Give Templar a way to access Major Mending through a tactical choice, NOT 100% uptime. [POLL]
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The previous way Templars accessed Major Mending was too easy, agreed.
Removing their access to it entirely is nonsensical, irrational & infuriating. They ARE the HEALING CLASS.
It should be logical that the healing class should have access to the best healing buff in the game.
I support gating this access to an ability that doesn't have 100% uptime without doing anything. Like the DK change. This discussion is also completely ignoring the buff from RS line. This is a class design issue.
The change I propose to gain access to Major Mending is:
-Tie Major Mending to Healing RItual, an underused ability in favor of BoL. Casting, or completing, or whatever, should give Major Mending, and the Templar will have to actively maintain it AND because Healing Ritual is a channeled ability, they would make a calculated, TACTICAL, conscious choice to cast it instead of doing something else.
This seems the easiest, most logical and healthy choice that does not have 100% uptime, has drawbacks, but is ACCESSIBLE in a healing context and each templar will choose when it's appropriate to go for the buff. It would even make sense thematically ! You do a little prayer, swooshy wooshy tie your hands together, and bam you're better at mending people. Focus and so.
Edited by Muttsmutt on April 23, 2017 2:46PM Removing their access to it entirely is nonsensical, irrational & infuriating. They ARE the HEALING CLASS.
It should be logical that the healing class should have access to the best healing buff in the game.
I support gating this access to an ability that doesn't have 100% uptime without doing anything. Like the DK change. This discussion is also completely ignoring the buff from RS line. This is a class design issue.
The change I propose to gain access to Major Mending is:
-Tie Major Mending to Healing RItual, an underused ability in favor of BoL. Casting, or completing, or whatever, should give Major Mending, and the Templar will have to actively maintain it AND because Healing Ritual is a channeled ability, they would make a calculated, TACTICAL, conscious choice to cast it instead of doing something else.
This seems the easiest, most logical and healthy choice that does not have 100% uptime, has drawbacks, but is ACCESSIBLE in a healing context and each templar will choose when it's appropriate to go for the buff. It would even make sense thematically ! You do a little prayer, swooshy wooshy tie your hands together, and bam you're better at mending people. Focus and so.
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Give Templar a way to access Major Mending through a tactical choice, NOT 100% uptime. [POLL] 153 votes
Yes- Templars should have access to Major Mending
73%
113 votes
No- Templars should not have access to Major Mending
11%
18 votes
Yes- but I have a different suggestion for implementing it
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Drdeath20✭✭✭✭✭
✭It doesnt matter. Templars are gutted. Whats the point? Just run a sorc or find a better game.4 -
Muttsmutt✭✭✭✭✭Yes- Templars should have access to Major MendingIt doesnt matter. Templars are gutted. Whats the point? Just run a sorc or find a better game.
i don't want people sneering at me for running healplar and telling me "go get a DK healer, they have major mending and you don't"
it's maddening to think this could hit live without any way for templars to have access to this buff while the tanking class doesPC-EU // UNDEAD9 -
DeadlyRecluse✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Yes- but I have a different suggestion for implementing itI love the idea of a tactical choice. Like maybe a ground placed buff that you have to stand in.Thrice Empress, Forever Scrub15 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Yes- but I have a different suggestion for implementing itThe tactical choice is already there in the current templar. That is, you limit your mobility somewhat having to stand in your extended ritual or channeled focus most of the time. I think templar's access to major mending is just fine as is. If other classes feel they need major mending, then how about giving them access to it via their own skill line or even via a resto staff change.
My healer is built to be a healer. She will never have impressive tanking or dps. And she pays a price to be a devoted healer. Removing her major mending makes the price she pays too high to remain a devoted healer and drives me toward a dps magsorc. After the shininess wears off those who try warden, I predict the shortage of healers will become worse. And we already know there are too many healers, right?PC NA(no Steam), PvE, mostly solo5 -
Llaren_Uvayn✭✭✭Yes- Templars should have access to Major MendingI've always felt it was weird to have a skill like Healing Ritual and not ever using it because it's just not viable. Giving that skill a sick perk might make it viable. But if there's another way to allow Templars to get Major Mending, that'd be good too. It is strange to lose access to the buff altogether.PS4 / EU
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✭✭✭✭✭I understand they want it tougher to get, but perhaps they should just start with the 4 second spill-over when you leave the circle.
Get rid of that first so the Templar MUST be standing in a circle rather than deleting the buff altogether.
ZoS is so ham-handed sometimes with nerfs, this latest patch being the epitome of that trait.3 -
ofSunhold✭✭✭✭✭Yes- but I have a different suggestion for implementing itDeadlyRecluse wrote: »I love the idea of a tactical choice. Like maybe a ground placed buff that you have to stand in.
What a great idea!
Healing Ritual ah hahahahahaha
Well OP at least your idea is better than all the stuff ZOS has thrown at that garbage ability.AcadianPaladin wrote: »My healer is built to be a healer. She will never have impressive tanking or dps. And she pays a price to be a devoted healer. Removing her major mending makes the price she pays too high to remain a devoted healer and drives me toward a dps magsorc. After the shininess wears off those who try warden, I predict the shortage of healers will become worse. And we already know there are too many healers, right?
Amen and hallelujah. I'll play my magsorc and actually have some fun, thanks very much. After running a few dungeons on the PTS, I sincerely hope the new crop of Wardens like their healing skills, because I am done, and once these changes go live I don't think that's going to be an unusual response.
Edited by ofSunhold on April 23, 2017 4:30PMClasses that don't need any class ability nerfs: Nightblades, Dragonknights, Sorcs, Templars, Wardens.2 -
D0ntevenL1ft✭✭✭✭✭Yes- but I have a different suggestion for implementing itAcadianPaladin wrote: »The tactical choice is already there in the current templar. That is, you limit your mobility somewhat having to stand in your extended ritual or channeled focus most of the time. I think templar's access to major mending is just fine as is. If other classes feel they need major mending, then how about giving them access to it via their own skill line or even via a resto staff change.
My healer is built to be a healer. She will never have impressive tanking or dps. And she pays a price to be a devoted healer. Removing her major mending makes the price she pays too high to remain a devoted healer and drives me toward a dps magsorc. After the shininess wears off those who try warden, I predict the shortage of healers will become worse. And we already know there are too many healers, right?
Nailed it. Its already tactical. Although everyone seems to only be talking about magplars, and if any of these suggested changes go through they're completely neglecting the stamplar who also needs access to this buff; after all a stamplar is also a templar isn't it?2 -
Muttsmutt✭✭✭✭✭Yes- Templars should have access to Major MendingDeadlyRecluse wrote: »I love the idea of a tactical choice. Like maybe a ground placed buff that you have to stand in.
it's not hard to recast it, you sacrifice nothing by standing in it. you go out, you recast it, it's up again. the uptime is pretty much 100% because of the lingering buff but even if they removed that, it would still have a very high uptime.
of course i'd love this too but i'm suggesting from the pov that ZOS has, which is limiting access to the buff. i want this to MAKE it to live, so i'm not asking for the moon.
but by the looks of it not even the gated limited and much less than 100% uptime idea seems likely to ZOS.PC-EU // UNDEAD0 -
Azurulia✭✭✭Yes- Templars should have access to Major MendingAnother option would be to tie it into the Rune Focus line due to it's smaller radius.
Increase the cost and shortening the duration of how long major mending lasts upon leaving the ring, or replace Minor Vitality and Minor Protection in Restoring Focus in exchange for Major Mending.
This would require the templar to position themselves in a more tactical manner if they wish to keep the buff maintained while avoiding hazards and during pvp situations (especially with the impending changes to their healing abilities.)Criminal Scum:
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Muttsmutt✭✭✭✭✭Yes- Templars should have access to Major Mendingis it possible to summon ZOS eyes here?
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✭✭✭✭✭Yes- but I have a different suggestion for implementing itDeadlyRecluse wrote: »I love the idea of a tactical choice. Like maybe a ground placed buff that you have to stand in.
This? Just remove effect immediately when not in the area... Also note your Healing skill values, just in case ZoS would give templars major mending back just to lower their base heal values..."We are currently investigating connection issues some players are having on the European megaservers. We will update as new information becomes available."
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FlyLionel✭✭✭✭Yes- Templars should have access to Major MendingMake it so that you only get it when you stand in rune focus, extended ritual is huge and I doubt Zos would want to go in that direction. They want major mending nerfed across the board and harder to obtain? Okay put it in that super small rune than. In both pve/pvp you are always moving so it is more tactical.The Flyers0 -
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✭✭Yes- Templars should have access to Major MendingIt doesnt matter. Templars are gutted. Whats the point? Just run a sorc or find a better game.
Hey people can offer constructive feedback. While I agree with most changes on the PTS it's clear that Templar players are upset. I mean not everyone is going full Deltia on this but I firmly believe there is a way to have everyone feel happy with their class before we reach Morrowind's launch."Your mistake is you begged for your life, not for mercy. I will show you there are many fates worse than death."
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✭✭✭Yes- but I have a different suggestion for implementing itFirst @Muttsmutt on this:
"It should be logical that the healing class should have access to the best healing buff in the game."
there is no healing class.
However, i agree that having templars with access to major mend should remain a possibility. They currently have that by using a resto staff along with every other class.
but if it were up to me, every class except one would have some in-class access to some mending (some get minor with broad scope easy to get and uptime, others with major but less of those functionals) but have them triggered differently and have them affect different capabilities - not just all healing.
One class could have it affect only their HoT while another could have it only impact their burst heals.
One class could have it only affect healing on others and only if they were at less than 50% health.
etc.
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flizomica✭✭✭✭✭Yes- Templars should have access to Major MendingRaiding on pts as a temp healer doesn't really feel that bad honestly. Just had to swap around my build a bit in favor of more regen.
I agree that it doesn't make any logical sense however, much the same way that shards/orbs sharing the same synergy doesn't make sense.
Resto staff may as well not have major mending as a result of a heavy attack because if you need/want to take the time to finish a heavy attack, people might die. And it's a super short buff to boot.0 -
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✭✭✭✭I wont join bandwagon of QQ that templar have to use more than one button to stay alive now, however idea about Healing Ritual make sense. It should be buffed in some way coz noone using and noone will use this useless skill. Healing Springs 109500 times better than Ritual.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Yes- but I have a different suggestion for implementing itTemplar has good access to major mending which improves healing. Sorc and some other classes have good access to major sorcery which improves healing (and damage). Hmmm... balance? If you take my major mending, at least give me major sorcery so my healing is as good as a sorc? Or give sorcs major mending but take away their major sorcery - see the problem?PC NA(no Steam), PvE, mostly solo2 -
RadRzRg✭✭✭Yes- Templars should have access to Major Mending13% voted no but none gave a reason for their pick. Seems to me that we found ourselves the NB community of the game...LvL50 Stamina Templar(EP)
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✭Yes- but I have a different suggestion for implementing itI don't think Major Mending should be tied to an ability that is only worth using as magicka in group situations - the ones who suffer most from this nerf are the Stamplars not the Magplars.
Just make it so that if you stand in Rune Focus or Purify and heal a target below 50 % you get Major Mending for like 4 seconds. This will still be worse than the Warden access to Major Mending which just requires healing a target below 50 %, in that we have to stand in our "house" as Wrobel put it.3 -
RadRzRg✭✭✭Yes- Templars should have access to Major MendingI don't think Major Mending should be tied to an ability that is only worth using as magicka in group situations - the ones who suffer most from this nerf are the Stamplars not the Magplars.
Just make it so that if you stand in Rune Focus or Purify and heal a target below 50 % you get Major Mending for like 4 seconds. This will still be worse than the Warden access to Major Mending which just requires healing a target below 50 %, in that we have to stand in our "house" as Wrobel put it.
I frankly think that adding a new class 3 years after release is a very bad idea. Balance will be nowhere to be found, and if ZoS can't predict how powerful 1 skill such as the destro ulti is,imagine what will happen with 18 new skills and their 36 morphsLvL50 Stamina Templar(EP)
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✭✭✭✭Yes- but I have a different suggestion for implementing itI cringe every time I see the healing ritual suggestion. I'd just rather not have the buff honestly.
I'd rather see them add it to rune focus but only while you are in the circle.V16 Uriel Stormblessed EP Magicka Templar(main)
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✭Yes- but I have a different suggestion for implementing itI don't think Major Mending should be tied to an ability that is only worth using as magicka in group situations - the ones who suffer most from this nerf are the Stamplars not the Magplars.
Just make it so that if you stand in Rune Focus or Purify and heal a target below 50 % you get Major Mending for like 4 seconds. This will still be worse than the Warden access to Major Mending which just requires healing a target below 50 %, in that we have to stand in our "house" as Wrobel put it.
I frankly think that adding a new class 3 years after release is a very bad idea. Balance will be nowhere to be found, and if ZoS can't predict how powerful 1 skill such as the destro ulti is,imagine what will happen with 18 new skills and their 36 morphs
I am sorry but I don't see how your point relates to my proposal, am I missing something?0 -
RadRzRg✭✭✭Yes- Templars should have access to Major MendingI don't think Major Mending should be tied to an ability that is only worth using as magicka in group situations - the ones who suffer most from this nerf are the Stamplars not the Magplars.
Just make it so that if you stand in Rune Focus or Purify and heal a target below 50 % you get Major Mending for like 4 seconds. This will still be worse than the Warden access to Major Mending which just requires healing a target below 50 %, in that we have to stand in our "house" as Wrobel put it.
I frankly think that adding a new class 3 years after release is a very bad idea. Balance will be nowhere to be found, and if ZoS can't predict how powerful 1 skill such as the destro ulti is,imagine what will happen with 18 new skills and their 36 morphs
I am sorry but I don't see how your point relates to my proposal, am I missing something?
Oh I made that statement because you mentioned the warden. I was trying to explain(clearly in a very poor manner), that we wouldn't be having this discussion if it wasn't for that crappy new class^^LvL50 Stamina Templar(EP)
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Majeure✭✭✭✭Yes- but I have a different suggestion for implementing itHealing Ritual is a joke, forcing templars to run and then activate this excuse of a skill just to get Major Mending would be worse than trading Major for Minor Mending.0
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Muttsmutt✭✭✭✭✭Yes- Templars should have access to Major MendingHealing Ritual is a joke, forcing templars to run and then activate this excuse of a skill just to get Major Mending would be worse than trading Major for Minor Mending.
healing ritual is like bol but weaker and slower : ) in the time you cast it you could cast bol multiple times and get the same/better result
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✭✭✭Yes- but I have a different suggestion for implementing itAcadianPaladin wrote: »Templar has good access to major mending which improves healing. Sorc and some other classes have good access to major sorcery which improves healing (and damage). Hmmm... balance? If you take my major mending, at least give me major sorcery so my healing is as good as a sorc? Or give sorcs major mending but take away their major sorcery - see the problem?
Ok so did i fall asleep or dont templars still have access to major sorc and major proph just like everybody else does thru the mages guild lines entropy and inner light?
if they do still have it then, well... there you go.
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Muttsmutt✭✭✭✭✭Yes- Templars should have access to Major MendingAcadianPaladin wrote: »Templar has good access to major mending which improves healing. Sorc and some other classes have good access to major sorcery which improves healing (and damage). Hmmm... balance? If you take my major mending, at least give me major sorcery so my healing is as good as a sorc? Or give sorcs major mending but take away their major sorcery - see the problem?
Ok so did i fall asleep or dont templars still have access to major sorc and major proph just like everybody else does thru the mages guild lines entropy and inner light?
if they do still have it then, well... there you go.
this is a discussion independent of other skill lines, the same argument can be made "but you have access to major mending from the RS skil lline"!. no. just no.
we are ignoring that for the sake of a class design discussion. this is not only about what templars can do now they're hospitalized. this is a discussion of why were they left with a mangled leg and necrotized arm.PC-EU // UNDEAD0