Their changes are trash the devs are trash still can fix toppling. Just quit the game dude you invested alot of time but this is too far. Leave and let this company fail.

How about "While channeling Rite of Passage(or it's morphs) and for 6? seconds after, you gain Major Mending"?

Templars will be fine. Check out new PTS patch notes.

Structured entropy is indeed a means to provide major sorcery and, thereby, increase healing power. Frankly I forgot about that. Good point although the vastly superior sorc ability of surge is what I had in mind.

Honestly, what I think was needed among healers is a good (not poorly tweaked orbs) ability for non-templars to help stam fighters. That is mostly what the other classes are missing. I would love to see more non-templar healers. I just want to see that done by offering solid options/help to other classes, not by degrading templars. Add a stamsteal feature to Eledrain for example. Eledrain is a great skill and my own primary tool for helping magfighters.

Anlaemar wrote: »

Templars will be fine. Check out new PTS patch notes.

did i miss something ? all i'm seeing is an adjustment to blessed shards, which is nice, but did not address the healing part of the nerf.

Vipstaakki wrote: »

Major mending should be kept locked up, safe and secure from the templars.

finally a no voter !
why? you provide a statement but not a reasoning. enlighten us.

Reason for my vote:

>>> No, Healing Springs is NOT better. <<<

Healing Ritual (which I actually use) gives you better placement, and requires you to be proactive. It's area is almost the same size as Ritual of Retribution/Extended Ritual, so it takes a brain to be able to use it, and knowing the fights, when you are going to need to spam it for heals, where you can/should position, avoiding red during usage, etc.

In combination with HoTs, it is a strong AoE burst heal that you have to plan to use, and is already capable of over-healing dps with NO major mending uptime. with Major Mending, it restores a dps from 0 to full, and a tank from 0 to around 1/2 -- this is non-crit. Stack your heal % bonuses other places -- Use a resto staff (8%) powered (6%) 1 piece troll king or sentinel (2%) Ritual Stone (10% bonus to healing done) -- then factor in Restoring Light Mending passive (up to 10% bonus based on current hp of target) -- that's already a 16% bonus that any healer can get on top of their base heals, magnified by using resto-light skills, which will now have an extra 8% instead of 25% on it. And a lot of people are "omg, it's the end of the world!" when it's really not.

Learn how to stack your HoTs, build for % bonuses that go along with your max mag and spell damage for heals, and suddenly you can do some damn amazing healing without even touching major mending.

Note: These are approximate values/rounded because I am not logged in currently and because round numbers are easier to use for % examples.

Magplar DPS -- 2.3k unbuffed spell damage, 44k mag pool, 1200 recovery, NO HEALING % BONUSES -- Healing Ritual heals for 10k, up to 11k based on missing hp.

General DPS HP is around 17k (some lower, near 15k, some higher, near 20k)
General Tank HP is around 35k (some lower, near 28-30k, some much higher, at 60/70k builds)

HoTs running should already be restoring ~3-5k/s. Lifesteal benefits your dps for attacking (I do like using Sanguine Ritual as an extra HoT on boss fights, and that does get bonuses from % increases on healing for whoever cast it).

NONE of these numbers are factored with % healing increases included. So if a magplar general build can start pumping out heals for 40k AoE heal, how much higher does a DEDICATED healer get? That extra 25% is seriously just over-healing and while it will be missed on HoTs it ISN'T by any means a necessity to have.

Extra Bonus: the more % heal bonuses you add in, the more you can trade spell damage for recovery or cost reductions on jewelry. Seeing as Radiant aura gives the templar the uptime on minor recoveries, Recovery stacking can work incredibly well, AND you can utilize Resto-staff attacks not just as resource management and adding dps, but remember that it also applies a small heal to you or around the target -- WHICH also stacks with % healing bonuses, so suddenly heavy attacks will not JUST give major mending (which they do already) but it makes your heavy weave healing channels into another heal burst along with your HoTs.

TLDR:
Healing Ritual CAN be used for people who like the playstyle and learn the fights to when they should/shouldn't use it. It has an extra bonus over healing springs in terms of % heal. Current healing buffs/%s on a healer build have a lot of over-heal happening because of how things stack, the extra 25% is almost always overkill and allowing people to more easily lean on low heal/high spam skills (like Healing Springs) instead of distinguishing between their respective:
HoTs (Regeneration Morphs, Cauterize, Ritual Circle, Sanguine Altar, Healing Springs)
Burst heals (Rushed Ceremony morphs, Rite of Passage, Healing Ritual, Obsidian Shard, Pangaea)
Buffs (Combat Prayer, Ward, DK Shields, Barrier)

Losing that 25% means people may actually start looking at what skills do and how they can combine them for highest efficiency vs just spam casting a single skill because it stacks on itself for lower values that the extra % buff makes look feasible.

Note: For Trials, you can actually have one healer dedicated to doing Burst Heal spamming with a high recovery/cost reduction build while the other focuses on buff casts/HoTs -- with the exception of one running mutagen, other casting rapid mending (the 2 stack) so that you get the HoTs/Buffs/Debuffs and the Burst Heals running out fast and hard without putting a massive drain on either healers respective pools.

Edit:
Still TL;DR --
Healing % contribute to over-healing and spamming of lower skills instead of actual thought about using skills. Losing the 100% major mending = less heal"Bot" and more "Healer"

DeadlyRecluse wrote: »

I love the idea of a tactical choice. Like maybe a ground placed buff that you have to stand in.

Cleansing ritual. GG.

Konstant_Tel_Necris wrote: »

Well since NDA on Morrowind was partially lifted there is info about new crafted set available for everyone
Daedric Trickery
While in combat you gain one of 5 random Major Buffs for 10 seconds every 20 seconds. Eligible buffs are Expedition, Protection, Mending, Heroism, or Vitality.
http://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Daedric+Trickery+Set

Its allow Major Mending for all, not only for templar so all healer will benefit from it, you know there is not only templar healers around but other classes can also take role of healer. But only templar and warden can heal without restorations staff and have 3 full sets active, so templar can easy get both Major and Minor Mending, that's is their benefits over other classes.

so wait, its fine for templar to lose major mending because they can still get it through other means just not through their class abilities, but sorc can still get major sorcery through their class abilities but it doesnt matter because they can stack 2 buffs instead of just having one but templars lose out because #reasons? k.

My dps magsorc can out burst heal my healing magplar with her class ability of matriarch buffed by her class ability of surge. . . .

Currently the only real limitation to a sorc healer is the inability to help stam fighters. So looking at ideas like both putting staminasteal and magicakasteal on EleDrain or the possible update changes to orbs is the way to help non-templar healers.

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STEVIL wrote: »

AcadianPaladin wrote: »

Templar has good access to major mending which improves healing. Sorc and some other classes have good access to major sorcery which improves healing (and damage). Hmmm... balance? If you take my major mending, at least give me major sorcery so my healing is as good as a sorc? Or give sorcs major mending but take away their major sorcery - see the problem?

Ok so did i fall asleep or dont templars still have access to major sorc and major proph just like everybody else does thru the mages guild lines entropy and inner light?

if they do still have it then, well... there you go.

Not the point.

Sure everyone can access those through non-class abilities and utility like pots but sorc has major sorcery from a class ability templar does not. Only minor through a passive and that uptime isnt always the greatest.

If a healing class doesnt have access to major mending through its own abilities then whats the point, templars may not even be able to heal through certain endgame dots anymore.

Sorry but this is not true.

Nobody going up against end game dots is doing so only with class skills unlocked. By end game dots folks likely have guild lines unlocked, weapon lines unlocked, etc.

CLASS SKILLS do not exist in a vacuum, are not played in a vacuum and so are not able to be balanced in a vacuum.

let me be very very very blunt.

You are looking at this opposite of reality.

How many different slots do you want to expend on Major Sorcery?
Does it matter to you if thet Major Sorcery comes from the mage guild line or the sorcerer lightning skill line?

Anyswer - no it doesn't to rational folks.

What matters is how long the buff lasts, what else was gained by having that slot taken etc. major sorcery is major sorcery and it does not matter where it comes from as far as the sorcery buff goes - just what else comes with it.

if i were a sorc player/builder, i would LOVE to have something like minor force or minor berserk (buffs not as easily gained thru the guild lines - well ok there is the fighter one for stamina dam but if i could get that on a magica please) and then grab sorcery from the entropy skill which is a decent enough magica attack/hot wrapped around the buff.

So it is of absolutely zero importance as to whether or not you have something available thru guild skills or thru class skills. You can argue a slight difference for weapon skills since they require you to slot one weapon on one bar but still the point holds.

What matters for a a skills merit of a character/class merit is what they can do, not where things come from.

What it seems to be from the patch notes and revised patch notes is that wardens will have short duration crircumstantial major mending for is it 25% boost AFTER healing someone under a threshold and templars will have ongoing non-circumstantial access to minor mending iirc 8% whenever they throw their effect and for a time after they leave (not sure i am remembering that right.)

For healing thru DOT specifically it would seem the ongoing effect is at least not a "whats the point" level option.

And sorcery is available to them all.