Syrabane/Seducer or Desert Rose and a Monster Set..

NBrookus wrote: »

For an aggressive tanky dps melee playstyle, Bloodspawn/Seducer/Bloodthorn. 5 heavy +1+1, tri-food, all spell damage enchants. Fully buffed you hit over 2800 spell damage while at capped resists and can still functionally permablock. You can probably run blue food with it if you prefer, or use witchmothers while you get used to the regen hit in no CP.

Desert Rose theoretically gives better magicka regen, but 1.5 million AP spent and I still don't have a second shield... and the first one is well-fitted. So I haven't tried it.

Bloodthorn is underrated. It's cheap to get and the stam return is very useful for DKs. It's more reliable than Syrabane, IMO, plus Syrabane doesn't give you stam.

There is also Magicka Furnace, never tried it but looks good on paper..

apostate9 wrote: »

I like Grothdar+Rattlecage+Martial Knowledge. Playing with it now, lotta fun.

For non-cp campaign? Lol how quick are you out of resources once you get hit by a increased cost poison?

SneaK wrote: »

NBrookus wrote: »

For an aggressive tanky dps melee playstyle, Bloodspawn/Seducer/Bloodthorn. 5 heavy +1+1, tri-food, all spell damage enchants. Fully buffed you hit over 2800 spell damage while at capped resists and can still functionally permablock. You can probably run blue food with it if you prefer, or use witchmothers while you get used to the regen hit in no CP.

Desert Rose theoretically gives better magicka regen, but 1.5 million AP spent and I still don't have a second shield... and the first one is well-fitted. So I haven't tried it.

Bloodthorn is underrated. It's cheap to get and the stam return is very useful for DKs. It's more reliable than Syrabane, IMO, plus Syrabane doesn't give you stam.

There is also Magicka Furnace, never tried it but looks good on paper..

I farmed it; never got around to trying it. You have to run at least 40k magicka for the 5 piece to be worthwhile, and what DK has that much magicka in no CP?

@Quickline Let me introduce you to: http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildEditor
Put your builds on paper before buying/farming and trying them. Anything with an RNG to proc still has to be tested in the field, but you can weed out stuff that just won't work.

I googled bloodthorn and I dont really understand what "direct damage" means? No dots? Just the first hit when I cast the dot?
So whip = direct damage, burning embers = only the first hit, talons = only the first hit?

Whip, embers, talons, fossilize, deep breath, basically. Also the light/heavy attacks you weave in. Volatile armor doesn't proc it. I'm not sure about engulfing flames. It only procs every 5 seconds, so as long as you are attacking people, it's pretty reliable without having to worry about exactly what skills you are casting.

OTOH, if you go on full defense, it won't work, unlike sets that give resources based on getting hit. So like I said, it suits an aggressive playstyle. If you see a stack of players and just have to dunk them, this might be the set for you.

I haven't tried Wyrd Tree in no CP land. It was kinda "meh" for me -- good but not better than my old CP setup -- but given how OP poisons and siege are in no CP it might shine brighter there.

Bloodspawn + thunderbug + syrabane

Extra sustain vs mag (more wings)
Proc damage vs Stam
Sustain from bloodspawn

Maybe? This is a theorycrafting thread after all.

I like 5 Black Rose, 5 Desert Rose, and 2 Grothdar. The sustain is really good. I can afford all spell damage glyphs on jewelry because it's easy to run with low regen.

Reefo wrote: »

Bloodspawn + thunderbug + syrabane

Extra sustain vs mag (more wings)
Proc damage vs Stam
Sustain from bloodspawn

Maybe? This is a theorycrafting thread after all.

Did thunderbug for a while as part of a full aoe build. You can do better; it doesn't do much damage. It mostly just annoys stam sorcs.

Lexxypwns wrote: »

iseko wrote: »

5 seducer, 5 alteration, bloodspawn. double s&b

5HA 2LA. Full spell dmg on glyphs. Atro mundus.

Rotate tripots and ulti for sustain. Then just the skills... Its a pain to choose but something alobg the lines off:
Flame lash, engulfing, fossilize, structured entropy, mist and leap

Cdb, inhale, talons, igneous shield, reactive armor, bats.

You could switch something out for burning embers/wings. Personal preference.

Imo, major prophecy and thief are both basically required for no-CP pvp. Without the native crit bonus from CP you'll lack burst damage otherwise. Just my opinion though.

Yes and no. The biggest problem I have is againdt shield stackers. Crit does not help at all there.

Secondly, a lot of people (not all like in cp campaign) have at least 500 impen even in azura. Reducing that crit dmg by a fair amount.

Crit is handy for heals though but not for increased dmg (imho). Again, mostly with shield stackers in mind.

Thirdly, even with 2 sustain sets like seducer and alteration sustain a mDK in 5 HA is a pain in azura. That extra regen from atro helps a lot.

I always try and do the math and then test it out in pvp how it feels. The atro feels better when im fighting compared to thief.

This is specific for in azura though.

Edit: bloodthorn never seemed that advantageous to me but I never tried it. The fifth piece only gives the equivalent of 200 regen and only when hitting someone with direct dmg. Could be wrong though. Like I said never tried it.

Quickline wrote: »

Btw, is heavy armor dead for magicka dks? How hard will the nerf hit us?

I'm going to say yes, I think it was a 42% nerf to constitution. I'm still going to run the same set up (seducer/BSW/skoria) but going to switch to light armor. May even use alteration mastery over seducer

IzakiBrotherSs wrote: »

Tava's + Blood Spawn... I think.

I never liked Tavas for pvp, don't have space for shuffle need them skills slot