Why are you quitting, cancelling sub/morrowind, on the fence?

DragonBound · April 2017

Brockahly wrote: »

Because I spend most of my time at work, I'm more of a casual gamer, so I like to get things easier, I like easier gameplay where I don't have to put hours upon hours of effort in to be good. With the sustain nerfs, and the nerf to one of my favourite classes(Templar) I just don't have to time to find ways around the nerfs, my easier style game play being taken away, and the fact all my previous hard work grinding up multiple characters for multiple dungeon/trial roles will now become obsolete because of the nerfs and again I just don't have to time. Overall after reading those patch notes I've actually stopped playing every day, it's killed my will to play because everything I've worked for so far is just going to obsolete.

Have you considred guild wars 2? It is awesome for casual play I play it on the side mostly for pvp.

Calandrae · April 2017

Class Passives/Skill Nerfs

I am considering taking a break (not calling it quitting, yet) because of the general direction the game seems to be taking.

Instead of being creative and nuanced in fixing the problems with balance, resource management etc the developers seem to use a sledge-hammer and just pound too many things to the ground. To me that screams like a lazy and way too heavy-handed way to do things, I'm sorry. I know nothing about game design, but I do know that if I chose to correct mistakes in that manner either in my job or even personal life, it would be the wrong choice.

"My" class (Templar) is really taking a beating if this patch stays as it is. I've invested a lot of time and effort into my characters, and taking this huge a hit is discouraging enough to make me seriously consider quitting instead of just moving to another class to play with. If ESO was the only thing in my life, then sure - why not start all over again. But (unfortunately or fortunately??) it's not. So even if I was willing to just abandon my 3-year-old main character and switch over, it's not really possible. I could just continue questing, trading, collecting achievements etc and stop raiding, I guess, but I would always feel the void of the things I used to enjoy. Starting all over in another game might be less daunting and depressing than to be constantly reminded of the things "lost".

I don't want to play a game where the original classes are made redundant and nerfed to Oblivion and back. I have already felt really bad for NBs. Instead of making that class more viable and developing the others with respect to their unique abilities, ZoS is just expanding that trashing treatment to other classes as well.

I realize I sound very emotional in my response. Either blame it on my gender

- or maybe the main thing I want to get from a hobby is just that - emotions, positive ones. And if and when ESO stops providing those, it might be time to move on.

The general mood in my guilds and among my in-game-friends has turned suspicious and disappointed. The change in atmosphere is very real, so this is not only about people complaining at forums. The majority of players seem to think ZoS has chosen the wrong approach to handle things.

Beruge · April 2017

Other: Please Explain

I have been a relatively big spender on this game. I was hyped about getting morrowind. But then some pictures started floating on the boards about the cp adjustment - so i decided to wait with the preorder of the big pack i was gonna buy.

So i told my whole group to wait aswell, because of these pictures.

So we waited and finally natch potes arrived.

And the mother of sledgehammer and blanket nerfs hit.

I simply do not wish to grind myself back to where i am, but at an ever slower pace then i have been going on.

Some of the balances are justified. Most are not.

So these natch potes has torn our group apart. Most are gonna quit on the day of morrowind release. The ones planning on continue will stop the sub to see how bad this update will be - and then possibly quit. Wich is highly likely because of the impact this will have on our groups social aspect(been playing together for 2 years).

The way the devs want to take this game seems to be to make you work back to were you were or lower than you were, and it has been a trend.

I really loved this game, and all it has given. But the lack of imagination from the devs is horrendous so i will throw my money at something else than this game.

silky_soft · April 2017

Other: Please Explain

Been here since beta, have had a short break before b2p. Been a good run I reckon. Soon as they said marrawond wasnt going to on eso we dropped both our subs. My gf has since quit with the *** update that was housing, continual nerf to stam and the new dk passive nerf. Soon as gt sport is out so am I. Only here for the people and the hope that one day wroble will be fired. You can thank me later for that block nerf lol.

Jim_Pipp · April 2017

General Frustration with Grind/Long Existing Bugs etc

I could adjust to the blanket nerfs, but I am too burnt out with regular grinding to do it. I found that I was planning what I would be grinding a few weeks in advance, and that is too much like work.

My sub runs out next weekend, so I am currently grinding out crafting writs and collecting surveys to fill my crafting bag, so even though I want a break I still feel I have to grind things.

I'm not cancelling my pre-order, it may be fun to play a totally new character. I will probably come back for update 15 (the one after morrowind) when the gear cap will have raised so I can deal with the mechanics change and to grind for all new gear at the same time.

lunalitetempler · April 2017

Other: Please Explain

Can I have all your stuff?

DragonBound · April 2017

lunalitetempler wrote: »

Can I have all your stuff?

You do realize that this insult effects no one and this is why most of these can I have your stuff comments are ignored don't you?

Vapirko · April 2017

notimetocare wrote: »

NecroEnzo wrote: »

notimetocare wrote: »

Vapirko wrote: »

notimetocare wrote: »

Graydon wrote: »

Where is the "I'm not quitting option?"

Doesnt exist. This is a complainer poll

Lol. Not at all a complainer poll. Im genuinely interested to know why people are frustrated overall because I think a lot of people are simply angry because everyone seems to be angry. Like I said, for me I only have an issue because of how its going to affect my corner of the PvP universe. Everything else Im fine with. Im trying to get people to sift through their sand pile of anger and figure out if theres really even that much reason to be. Also why would their be an option to say "not quitting" in a poll asking why people are quitting? Im not quitting, is not a why to this question.

For balance. And also because it would be 70% of the votes lol

There's an other option where you can protest the protesters, clever person you.

Sadly, looks like your prediction is off, "All of the above" is smoking every other option. All the OP did was take a look at the reasons people are upset on the forum, and do what the developers should do: Take a poll, and identify the core issues the consumers are having with their game.

If you're not upset with the changes/status quo, why are you upset with the people who are upset? Don't you have some amazing, and enriching, gameplay to get back to? Did you come to share stories of your adventures in the game that followed Skyrim, and fell so short of everyone's expectations?

Because if you came to troll, there's so much heat on the forums right now, even trolls are getting wrecked.

kyle.wilson wrote: »

Mail me your stuff when you quit.

Did you forget? My full Divines BSW/Ilambris gear is BOP, and the only stuff you'll want in the next expansion.

Because there was no true 'no' option. Look at all the other quitting polls. The quitters lose to stayers about 3:1

Because this poll is not designed to see who is quitting vs staying. I fully realize more people will continue to pay and stay. Otherwise ZOS would indeed change its tune pretty quickly. If you even took the time to read the post or even really the title you would see that the purpose is to see where the distribution lays in terms of people who are quitting/canceling or staying around but not renewing anything atm.

Izaki · April 2017

Other: Please Explain

I'm just waiting cause its only the 1st PTS patch notes, there's still like a month and a half til Morrowind releases.

Turelus · April 2017

Other: Please Explain

Not leaving.

I got my rage quit out the way last year, now I am just playing the game and enjoying it for what it is. Life is too short to be stressed and upset over a video game, there are literally thousands more to go and play if I ever really dislike this one.

Also I completed the Sweetroll Killer from Dark Brotherhood this weekend and now... (story spoiler)

I want that second kiss from Naryu, BRING ON MORROWIND!

Sakiri · April 2017

Other: Please Explain

Waiting to see if I haven't lost interest by the time it releases, though I'm pretty hyped for warden.

kargen27 · April 2017

Graydon wrote: »

Where is the "I'm not quitting option?"

The way I understood it we were all going to quit en masse and go skipping hand in hand into the past and play Pong. Was I misinformed?

Casterial · April 2017

This will probably be locked. Quiting threads often are.

I've been here since long before launch, I may take breaks, but no MMO may compare usually in keeping me entertained. The nerfs I feel aren't bad, I lived through the 1.5 to 1.6 change, and from the VR16 to CP change, you can live through anything. I lived through launch. I did not quit. So stop whining, get better and play the game, or quit.. Don't announce it to us.

The_Art_of_Paw · April 2017

Other: Please Explain

My sub ran out and I didn't renew it is all. I am still staying though, its a good game. I only used the sub for the craft bag and I seem to get by ok without it. Just a personal thing against subscriptions is all, I will still end up paying quite a bit on the non sub items.

NecroEnzo · April 2017

All of the Above

notimetocare wrote: »

Because there was no true 'no' option. Look at all the other quitting polls. The quitters lose to stayers about 3:1

Lies. Borderline personality disorder is exhibited when someone generalizes in the face of absolute fact. You called this a quitting poll, you're losing in it; regardless of if you want to fault your own creativity and that of those that would rally to your cause, fault the thread by calling it a quitting poll when it isn't, or want to claim that all the other quit posts from the past 3 days favor stayers when they don't, you still lose.

The bottom line is that a significant number of people are cheesed about the state of the game, and the direction it's going. Enough to boycott to a degree it would seem. Nothing you say will change that, and your username betrays your actions.

Calandrae · April 2017

Class Passives/Skill Nerfs

lunalitetempler wrote: »

Can I have all your stuff?

You show about the same amount of imagination and originality as the patch notes in question.

So no, you most certainly can't have my stuff. If I was to give it to someone it would be a friend or some other pleasant seeming person.

There are several well thought-out and explained answers in this thread about why people might consider quitting/taking a break/cancelling their subs and pre-orders. Your input though is pretty pathetic.

This thread is not about announcing anyone is quitting. People are allowed to discuss their reasons if they consider doing that.

Casterial · April 2017

NecroEnzo wrote: »

The bottom line is that a significant number of people are cheesed about the state of the game, and the direction it's going. Enough to boycott to a degree it would seem. Nothing you say will change that, and your username betrays your actions.

Cries for boycotting again? What, by streamers? ahah! They were not even big until 1.6+ The game is thriving, huge and lively. Every game released nerfs, buffs, and changes. Hell ESO lived through launch while FF did not. You see? ESO will be around, its currently... #4 on mmorpg? People can quit, thats a small dent in the millions (with 250-500thousand online at once). The bottom line is, mostly PVPers are quitting, despite this not being the worst change. You're most likely newer if you're quitting due to this... A lot of people went through changes:

New combat system
New Stat system
New skills
Removal of skills, replacement with worst
changes on all gear
VR ranking system to CP
Launch of ESO
1.5 -> 1.6
1.6 -> IC

AnnieBeGood · April 2017

I am not quitting .... or cancelling. I preordered and am excited for the 6th June.

I will have a new character or two, and it will be fun playing them. The grind does not really exist in my mind, they got to learn their trade. It is the damned horse training that is the awful thing to consider.

And getting to level 50 and BINGO you are vet, but with half your skills levelled, most of the lore books yet to find and skill points to get.... not too keen on that either. At least with the original vet levels you did not suddenly appear to be a master of your character.... you had to put the time in to teach yourself all about the skills they use.

Cadbury · April 2017

Turelus wrote: »

Not leaving.

I got my rage quit out the way last year, now I am just playing the game and enjoying it for what it is. Life is too short to be stressed and upset over a video game, there are literally thousands more to go and play if I ever really dislike this one.

All of my video game rage was expended on City of Heroes, when they announced its closure. It was until a week before it shutdown that I finally just laughed it off and moved on.

F7sus4 · April 2017

Other: Please Explain

I'm not cancelling anything.

rudimentxb14_ESO · April 2017

Other: Please Explain

I don't plan to go anywhere.

NecroEnzo · April 2017

All of the Above

Casterial wrote: »

NecroEnzo wrote: »

The bottom line is that a significant number of people are cheesed about the state of the game, and the direction it's going. Enough to boycott to a degree it would seem. Nothing you say will change that, and your username betrays your actions.

You're most likely newer if you're quitting due to this...

Bluff failed. I know this game, know how dungeon finder has NEVER worked, how it's better to get a group in zone, how this game crashed repeatedly at launch, and how masochists that hung on for whatever reason like you existed throughout the time I came and went from this mismanaged disaster.

I'll admit, TES is one of the best story universes out there; everything else just seems too greek, alien, or contemporary. That doesn't justify cloning social games for people with gambling addictions, and it doesn't keep everyone happy/on the hook.

Where are you getting your claim that ESO is the #4 MMORPG? GamesRadar? Get real dude, they ranked DCUO and that game never truly recovered. Also, so what? I bet Zenimax would risk funding the game even if it fell behind; we'd just finally see an end to Wrobel. It's still a TES game, and you're ranking it among MMORPGs, of which there are how many with the megacorp financing to stay in business?

Even World of Warcraft, which stopped releasing subscriber numbers, has less than 2 million players on regularly (http://www.warcraftrealms.com/census.php).

Only masochistic people like you are still regularly playing these clones; the rest of us come and go, tearing it up, leaving ashes in our wake, and dropping a deuce right before we go about how miserable it is that this online loot casino/no pvper left behind trend continues.

Don't worry, I'll be back, and I won't pay a dime for it. Finally, I didn't cry for a boycott, I noticed people ARE preparing to boycott.

XDragonDoomX · April 2017

So

Much

Salt

Casterial · April 2017

NecroEnzo wrote: »

Casterial wrote: »

NecroEnzo wrote: »

The bottom line is that a significant number of people are cheesed about the state of the game, and the direction it's going. Enough to boycott to a degree it would seem. Nothing you say will change that, and your username betrays your actions.

You're most likely newer if you're quitting due to this...

Bluff failed. I know this game, know how dungeon finder has NEVER worked, how it's better to get a group in zone, how this game crashed repeatedly at launch, and how masochists that hung on for whatever reason like you existed throughout the time I came and went from this mismanaged disaster.

I'll admit, TES is one of the best story universes out there; everything else just seems too greek, alien, or contemporary. That doesn't justify cloning social games for people with gambling addictions, and it doesn't keep everyone happy/on the hook.

Where are you getting your claim that ESO is the #4 MMORPG? GamesRadar? Get real dude, they ranked DCUO and that game never truly recovered. Also, so what? I bet Zenimax would risk funding the game even if it fell behind; we'd just finally see an end to Wrobel. It's still a TES game, and you're ranking it among MMORPGs, of which there are how many with the megacorp financing to stay in business?

Even World of Warcraft, which stopped releasing subscriber numbers, has less than 2 million players on regularly (http://www.warcraftrealms.com/census.php).

Only masochistic people like you are still regularly playing these clones; the rest of us come and go, tearing it up, leaving ashes in our wake, and dropping a deuce right before we go about how miserable it is that this online loot casino/no pvper left behind trend continues.

Don't worry, I'll be back, and I won't pay a dime for it. Finally, I didn't cry for a boycott, I noticed people ARE preparing to boycott
.

Spoilered it, too long.

I quit every other month man. But mainly because of work / school, however in the time of quitting I have played many, many different games. But then I always find myself back to ESO. At Launch I quit for 3months due to school / move, came back slightly better. Every time I come back its like a new experience, I even add newbs to get their first experience it feels good.

ESO is 8.32, GW2 is 8.58, WOW is like 7.30 or something rather low. ESO has made a huge turn around. All I really hope is that ZOS listens more actually plays the game. Which is why players should just apply for jobs and turn their game around. (they have a huge hiring list currently)

Players will continue to complain, but ZOS has turned it around and even told people Cyrodiil is a warzone, not a 1v1, 1v2, 2v2, etc zone. Its a 100+v100+(like really 20+) war zone. BGs will balance out the game, they will have to balance around them more to keep players going. WOW did not have BG / Arenas for quite sometime, and then when they released them they balanced around them. So, yes, take a break and give it time, or live through it. Or PVE like me!

Casterial · April 2017

XDragonDoomX wrote: »

So

Much

Salt

There really is, but the meme post are my favorite.

Sakiri · April 2017

Other: Please Explain

NecroEnzo wrote: »

Casterial wrote: »

NecroEnzo wrote: »

The bottom line is that a significant number of people are cheesed about the state of the game, and the direction it's going. Enough to boycott to a degree it would seem. Nothing you say will change that, and your username betrays your actions.

You're most likely newer if you're quitting due to this...

Bluff failed. I know this game, know how dungeon finder has NEVER worked, how it's better to get a group in zone, how this game crashed repeatedly at launch, and how masochists that hung on for whatever reason like you existed throughout the time I came and went from this mismanaged disaster.

I'll admit, TES is one of the best story universes out there; everything else just seems too greek, alien, or contemporary. That doesn't justify cloning social games for people with gambling addictions, and it doesn't keep everyone happy/on the hook.

Where are you getting your claim that ESO is the #4 MMORPG? GamesRadar? Get real dude, they ranked DCUO and that game never truly recovered. Also, so what? I bet Zenimax would risk funding the game even if it fell behind; we'd just finally see an end to Wrobel. It's still a TES game, and you're ranking it among MMORPGs, of which there are how many with the megacorp financing to stay in business?

Even World of Warcraft, which stopped releasing subscriber numbers, has less than 2 million players on regularly (http://www.warcraftrealms.com/census.php).

Only masochistic people like you are still regularly playing these clones; the rest of us come and go, tearing it up, leaving ashes in our wake, and dropping a deuce right before we go about how miserable it is that this online loot casino/no pvper left behind trend continues.

Don't worry, I'll be back, and I won't pay a dime for it. Finally, I didn't cry for a boycott, I noticed people ARE preparing to boycott.

I wouldn't recommend using warcraft census as an accurate subscriber number count.

Requires an addon that most folks don't use. You can get a better look by checking revenue figures. They *do* release those.

NecroEnzo · April 2017

All of the Above

I doubt your numbers unless you're referring to server accounts. People actively playing at one time is what matters, and why these clones all favor the rng loot system to keep bodies flowing through content for people to group with who don't have an online social group.

Arena killed WoW PvP. It put classes under a microscope and led to the current disaster, and ESO is on it's way there already with the battle spirit debuff.

You made my point completely by divulging your reasons for playing, and leaving. You aren't someone who pushes the limits of game-play, not someone who seeks the ultimate challenge and ultimate victory. Of course none of their decisions matter to folks like you; I won't generalize casuals/hardcores, because I can RP too. There comes a time when I want greater conflicts, and with stupid Wrobel proc sets, stupid Wrobel CP, and stupid Wrobel nerfs, I gotta hit the road, and so are a lot of others. Saying we don't matter is like me saying you don't matter.

It just ain't true. We all finance this game and help ZoS keep the lights on, but when they ignore our efforts? As for jobs, I consider some of the retorts to the patch notes so sweeping that I won't bother refining my points, and worthy of paid Q/A, but given for free by people who want the game to succeed. This thread sums up the major issues that appear to have reached a critical mass.

Then we get folks coming in calling doom and gloom/quitters and making claims that everything's fine.

Clearly, it's not for some people.

Casterial · April 2017

NecroEnzo wrote: »

You made my point completely by divulging your reasons for playing, and leaving. You aren't someone who pushes the limits of game-play, not someone who seeks the ultimate challenge and ultimate victory. Of course none of their decisions matter to folks like you; I won't generalize casuals/hardcores, because I can RP too. There comes a time when I want that, and with stupid Wrobel proc sets, stupid Wrobel CP, and stupid Wrobel nerfs, I gotta hit the road, and so are a lot of others. Saying we don't matter is like me saying you don't matter.

Hey man I got my emperor title, watched all my friends quit or get ban, and called my PVP days recently lol. I purposely have an alt just for PVP, and my main for PVE(once just PVP) now. I led Legend, I even watched devs watch our duels. I've done everything on PVP side imaginable, from being a newb, to hosting multi-hundred-thousand funded tournaments lol.

ESO is not focusing on the general, not by class until recently.

Ozstryker · April 2017

Other: Please Explain

No intention of quitting here... personally I'm looking forward to the direction of these changes, and.. I don't think it's gunna end with this expansion!
I absolutely believe the direction is to even out the meta mentality that has become rife in ESO, for example dd's will need to control their resources, instead of relying on the meta healer providing resources, maybe controversialy reducing dps, but making it more inline with game mechanics, tanks are gunna need to take more control of blocking vs how much they can dd..... I won't get into templar healers right now!!
ZoS have been brave in implementing these changes ( although still subject to change). going forward... id rather see it play out than have a strop and quit?!

NecroEnzo · April 2017

All of the Above

Casterial wrote: »

Hey man I got my emperor title, watched all my friends quit or get ban, and called my PVP days recently lol. I purposely have an alt just for PVP, and my main for PVE(once just PVP) now. I led Legend, I even watched devs watch our duels. I've done everything on PVP side imaginable, from being a newb, to hosting multi-hundred-thousand funded tournaments lol.

ESO is not focusing on the general, not by class until recently.

And that focus brings us to our thread here, where we're discussing that the focus is so bad, that many of us (most by the poll of who have taken it) are on the fence about buying the xpac.

So what are you doing? Trolling, or here to tell us there will still be a bar, it'll just be lower and more based on procs?