Maintenance Discussion! 4/24/17

Casterial · April 2017

Sophieous wrote: »

People like you is what's ruining the community and the company. Zenimax is doing good, that almost cracked me.

You probs have no clue of what im talking about if u say the competition is graphically unappealing, not gonna mentiona anything cus thyre gonna delete it. But you simply can't say that.

Im an AI and gameplay programmer. I know Zenimax is doing good. Small team, size of the game, bugs being fixed, game being turned around, expansion coming out, new DLC constantly, housing, ESO+. You look at one thing and cry the sky is falling. Go enjoy those games, come back when their launch was bad. All games launch horribly. I've been here since launch I'm amazed at the turn around, but dread most patches after 1.5 for PvP.

PS: I've been here since before there was a community.

Sophieous · April 2017

Casterial wrote: »

Sophieous wrote: »

People like you is what's ruining the community and the company. Zenimax is doing good, that almost cracked me.

You probs have no clue of what im talking about if u say the competition is graphically unappealing, not gonna mentiona anything cus thyre gonna delete it. But you simply can't say that.

Im an AI and gameplay programmer. I know Zenimax is doing good. Small team, size of the game, bugs being fixed, game being turned around, expansion coming out, new DLC constantly, housing, ESO+. You look at one thing and cry the sky is falling. Go enjoy those games, come back when their launch was bad. All games launch horribly. I've been here since launch I'm amazed at the turn around, but dread most patches after 1.5 for PvP.

Do you even pvp? Or pve? or anything with combat? or just ERP? All they release is new content that requires more money, meanwhile leaving bugs in game. Next patch if they dont change w**** wet dream, the combats gonna be completely ruined, classes are gonna be vanished. They know their playerbase is shrinking. And are trying their best to hide it.

And btw, its not esos launch period atm, its more than 2 years later.

There's no point in continuing this convo, we clearly have different opinion. You can be a programmer and eso sub all you want. Other people are too. Let's just end it here.

[Deleted User] · April 2017

The user and all related content has been deleted.

Sergun · April 2017

talk with us , ZOS , talk !!!

Zoltar · April 2017

Maintenance must be done! I agree.
But until 9 PM, in EU is around a whole day without play time!

Hope, at least, an additional -game time day- for eso members will be spread!
...Or Just spread some Crowns, or something else!?

Cheers.

Sergun · April 2017

seems it will be 3 days of maintenance for Morrowind patch

Casterial · April 2017

Sophieous wrote: »

Do you even pvp? Or pve? or anything with combat? or just ERP? All they release is new content that requires more money, meanwhile leaving bugs in game. Next patch if they dont change w**** wet dream, the combats gonna be completely ruined, classes are gonna be vanished. They know their playerbase is shrinking. And are trying their best to hide it.

And btw, its not esos launch period atm, its more than 2 years later.

There's no point in continuing this convo, we clearly have different opinion. You can be a programmer and eso sub all you want. Other people are too. Let's just end it here.

I'm one of the original players. I've been pvping since day one, one of the original duelers and tournament hosters on the NA server. I worked with Sypher theorycrafting before, and ran Legend in its prime. Don't ever try to assume anything, lol. Morrowind will be a new launch, expansions are another launch. It should end here, also I've just recently got into PVE after 3 years or however long it's been playing and I rather do enjoy it. I never RP I sit in cyrodiil all day until lately.

DanaDark · April 2017

Being a computer programmer with some dabble in hardware, I know exactly how 'issues' can come up during maintenance.

Computers, servers, hardware, etc. all doesn't 'just work'. You put even a single character in the wrong place and all poop breaks loose.

For what it's worth: maintenance is at 1am pacific time, so obviously ZOS loves California. The rest of you, well, yeah.

karios525 · April 2017

Dude? Small team>? Seriously they bought bethesda when beth tried to buy out zeni, they ain't small just don't have a clue what made the ES games so special, being able to play any character you wanted, and use any skill you wanted, not forcing us into playing a class, thus restricting our playstyles. The engine isn't even theirs, so yeah they make good use of an engine not even designed for a game of this scope. Whilst I have really enjoyed ESO in the past it has burned me out twice, and every time I come back I find I have to rethink my builds cos of all the nerfing as they are unable to balance anything in the game. Graphically compared to BDO the upcoming MMO'S Bless online, Dark and Light, Pillars of Creation it is very very dated even the lighting is bland to put it bluntly, but I still come back more so because of the community and the guilds I run and belong to. The whole debate between all the nerfing due to pve vs pvp well solution isnt exactly rocket science, as pvp is instanced leave the cp system alone just have it disabled when entering cyro, re enable when you leave, sorted, forces pvp players to be more mindful of their gear like we pve players have to be. Btw bugs arent being fixed properly, every 'patch' just introduces new ones because they don't test properly and never take on board the majority of player feedback

ProfesseurFreder · April 2017

Sergun wrote: »

talk with us , ZOS , talk !!!

The have, there's a thread. 3PM EST. Time to go do Other Things.

mabdastardseb17_ESO · April 2017

Sat here waiting for maintenance to be over
contemplating the changes from before
I wish this time would pass quick
as waiting is like arsenic
upsets me stomach and my ass
at least he can go and chew the grass

DMuehlhausen · April 2017

Brumme wrote: »

why cant they do maintenance at night , when most players are offline.

At night when? When it's night for you, or what about somebody who is a few hours ahead or behind you? What about the people in other parts of the world that connect to this server? Just do it at night for them?

They have reasons for when they do it, and it does start at like 6 am on a Monday morning which I'm guessing is one of the lightest pop times they have. People had the same complaint with Blizzard when WoW started and I think sometime in 2005 they actually released showing numbers that during Tuesday mornings was essentially their lowest pop time so maintenance would effect the least number of people. there is neve a time when 1000s of people aren't logged in though.

SilverWF · April 2017

DanaDark wrote: »

Being a computer programmer with some dabble in hardware, I know exactly how 'issues' can come up during maintenance.

Computers, servers, hardware, etc. all doesn't 'just work'. You put even a single character in the wrong place and all poop breaks loose.

I'm PM for some software company. And sh*t happens, yeah. But, if it is, then everything goes back to previous state (they did backups right? Did they?) and new patch goes to dedicated server for more testing.
Customer are always right. Dev's troubles are only dev's troubles and must not be curstomer's

Pallio · April 2017

Where are the fanboi responses, " Maintenance should be longer" like there were with the pts notes.

Insandros · April 2017

Sophieous wrote: »

hahahahaha what a joke of a company

you cant even post the patch notes, cus you know ppl will get enraged by the 3 audio bug fixes after so long

this is the legit the most incopetent, greedy company i've ever come across. You rly should rethink ur strategy, cus new games are coming out following this year, competition is gonna be far superior and u wont be able to survive. You can have 30h mainternce if you like. More and more ppl are leaving the game cus thy're losing faith in you. Enjoy

Enlight me, will you please be the first one to leave?

Kidding

Wolfchild07 · April 2017

It's the end of the world! The sky is falling...the ground is rising!

No...um...the ground is falling! The sky is rising! Yes, that's it!

The gap is getting bigger! Heavy attack, the apocalypse cometh!

Casterial · April 2017

karios525 wrote: »

Dude? Small team>? Seriously they bought bethesda when beth tried to buy out zeni, they ain't small just don't have a clue what made the ES games so special, being able to play any character you wanted, and use any skill you wanted, not forcing us into playing a class, thus restricting our playstyles. The engine isn't even theirs, so yeah they make good use of an engine not even designed for a game of this scope. Whilst I have really enjoyed ESO in the past it has burned me out twice, and every time I come back I find I have to rethink my builds cos of all the nerfing as they are unable to balance anything in the game. Graphically compared to BDO the upcoming MMO'S Bless online, Dark and Light, Pillars of Creation it is very very dated even the lighting is bland to put it bluntly, but I still come back more so because of the community and the guilds I run and belong to. The whole debate between all the nerfing due to pve vs pvp well solution isnt exactly rocket science, as pvp is instanced leave the cp system alone just have it disabled when entering cyro, re enable when you leave, sorted, forces pvp players to be more mindful of their gear like we pve players have to be. Btw bugs arent being fixed properly, every 'patch' just introduces new ones because they don't test properly and never take on board the majority of player feedback

ZOS is not Zenimax, it's a branch of it much like Bethesda. Dark and light is not an MMO they removed that title from the genre, BDO was poorly optimized and ran like trash no matter the PC.

If you programmed you'd know if you fix one bug, you'll get a million more.

Also ESO runs on a heavy modified, dissected version of HE.

I did make a post in the past saying, the play any class, any race, any style is dead and you must plan ahead now.

DanaDark · April 2017

SilverWF wrote: »

I'm PM for some software company. And sh*t happens, yeah. But, if it is, then everything goes back to previous state (they did backups right? Did they?) and new patch goes to dedicated server for more testing.
Customer are always right. Dev's troubles are only dev's troubles and must not be curstomer's

That depends. You have inside scoop it is a development issue that is 100% solely related to software? And what sort of back ups do you KNOW they have? Do they back up the game state, the game version, the supporting software? Do they swap out hard drives on every server and store them or do they create images? If they create images, what software do they use and how are those images stored?

Did the hamster die? Did the intern spill coffee in a server again!?!?

My god. The HORROR. A few extra hours of downtime on a Monday due to an unforeseen issue. If my eyes could roll any faster, I'd strap magnets on them and wrap 'em in wire to power my state.

ohaphazardo · April 2017

8 Hours of UK daytime?
This is beyond a joke. The maintenance times need to be changed so that we in Europe don't ALWAYS get penalized.
I pay ESO for game time and I want money back for today.

As I cannot play I am going to work on my monumental opus #ESOTWYT, "ESO They Waste Your Time" (TM) where I calculate the true cost (to the paying customer) and profit (to those Steve-Jobs-wannabe-generation-me-control-freaks Zenimax) of every small time waste in the game:
Every ten second wait to log out
Every wait for a small clock to whizz round a fish while you are gutting fish for perfect Roe
Every invisible rock that stumbles you
The way your mount pauses after a jump
The 100 plus mobs that slow you rather than trying to kill you, (doncha just love cloud feet?)
Every NPC positioned in a major route to stop you in your tracks (Guard on path to Belkarth bank anyone)
Waiting for Writ notifications to appear on-screen (the writ is instantly in journal, why does it take seconds to appear os)
I am sure you can think of plenty more...

...but just think.

Every time you wait for Zenimax 7,000,000 (according to Zenimax) other people are waiting as well.
Once you have bought the game they charge you for game time, so every second they make you waste is money in their bank. This is what I hate about ESO so much, the fact that they deliberately put time-wasters in every where...

When crafting, ever clicked on an instruction book by mistake? #ESOTWYT
When crafting, ever clicked on a vendor by mistake? #ESOTWYT
When handing in writs, ever accidentally stolen anything? #ESOTWYT
When clicking on Guild Vendors ever missed and got something else? #ESOTWYT

I will do the serious sums during the next enforced daylight hours down time...

#POP

Sergun · April 2017

natchpotes seems horrible

Casterial · April 2017

DanaDark wrote: »

SilverWF wrote: »

I'm PM for some software company. And sh*t happens, yeah. But, if it is, then everything goes back to previous state (they did backups right? Did they?) and new patch goes to dedicated server for more testing.
Customer are always right. Dev's troubles are only dev's troubles and must not be curstomer's

That depends. You have inside scoop it is a development issue that is 100% solely related to software? And what sort of back ups do you KNOW they have? Do they back up the game state, the game version, the supporting software? Do they swap out hard drives on every server and store them or do they create images? If they create images, what software do they use and how are those images stored?

Did the hamster die? Did the intern spill coffee in a server again!?!?

My god. The HORROR. A few extra hours of downtime on a Monday due to an unforeseen issue. If my eyes could roll any faster, I'd strap magnets on them and wrap 'em in wire to power my state.

They most likely encountered the smaller DDoS that was happening over the weekend.

Sergun · April 2017

Sergun wrote: »

natchpotes seems horrible

cus they freight it self

Insandros · April 2017

ohaphazardo wrote: »

8 Hours of UK daytime?
This is beyond a joke. The maintenance times need to be changed so that we in Europe don't ALWAYS get penalized.
I pay ESO for game time and I want money back for today.

As I cannot play I am going to work on my monumental opus #ESOTWYT, "ESO They Waste Your Time" (TM) where I calculate the true cost (to the paying customer) and profit (to those Steve-Jobs-wannabe-generation-me-control-freaks Zenimax) of every small time waste in the game:
Every ten second wait to log out
Every wait for a small clock to whizz round a fish while you are gutting fish for perfect Roe
Every invisible rock that stumbles you
The way your mount pauses after a jump
The 100 plus mobs that slow you rather than trying to kill you, (doncha just love cloud feet?)
Every NPC positioned in a major route to stop you in your tracks (Guard on path to Belkarth bank anyone)
Waiting for Writ notifications to appear on-screen (the writ is instantly in journal, why does it take seconds to appear os)
I am sure you can think of plenty more...

...but just think.

Every time you wait for Zenimax 7,000,000 (according to Zenimax) other people are waiting as well.
Once you have bought the game they charge you for game time, so every second they make you waste is money in their bank. This is what I hate about ESO so much, the fact that they deliberately put time-wasters in every where...

When crafting, ever clicked on an instruction book by mistake? #ESOTWYT
When crafting, ever clicked on a vendor by mistake? #ESOTWYT
When handing in writs, ever accidentally stolen anything? #ESOTWYT
When clicking on Guild Vendors ever missed and got something else? #ESOTWYT

I will do the serious sums during the next enforced daylight hours down time...

#POP

Don't forget to add the 20 minutes you wasted to write this up, you've shorten your life of 5 years.. sue them :P

Geekgirl · April 2017

ProfesseurFreder wrote: »

Every morning first thing I feed my cats, make coffee, and then sit down for an hour (or so) of ESO.

Except this morning. It's more than somewhat pathetic that I don't know what to do with myself when my routine is interrupted. I'm STILL staring at the screen, coffee mug in hand, going "What? -- What?"

I am doing the above, but also laughing as I'm not doing it solo.

Tommy_The_Gun · April 2017

065d737d65f8abb86c2a8473f26451bc_still-waiting-memes-memesuper-still-waiting-meme_500-375.jpeg

phileunderx2 · April 2017

At work now so not being able to play is manageable. If still down when I get home, um not going to be good. May be forced to mow the yard or something.

karios525 · April 2017

Casterial wrote: »

karios525 wrote: »

Dude? Small team>? Seriously they bought bethesda when beth tried to buy out zeni, they ain't small just don't have a clue what made the ES games so special, being able to play any character you wanted, and use any skill you wanted, not forcing us into playing a class, thus restricting our playstyles. The engine isn't even theirs, so yeah they make good use of an engine not even designed for a game of this scope. Whilst I have really enjoyed ESO in the past it has burned me out twice, and every time I come back I find I have to rethink my builds cos of all the nerfing as they are unable to balance anything in the game. Graphically compared to BDO the upcoming MMO'S Bless online, Dark and Light, Pillars of Creation it is very very dated even the lighting is bland to put it bluntly, but I still come back more so because of the community and the guilds I run and belong to. The whole debate between all the nerfing due to pve vs pvp well solution isnt exactly rocket science, as pvp is instanced leave the cp system alone just have it disabled when entering cyro, re enable when you leave, sorted, forces pvp players to be more mindful of their gear like we pve players have to be. Btw bugs arent being fixed properly, every 'patch' just introduces new ones because they don't test properly and never take on board the majority of player feedback

ZOS is not Zenimax, it's a branch of it much like Bethesda. Dark and light is not an MMO they removed that title from the genre, BDO was poorly optimized and ran like trash no matter the PC.

If you programmed you'd know if you fix one bug, you'll get a million more.

Also ESO runs on a heavy modified, dissected version of HE.

I did make a post in the past saying, the play any class, any race, any style is dead and you must plan ahead now.

Totally wrong actually BDO runs ridiculously smoothly, never randomly auto logs me out either so way more stable, and dark and light is an mmo effectively just running on smaller servers hopefully with less issues than this one. Yeah you will get bugs no matter what but as there is very little testing done the amount of stuff which keeps getting broken is getting ridiculous. Still lazy for a game this rich on lore they should have built their own engine from scratch you must be either a zeni employee or a fan boi doesnt really matter as unless they step up their game the servers will return to being really under populated again within a couple of months after morrowind update just like it is at the moment. Well effectively as half the races will be useless with the 'nerf update' zeni deserve to lose a lot of players as they refuse to listen to their players, eso plus is already cancelled as I know within a couple of months after update will be dead again hopefully by which time conan exiles will be in a better early access to tinker with, and the farming with appalling unecessary traits is ridiculous, prosperous and training should be restricted to crafted and pre cp level equipment, as the same for impen which should be available to pvp sets only and on that note am done discussing this as am getting bored, am going back to edengrad

Cyrisus · April 2017

Casterial wrote: »

Sophieous wrote: »

Do you even pvp? Or pve? or anything with combat? or just ERP? All they release is new content that requires more money, meanwhile leaving bugs in game. Next patch if they dont change w**** wet dream, the combats gonna be completely ruined, classes are gonna be vanished. They know their playerbase is shrinking. And are trying their best to hide it.

And btw, its not esos launch period atm, its more than 2 years later.

There's no point in continuing this convo, we clearly have different opinion. You can be a programmer and eso sub all you want. Other people are too. Let's just end it here.

I'm one of the original players. I've been pvping since day one, one of the original duelers and tournament hosters on the NA server. I worked with Sypher theorycrafting before, and ran Legend in its prime. Don't ever try to assume anything, lol. Morrowind will be a new launch, expansions are another launch. It should end here, also I've just recently got into PVE after 3 years or however long it's been playing and I rather do enjoy it. I never RP I sit in cyrodiil all day until lately.

"NA" XDDD

Sergun · April 2017

Insandros wrote: »

ohaphazardo wrote: »

8 Hours of UK daytime?
This is beyond a joke. The maintenance times need to be changed so that we in Europe don't ALWAYS get penalized.
I pay ESO for game time and I want money back for today.

As I cannot play I am going to work on my monumental opus #ESOTWYT, "ESO They Waste Your Time" (TM) where I calculate the true cost (to the paying customer) and profit (to those Steve-Jobs-wannabe-generation-me-control-freaks Zenimax) of every small time waste in the game:
Every ten second wait to log out
Every wait for a small clock to whizz round a fish while you are gutting fish for perfect Roe
Every invisible rock that stumbles you
The way your mount pauses after a jump
The 100 plus mobs that slow you rather than trying to kill you, (doncha just love cloud feet?)
Every NPC positioned in a major route to stop you in your tracks (Guard on path to Belkarth bank anyone)
Waiting for Writ notifications to appear on-screen (the writ is instantly in journal, why does it take seconds to appear os)
I am sure you can think of plenty more...

...but just think.

Every time you wait for Zenimax 7,000,000 (according to Zenimax) other people are waiting as well.
Once you have bought the game they charge you for game time, so every second they make you waste is money in their bank. This is what I hate about ESO so much, the fact that they deliberately put time-wasters in every where...

When crafting, ever clicked on an instruction book by mistake? #ESOTWYT
When crafting, ever clicked on a vendor by mistake? #ESOTWYT
When handing in writs, ever accidentally stolen anything? #ESOTWYT
When clicking on Guild Vendors ever missed and got something else? #ESOTWYT

I will do the serious sums during the next enforced daylight hours down time...

#POP

Don't forget to add the 20 minutes you wasted to write this up, you've shorten your life of 5 years.. sue them :P

and days,days,days of maintenances

KingMagaw · April 2017

Casterial wrote: »

I know Zenimax is doing good. Small team

This is where me and you part ways. Zenimax is barely doing mediocre in my experience just keeping things ticking over since 'launch'.

Every achievement/DLC has been exploited, multiple times.

Every dungeon has been exploited.

Leader board scores constantly exploited.

PvP ranks and achievements/titles in game all exploited.

Closing 2 PvP servers and having no solution in place impacting the waiting queues to play other campaigns.

Having to queue for over 1hr to play IC most nights - which is sold as a DLC. I don't personally believe anyone should wait for 1 hour + to play any content, especially not a paid for DLC or a subscriber.

Simple base game items are still not stackable and impact on inventory. I spend a decent amount of time inventory managing my characters because i save items like penetrate maelstorms/Master items/impen pvp sets i want to try etc. I save these because the game is based around the worst RNG, so it makes no sense to deconstruct a Maelstorm Ice penetrate staff because i haven't got a Mage Character to use it yet.

Adding a massive amount of items and buffing vanilla sets over 3 years but doing nothing to address inventory in proportion to this increase. This was intentionally done, in my eyes, to force more people to subscribe for the craft bag, as playing ESO with an end game account is much hassle without it.

Making the warden clearly OP ~74k DPS to shamelessly sell Morrowind, with a nerf most likely coming 3/6 months requiring a class change to be current.

When Z0$ didn't take a serious stand on cheating and exploiting in ESO - it died as being competitive.

That is a random list off the top of my head. Z0$ charges a premium for rushed content that players pay to test and the feedback is rarely even taken seriously by Z0$. This is my opinion but the lsit above are all facts and specific examples can and will be given if required to newer players )