PvE discussion: Why do so many prefer to be Damage Dealers?

RANKK7 · April 2017

As many others I like to play solo even if not exclusively, so the choice, simple as that.

Avidspark · April 2017

As it takes skill and thought to make a decent Tank or Healer, ofc there will always be more DPS (or DD as you seem to like calling them) than there will be others.

It's just the easiest build to make.

Bringer · April 2017

Good players typically start out their mmo careers as some kind of support role. At least thats how it used to be when grouping was important to do basic progression. They would think "X classes are needed" and roll one. People who did not have this apparent realization just played DPS. But then, moving forward, what happens is the bad players finally get sick of nobody wanting to group with them, and so they roll tanks or healers, and play them badly. Likewise, the good players, always being the tank or healer, never really see their bad counterparts, but they do see bad dps, an awful lot of them, and so they think "i should be a dps i guess, things only ever go badly when the dps are morons", and roll dps. And thus the roles flip. The key to a good group is then having the new tanks and healers grouping with the old dps.

Of course these days of solo questgrind progression this may no longer hold true. Its how it used to be, in my experience.

colig · April 2017

Easiest role to get started in, and the most difficult to truly get right. I suspect the more casual players are happy enough seeing big numbers on screen rather than gauging their true effectiveness on a target dummy.

Nord_Templar · April 2017

Zyrudin wrote: »

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Everything is very simple.
Armor and defense is weak, in this game it does not matter at all.
The unit of Health is small, everything is invested in Stamina (thugs) or Manu (mages).

And that means - you have 20,000 health (if you ate before the fight). When you are attacked by 2 enemies out of invisibility, the first 3 attacks are critical, which means - you get guaranteed 20,000 damage.

So cheaters earn in PvP points. Since Zenimax does not fight with cheating in PvP, I do not play PvP. I have seen many times how the Veteran Level 600 died within 3 seconds. PvP is a bloodbath, without rules.

And in PvE you can choose the style of the game, you do not have to be DD. In PvE monster has 10 times more health than you. And even if you attack first of invisibility, you take away only 25% of Health from him. And then there is just an exchange of blows (they are almost equal, Zenimaks takes care of this - the "balance of complexity"), and who has better protection and health regeneration - he will survive.

yashualaydin · April 2017

Solo DD is funnier. I used to be tank and the final boss fighting were so long and boooooring.

Epona222 · April 2017

For me, personally I find myself soloing a lot doing questing - and ESO is at its core a questing-based game - and being dps is generally better/quicker for quest content. So if you start the game as a solo quester, you're more or less pushed along that route (I have tried questing with a tank build, but it's fairly bloomin' tedious tbh). Then it's just a case of what you're used to.

Sakiri · April 2017

The shortage in tanks is in group finder.

Tanks and healers don't want to pug. For reasons I mentioned earlier.

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO · April 2017

Nord_Templar wrote: »

Zyrudin wrote: »

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Everything is very simple.
Armor and defense is weak, in this game it does not matter at all.
The unit of Health is small, everything is invested in Stamina (thugs) or Manu (mages).

And that means - you have 20,000 health (if you ate before the fight). When you are attacked by 2 enemies out of invisibility, the first 3 attacks are critical, which means - you get guaranteed 20,000 damage.

So cheaters earn in PvP points. Since Zenimax does not fight with cheating in PvP, I do not play PvP. I have seen many times how the Veteran Level 600 died within 3 seconds. PvP is a bloodbath, without rules.

And in PvE you can choose the style of the game, you do not have to be DD.

Is English your first language? I have read most of your comments and they all sound like they where written by someone from the 1800s in Germany and then ran through Google translate. I am genuinely curious.

ziggy29 · April 2017

In the MMOs I played, tanks and healers are usually blamed for wipes. And when you are with a random grouping of people you don't know and haven't run with, more likely to be subjected to abuse from it by others in the group.

Zyrudin · April 2017

Brockahly wrote: »

I actually prefer a support role as a healer or a tank, in fact I played a dk tank for a long time before I made my first DD, and that was a mag sorc that I used mainly in PVP. I eventually made a stam sorc and used that, mainly because as a tank it was so very frustrating tanking a boss for more than 15 minutes because the DD simply didn't have enough DPS to burn down the boss or deal with the adds. I went on to make another magicka Templar DD which I maxed and then left to make an argonian Templar healer which I actually used more than the Templar DD. So to answer your question I chose to DPS, because I get sick and tired of other not having enough DPS whilst I'm in a support role.

Yes, a lot of Damage Dealers are average but behave as if they are supreme and carry the groups they're in. They show no consideration for their group members nor for other roles. I have been finding that a lot of Damage Dealers are too shortsighted and narrow-minded about group tactics that are actually basic and fairly obvious.

I get it that a good chunk of Damage Dealers, like yourself, saw that problem and decided to save yourself the grief by becoming a Damage Dealer yourself. However, in terms of numbers, I think it only worsens the situation. A shift in mindset, tutorials or the like, may be required, perhaps?

Goshua · April 2017

Prefer dps because I get to just worry about myself.

I feels the bads if people perish when I'm healing or tanking unless they're not avoiding obvious damage in the first place. I had years of doing that in Cyrodiil so I'm desensitised to that kind of behaviour lol

zaria · April 2017

Dracane wrote: »

It's because, being a basic damage dealer is the easiest thing to do. It's simple and allows you to be kind of lazy and not care for anything.

Though I think being a good DD, is much harder than being a healer or tank. in fact, I think tanking is the easiest. I personally refuse being a DD, even though everyone wants me to do it. I don't like being forced to perform a perfect rotation and keep all my things up perfectly. I want to be lazy

Yes, has thought of making an healer setup for my sorcerer but this will not happen before Morrowind.
Most interested in warden as an ranged focused stamina build, something who it looks like finally will work.
The circle has turned 360 degree, healed a lot on sorc after launch but that stopped working well.

Nord_Templar · April 2017

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

Less than a minute passed, and "persons" have already come running, who begins to give personal assessments. Your reaction shows that I'm right. No. I am not English. I'm from Mars.
And Zenimaks pay very little attention to the balance of complexity and the nuances of the game.The game resembles a a carnival of freaks, the atmosphere of a magical game is lost. If the reality of the game is antiquity (Rome, Empire), why do the Goths walk in the costumes of the Baroque?

FloppyTouch · April 2017

I use to be a tank but got sick of horrible dps making dungeons take forever so I switch bc nothing is worst then then holding a boss while dps light attack it to death.

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO · April 2017

Nord_Templar wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

Less than a minute passed, and "persons" have already come running, who begins to give personal assessments. Your reaction shows that I'm right. No. I am not English. I'm from Mars.
And Zenimaks pay very little attention to the balance of complexity and the nuances of the game.The game resembles a a carnival of freaks, the atmosphere of a magical game is lost. If the reality of the game is antiquity (Rome, Empire), why do the Goths walk in the costumes of the Baroque?

You are amazing. I am simply curious, no need to be offended man.

I also have no idea what you are talking about with the whole goths and baroque, I am pretty sure that noone else does either.

I am just worried that you somehow missed the point of writing stuff on this forum, that is to convey ideas and the way you feel about them, it is unfortunate that you are either not a native English speaker or that you have never been taught that no one will care what you say unless you say it in a way they can understand. This is the biggest problem I see with the way you choose to represent yourself on this site.

Brockahly · April 2017

Zyrudin wrote: »

Brockahly wrote: »

I actually prefer a support role as a healer or a tank, in fact I played a dk tank for a long time before I made my first DD, and that was a mag sorc that I used mainly in PVP. I eventually made a stam sorc and used that, mainly because as a tank it was so very frustrating tanking a boss for more than 15 minutes because the DD simply didn't have enough DPS to burn down the boss or deal with the adds. I went on to make another magicka Templar DD which I maxed and then left to make an argonian Templar healer which I actually used more than the Templar DD. So to answer your question I chose to DPS, because I get sick and tired of other not having enough DPS whilst I'm in a support role.

Yes, a lot of Damage Dealers are average but behave as if they are supreme and carry the groups they're in. They show no consideration for their group members nor for other roles. I have been finding that a lot of Damage Dealers are too shortsighted and narrow-minded about group tactics that are actually basic and fairly obvious.

I get it that a good chunk of Damage Dealers, like yourself, saw that problem and decided to save yourself the grief by becoming a Damage Dealer yourself. However, in terms of numbers, I think it only worsens the situation. A shift in mindset, tutorials or the like, may be required, perhaps?

I'm not going to lecture a dps and tell him how to do his job because it really isn't difficult, get a good rotation, don't stand in red circles, KILL the boss and the one thing few dps realise is IF SOMEONE DIES YOU PICK THEM UP, not the person holding the boss off you, or the person keeping you alive. Don't even get me started on the group finder, I haven't been able to do a hard mode vet dungeon in so long simply because whenever I try a support role the other roles simply can't keep up. Just recently I did vet icp, actually I'll rephrase, I queued in for vet icp and that first mob you fight, the 3 trash mobs and the one big one took us FIVE minutes to do, and only died because me as a healer started spamming radiant destruction.

Goshua · April 2017

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

Nord_Templar wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

Less than a minute passed, and "persons" have already come running, who begins to give personal assessments. Your reaction shows that I'm right. No. I am not English. I'm from Mars.
And Zenimaks pay very little attention to the balance of complexity and the nuances of the game.The game resembles a a carnival of freaks, the atmosphere of a magical game is lost. If the reality of the game is antiquity (Rome, Empire), why do the Goths walk in the costumes of the Baroque?

You are amazing. I am simply curious, no need to be offended man.

I also have no idea what you are talking about with the whole goths and baroque, I am pretty sure that noone else does either.

I am just worried that you somehow missed the point of writing stuff on this forum, that is to convey ideas and the way you feel about them, it is unfortunate that you are either not a native English speaker or that you have never been taught that no one will care what you say unless you say it in a way they can understand. This is the biggest problem I see with the way you choose to represent yourself on this site.

Hes means if the focus of the game is about Alliance wars and territory control ala Rome : Domination/Empire
Why are dressed up posers and powdering our noses - Baroque.
The answer to that is that after the main quest the AvAvA thing dissapears outside the pvp ring a rosey in Cryodiil.

Nord_Templar · April 2017

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

This is the biggest problem I see with the way you choose to represent yourself on this site.

I'll tell you more. When my compatriots write here in their own language, Zenimaks closes these topics. They offered to create in this Forum the opportunity to write in their own language, in a special section. Zenimax ignores this.

Cadbury · April 2017

Most have already gave some good answers.

Goshua wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

Nord_Templar wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

Less than a minute passed, and "persons" have already come running, who begins to give personal assessments. Your reaction shows that I'm right. No. I am not English. I'm from Mars.
And Zenimaks pay very little attention to the balance of complexity and the nuances of the game.The game resembles a a carnival of freaks, the atmosphere of a magical game is lost. If the reality of the game is antiquity (Rome, Empire), why do the Goths walk in the costumes of the Baroque?

You are amazing. I am simply curious, no need to be offended man.

I also have no idea what you are talking about with the whole goths and baroque, I am pretty sure that noone else does either.

I am just worried that you somehow missed the point of writing stuff on this forum, that is to convey ideas and the way you feel about them, it is unfortunate that you are either not a native English speaker or that you have never been taught that no one will care what you say unless you say it in a way they can understand. This is the biggest problem I see with the way you choose to represent yourself on this site.

Hes means if the focus of the game is about Alliance wars and territory control ala Rome : Domination/Empire
Why are dressed up posers and powdering our noses - Baroque.
The answer to that is that after the main quest the AvAvA thing dissapears outside the pvp ring a rosey in Cryodiil.

I'm giving you the job of Official Forum Translator.

Congratulations, and enjoy your promotion

SilverWF · April 2017

Zyrudin wrote: »

Now, I know that several group content mechanics can be bypassed with high enough DPS and that other mechanics include a DPS check. However, Damage Dealers rely more heavily on proper Tanking than most of them would like to admit, to lead the enemies into their AoE's, to turn them away from their position to save them dodge time, etc. They also rely on competent Healers to keep them buffed and with enough HOT's for them to focus on one task. So why so few Tanks and Healers?

Did you ever tried to level a tank? I mean: really level him up and gear up?
at my tank I was afraid of monster already at 30 lvl! Not because they can kill me, but because I would kill them eternally!
Also, some pledges don't need a tank at all and some encounters are forces you to NOT be a tank (i.e. Infernal in the White-Gold tower).

Leveling a healer is MUCH better (big magicka pool, spell crits etc - works for DPS and healing both), but in the dungeons they do the hardest work and biggest part of success is on them. And most of players didn't even understand that. They do think "OMG, I'm so cool funny heavy-attacks stamina 2h-weilder, we did it only because of me, thank God this World has me!"

What is leveling or just playing on DD? Came to public dungeon, cleared it up solo in minutes, gone away. Big numbers, tons of kills, no brainfk at all - just steamrolling everything. You don't need to store and switch gear and skills depending on situations (dd gear for solo-roaming and tank/heal gear for pledges), you are always nearly the same.

People would ALWAYS choose the easiest way.

Nord_Templar wrote: »

If the reality of the game is antiquity (Rome, Empire), why do the Goths walk in the costumes of the Baroque?

Say thanks there is still no Panda costumes or pink ponies...

Visigoth · April 2017

OP:
To me it simply boils down to DMG=Go Faster...
Try Solo leveling with anything besides DPS... (Leveling as a pure Healer... I don't think so, Leveling as a Pure Tank... no way.)
ESO's system rewards doing more damage with a quicker experience. (and just about everyone starts out solo, even if just until they get comfortable/familiar with ESO.)

Nord_Templar · April 2017

Cadbury wrote: »

I'm giving you the job of Official Forum Translator.

The image of the European goth-vampire ala Dracula generally looks idiotic, in a game with reality in the style of the Golden Age of Antiquity

Brockahly · April 2017

Visigoth wrote: »

OP:
To me it simply boils down to DMG=Go Faster...
Try Solo leveling with anything besides DPS... (Leveling as a pure Healer... I don't think so, Leveling as a Pure Tank... no way.)
ESO's system rewards doing more damage with a quicker experience. (and just about everyone starts out solo, even if just until they get comfortable/familiar with ESO.)

Level your tank as a mag/stam DK(whatever tank class you chose)
And level your healer as a mag dps, and simply respec later. My main character is a tank which I played for a long time as a new person would play, it wasn't till someone told me how to play I respecced as a tank, as for my healer I grinding as a magicka Templar dps and simply reset skills and changed gear once I reached level 50.

Norakai · April 2017

I for myself will never ever again use the Dungeon finder with a tank again. The chances of getting crappy DDs is way to high and its just annoying to tank for ppl who fight through a dungeon in 40 - 50 minutes, dying in every red circle, while you could run through there in just 15 minutes with your guild mates.

So if there are no friends available i will just use my templar as a heal, if i see the group doesnt do any dmg i can still provide dps by myself.

So many people have different chars with different roles, if you join a guild as an DPS you will find people to play with way better then try harding in random groups.

Wizball1987 · April 2017

I dont know really but i does give me a smile when i nuke some down really fast..its like putting a picture of ur boss on a dart board

i do play as tank and healer too though and is rewarding when u suceed as a group.

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO · April 2017

Goshua wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

Nord_Templar wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

Less than a minute passed, and "persons" have already come running, who begins to give personal assessments. Your reaction shows that I'm right. No. I am not English. I'm from Mars.
And Zenimaks pay very little attention to the balance of complexity and the nuances of the game.The game resembles a a carnival of freaks, the atmosphere of a magical game is lost. If the reality of the game is antiquity (Rome, Empire), why do the Goths walk in the costumes of the Baroque?

You are amazing. I am simply curious, no need to be offended man.

I also have no idea what you are talking about with the whole goths and baroque, I am pretty sure that noone else does either.

I am just worried that you somehow missed the point of writing stuff on this forum, that is to convey ideas and the way you feel about them, it is unfortunate that you are either not a native English speaker or that you have never been taught that no one will care what you say unless you say it in a way they can understand. This is the biggest problem I see with the way you choose to represent yourself on this site.

Hes means if the focus of the game is about Alliance wars and territory control ala Rome : Domination/Empire
Why are dressed up posers and powdering our noses - Baroque.
The answer to that is that after the main quest the AvAvA thing dissapears outside the pvp ring a rosey in Cryodiil.

I still do not understand, the game in PvP is to kill the other player, everything else, IE the keep capture system is just an excuse to do this. What about bringing up Romans and baroque, something that I had to Google to understand, help convey his/her idea of balance.

Nord_Templar wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

This is the biggest problem I see with the way you choose to represent yourself on this site.

I'll tell you more. When my compatriots write here in their own language, Zenimaks closes these topics. They offered to create in this Forum the opportunity to write in their own language, in a special section. Zenimax ignores this.

See, now if you just told me you were from India or somewhere that wasn't a native English speaking area, I would be more understanding but you went on this kick that you were from Mars. So

Zyrudin · April 2017

SilverWF wrote: »

Did you ever tried to level a tank? I mean: really level him up and gear up?
at my tank I was afraid of monster already at 30 lvl! Not because they can kill me, but because I would kill them eternally!
Also, some pledges don't need a tank at all and some encounters are forces you to NOT be a tank (i.e. Infernal in the White-Gold tower).

Leveling a healer is MUCH better (big magicka pool, spell crits etc - works for DPS and healing both), but in the dungeons they do the hardest work and biggest part of success is on them. And most of players didn't even understand that. They do think "OMG, I'm so cool funny heavy-attacks stamina 2h-weilder, we did it only because of me, thank God this World has me!"

What is leveling or just playing on DD? Came to public dungeon, cleared it up solo in minutes, gone away. Big numbers, tons of kills, no brainfk at all - just steamrolling everything. You don't need to store and switch gear and skills depending on situations (dd gear for solo-roaming and tank/heal gear for pledges), you are always nearly the same.

People would ALWAYS choose the easiest way.

Yes, I have. I have three tanks with different specs.

SilverWF · April 2017

Zyrudin wrote: »

Yes, I have. I have three tanks with different specs.

So why you do even asking?

Zyrudin · April 2017

SilverWF wrote: »

Zyrudin wrote: »

Yes, I have. I have three tanks with different specs.

So why you do even asking?

Well, in the original post I did not ask if it was easy or hard to level up a tank spec'ed as such, but for opinions on why the ratio between DD's and Tank or Healers is so unbalanced.

I do know that it can be boring if you level support roles with their role spec, so I let you know that I have three tanks, that's all. There are alternatives, like spec'ing one way just to level up and then do a respec when at CP level.