP again, tanking on my templer since the DK meta is no more!

Looking forward to making many different builds and play styles. Looking forward to the trial that is about mechanics rather than stand and burn. Really happy with the balance changes and cp options. Spears will now give both resources in one, just the off stat slightly lower!

So excited! Now just need to make a few mill gold for you know what. Oh and BGS !!! Its like my birthday or somet!

IronCrystal · April 2017

Nah, it was truly disappointing.

"we wan't to make sure everyone is running out of resources" The lead combat designer said this verbatum.

They are ruining end game scene. Gonna be a mass exodus again of raiders.

Rohamad_Ali · April 2017

I didn't watch . I see you are excited . Can you describe exactly why for those that didn't watch ?

Toomdad · April 2017

It was a good show in my opinion because they answered a lot of the questions from the eso live thread. You may or may not have liked their answers but I felt they did answer a majority of them.

Tryxus · April 2017

IronCrystal wrote: »

"we wan't to make sure everyone is running out of resources"

They actually said that?

Omg.............

Toomdad · April 2017

They certainly said they want burn phases and regeneration phases.

Tholian1 · April 2017

I liked that they mentioned they want to work on bringing the same stealthy PvP playstyle of NB to PvE.

And apparently players prefer heavy attacks? Who knew?

Toomdad · April 2017

Kinda hinted that if you follow mechanics you should be able to complete the content, though was in direct reference to the new trial.

lunalitetempler · April 2017

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

I didn't watch . I see you are excited . Can you describe exactly why for those that didn't watch ?

So basically with the new class balance changes and cp, it makes for more diverse builds. It also makes any class be able to perform any role just that some classes will still be able to do it slightly better, but it won't be a MUST. Basically been waiting for this day since beta, and also been waiting so long for BG. The battlegrounds are very addictive, played them quite a but. I used to love pve back in the day, though when the cp system came out, tactics got lost in favour for stack and DPS it so fast you don't need to do mechanics, use synergies, pots, heavy attack, or think about gear. Everything got too DPS focused. With these changes it basically goes back to the old days when I found it extremely fun. Very excited ^^

MasterSpatula · April 2017

My second-favorite part was how they got in a huff about people saying they don't play the game.

My favorite part was when they tried giving all sorts of excuses for bad communication, as if having a playerbase that feels ignored isn't a bigger issue than most of those excuses.

Rohamad_Ali · April 2017

lunalitetempler wrote: »

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

I didn't watch . I see you are excited . Can you describe exactly why for those that didn't watch ?

So basically with the new class balance changes and cp, it makes for more diverse builds. It also makes any class be able to perform any role just that some classes will still be able to do it slightly better, but it won't be a MUST. Basically been waiting for this day since beta, and also been waiting so long for BG. The battlegrounds are very addictive, played them quite a but. I used to love pve back in the day, though when the cp system came out, tactics got lost in favour for stack and DPS it so fast you don't need to do mechanics, use synergies, pots, heavy attack, or think about gear. Everything got too DPS focused. With these changes it basically goes back to the old days when I found it extremely fun. Very excited ^^

Ok that is interesting perspective .

grim_tactics · April 2017

I agree it was a good show.

I noticed a couple times when they went off on a tangent but abruptly stopped as to not entice more flaming in regards to nerfs and class changes.

I think more people wanted tougher questions answered but they went with the "just wait and see when you play the game" approach.

I did laugh a good bit when they used a healer or tank nightblade as an example. That was pretty funny cause those terms don't belong together for a nightblade.

Oh , and Wrobel (sp?) yelling "Its pay to win! It's OP!" Lol

Shader_Shibes · April 2017

Tholian1 wrote: »

I liked that they mentioned they want to work on bringing the same stealthy PvP playstyle of NB to PvE.

And apparently players prefer heavy attacks? Who knew?

When he said that, i knew all hope was lost.

Preyfar · April 2017

MasterSpatula wrote: »

My favorite part was when they tried giving all sorts of excuses for bad communication, as if having a playerbase that feels ignored isn't a bigger issue than most of those excuses.

I think that's what frustrates me most. I totally get Gina's point that it comes down to devs working on code OR patrolling the forums. But some issues, bugs and quirks have been going on for so long and never gotten a response. Things like party members being invisible in dungeons and raids, raid mechanics in VMOL randomly not rendering. You know how annoying the Rakkhat fight is when Rakkhat goes invisible for some? Or orbs, tethers or other issues not rendering? It leads to deaths. But these things have never been commented on, and we're going on a year now.

The silence on certain issues leads people to think they're being ignored. Sometimes people just want confirmation it's a known issue. Even if it's not a simple fix (the Xbox VMOL raiders know this pain).

Xvorg · April 2017

lunalitetempler wrote: »

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

I didn't watch . I see you are excited . Can you describe exactly why for those that didn't watch ?

So basically with the new class balance changes and cp, it makes for more diverse builds.

Hard to believe. Bars are turning into "im pressing keys yo buff my next full heavy"...

It also makes any class be able to perform any role just that some classes will still be able to do it slightly better, but it won't be a MUST

Any class can accomplish any role since day one, it was the road you took what set the differences. Saptank did it by healing himself and keeping SA active. DK tank by using his cost decrease to block. Temp by debuffing mobs and sorc by keeping his shields up. Now any tank in this game is gonna play the same, no class skill needed

Basically been waiting for this day since beta, and also been waiting so long for BG. The battlegrounds are very addictive, played them quite a but. I used to love pve back in the day, though when the cp system came out, tactics got lost in favour for stack and DPS it so fast you don't need to do mechanics, use synergies, pots, heavy attack, or think about gear. Everything got too DPS focused. With these changes it basically goes back to the old days when I found it extremely fun. Very excited ^^

I don't think BG are gonna save this game. Top tier dogs are gonna make pre-defined groips with top tier dogs, like in any trial. Average players will be food for those elite groups. Though I agree that the DPS race was bad for the game, the solution wasn't this they are giving now. After 2 years running that race, they want to change the game's approach in less than 2 months. How do you explain the guy farming for a DPS set that the time he spent doing that is not worth, because the game developers have changed their minds?

jcasini222ub17_ESO · April 2017

So is there a place to watch it now or read a transcript?

I'm curious if they answered the question I posed about resto staff major mending and rite of passage.

Leogon · April 2017

jcasini222ub17_ESO wrote: »

So is there a place to watch it now or read a transcript?

I'm curious if they answered the question I posed about resto staff major mending and rite of passage.

https://twitch.tv/videos/138691043

MissBizz · April 2017

jcasini222ub17_ESO wrote: »

So is there a place to watch it now or read a transcript?

I'm curious if they answered the question I posed about resto staff major mending and rite of passage.

@jcasini222ub17_ESO twitch.tv/bethesda that's always where it is, and clicking "videos" you'll find the past livestreams.

Akimbro · April 2017

IronCrystal wrote: »

Nah, it was truly disappointing.

"we wan't to make sure everyone is running out of resources" The lead combat designer said this verbatum.

They are ruining end game scene. Gonna be a mass exodus again of raiders.

This.

DragonBound · April 2017

grim_tactics wrote: »

I agree it was a good show.

I noticed a couple times when they went off on a tangent but abruptly stopped as to not entice more flaming in regards to nerfs and class changes.

I think more people wanted tougher questions answered but they went with the "just wait and see when you play the game" approach.

I did laugh a good bit when they used a healer or tank nightblade as an example. That was pretty funny cause those terms don't belong together for a nightblade.

Oh , and Wrobel (sp?) yelling "Its pay to win! It's OP!" Lol

Yea they did not really talk about the changes they where going to implement, I am still confused as to how this patch created more build diversity unless they mean there is more of it coming that will provide the rest of the diversity aspects.

rotaugen454 · April 2017

The Mobile Wrobel will go on sale in the Crown Store, and legions of Wrobel haters will buy it, making them millions.

DHale · April 2017

Are you sure you watched the show? There will not be more diversity there will be less. There will will be only one set for damage magic and one set stam. I literally have three sets of the same gear which I have never done so I do not need to change gear from one character to the other. This was a canned response that they use to control or create a narrative. No one consciously says hey diversity is bad... but nerfing doesn't lead to build or playstyle diversity. The new meta will be evident on June 6 th.

Tandor · April 2017

I agree that it was a good show. The most entertaining part as one who participates in all manner of technical forums and who is concerned with forced Windows updating was when Gina's laptop announced it was updating and would restart in 9 minutes, not more than halfway through a show that she was coordinating from said laptop

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Be glad we're dealing here with ZOS and not Microsoft!

As for the forthcoming changes, I thought they explained them pretty well and the main points were that it's early days on the PTS, they're listening to the feedback, they're balancing the demands of the different playstyles rather than just being swayed by one, and there are more refinements coming to the changes including next Monday or thereabouts.

IronCrystal · April 2017

I watched the video again. 19:35 in the video.

"We looked at every single class, so, what are the actives the class has, what are the passives, how much are they getting of each of those, and then we looked at that against all the abilities that they are activating, to have sort of like 'well there you know draining at this rate, and they are restoring at this rate, so we wanted to make sure when we compared those two that you're going to be going down over time, you know not immediately, but so that everyone is running out of resources."

https://twitch.tv/videos/138714024