Tryxus wrote: »

Truthfully, I don't feel like a Nightblade anymore on any of them. ZOS has sucked the soul out of the class and left us as inferior husks of existing, more effective classes

I wonder if I can assume that people who love playing nightblade are into the survival playstyle? The kind where you have to set up traps and strategize; to outthink in places where you can't out damage; to outlast due to careful planning more than oh snap buttons. Or nightblade players are fans of Thief (game)? The kind of smash and grab/ assassinate and escape/ guerilla warfare playstyle? I feel like "leeroy jenkins" type of play you see with the other 3 classes is the antithesis of patient, stealthy nightblades.

If Zos wants to boast that they have diverse playstyles in their mmo, they must keep siphoning attacks as is.

Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »

max_only wrote: »

Find and replace "nightblade" with "masochist"

Thanks. :>

Why would anybody play NB at this point ? ?
Nightbalde is average at everything while other classes are best at something...

Dragonknght - Tank
Templar - Healer
Sorcerer - DPS
Nightblade... hmm... - Doing Thieves guild / dark bortherhood quests ?

Not even that with nerf to stealth speed stacking.

FlyLionel wrote: »

Guys our heal from leeching can now crit..and our major armour buff got increased to 2 seconds....10/10.

Is this a joke? Sap essence and swallow soul crits all the time....

Lmao ZOS has managed to make almost every class unenjoyable, boring, weak, and striped the diversity of the classes. Truly incredible. It takes skill to do that it really does.

I really have to wonder who at zos looked at the array of NB class skills and decided "these guys need more self healing, that'll make them happy"

They can't even type the words "nightblade tank" into the patch notes, so we are "heavy armor, tank focused nightblades". It's a total joke.

And by the way, a handful of NBs do tank endgame. But class skills -- with the notable exceptions of SA, mirage, refreshing path, and, in some situations (vSO backroom, vAA axes), Bolstering Darkness -- are more or less useless at that level, and of course DK tanks are way more group friendly. But with SA, I can tank all but HM Rakkhat and a double negate on the vmol twin bosses without needing a templar to feed me shards, which is kind of group friendly since it means the healers can use their resources elsewhere. But now that's going out the window because apparently no one on zos's team can conceive of tanking on something other than a DK.

But hey, I can keep major ward/resolve up for 2 extra seconds now, oh boy, just what i always wanted.

"Play as you like" is a lie.

max_only wrote: »

WalksonGraves wrote: »

The entire NB philosophy of self heal at the cost of damage makes them worthless for group content as dps.

Do you mean funnel health, sap essence, and refreshing path? I'm pretty sure I heal myself and the group at the same time that enemies get damaged. So the self heal isn't at the cost of damage. Maybe I misunderstood

Also I know we're worthless when it comes to dps, I'm not asking to be Op, I'm asking to be left alone. We have one chance to burst and then the rest is a resource management game until the boss dies. There's no bursting throughout a fight with nightblades like there is with other magic classes.

Mag nb skills do less damage than other class dps skills because the health return is calculated along with damage when deciding the total per magika spent value.

Funnel health: low cost, med damage, small heal
sap essence: high cost, small damage, small heal
refreshing path: med cost, small dmg/heal

Just having a halfway decent healer makes self healing largely pointless and you still have handicapped damage.

WalksonGraves wrote: »

max_only wrote: »

WalksonGraves wrote: »

The entire NB philosophy of self heal at the cost of damage makes them worthless for group content as dps.

Do you mean funnel health, sap essence, and refreshing path? I'm pretty sure I heal myself and the group at the same time that enemies get damaged. So the self heal isn't at the cost of damage. Maybe I misunderstood

Also I know we're worthless when it comes to dps, I'm not asking to be Op, I'm asking to be left alone. We have one chance to burst and then the rest is a resource management game until the boss dies. There's no bursting throughout a fight with nightblades like there is with other magic classes.

Mag nb skills do less damage than other class dps skills because the health return is calculated along with damage when deciding the total per magika spent value.

Funnel health: low cost, med damage, small heal
sap essence: high cost, small damage, small heal
refreshing path: med cost, small dmg/heal

Just having a halfway decent healer makes self healing largely pointless and you still have handicapped damage.

Ok I understand now.

Yeah all that tanking and group healing is only good for freeing up the healer to do the dps I can't do lol

Well im glad we cleared that up.

Nightblades have been nerfed into hell and back earlier, and nearly forced to gank. Then ZOS take away ganking. The heck do we do now?

Eh, I'm not quitting. I just would like them to play nightblades and see that these changes are unnecessary. Siphoning attacks only helps our own sustain, not group sustain. Get that they are lowering sustain across the board but why this skill? Nightblades are good people who don't deserve this.

Maybe the dev's got ganked just once too often. And took revenge.