If i did with 5 piece heavy armor/two-handed weapon nord magicka dragonknight. You can too.

Well, Elite players have not done anything other than grind many hours to get the best sets and also improving their builds. They have not cheated or anything, its just a *huge* investment of time and dedication to develop and know your character and how to play it in such a challenge as vMA.
The percent of players doing it flawless 10 out of ten.. trust me, is not very high, and of course that is not a justification for the nerfs, all the nerfs come from very different reasons other than vMA.
Im not an elite player, i don't have the perfect gear, the way I play is not a justification for any nerfs, but i have cleared vMA many times. As I said, it's a matter of time and practice.

After the nex expansion..? well, the resource management is gonna be harder, and to adecuate your build you will lose DPS, and not a little bit. The problem is that ZOS has not adecuated the difficult of the game in general to this new resource system. So yeah, it will become harder.

Hopefully they will adecuate it by moderating the difficult level..? don't know. We actually dont really know what changes will go to the live servers yet.

its just mechanics and knowing your rotation! You'll be fine, its impossible at first, but becomes easy enough to do while drunk after your first few clears.

If I did it drunk, naked, and with a mag dk, you can too my friend.

Kneighbors wrote: »

I was actually waiting for vMA to be nerfed or rewards system changed.

Instead of that I got all of my characters nerfed.

Instead of trying to complete the challenge, you waited for it to get easier. Have you tried trying, rather than complain and wait?

I've invested about 20 hours on my first clear. About 2 hours per boss and I was doing 1 or 2 Stages per day. I've went through god knows how many potions. I've spent about a quater of my total time in vMA on the final boss. Now I'm doing 570k scores on average and doing the whole thing in under 40 minutes. You can't expect to clear vMA without putting in the time.

What makes you think you should be able to pass through end game content without any effort?

You're sustain is being nerfed but dmg should go up.

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

IzakiBrotherSs wrote: »

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

To be honest with you, OP...? Slim to none. Although, anything is possible. And, I would not let that drive you away from taking a shot at it. Always shoot for the moon. That way if you miss, you're still amongst the stars.

That's a load of crap. Sustain changes? Sure. vMA isn't about sustain, its about doing damage so that mobs don't have time to kill you.

@IzakiBrotherSs What? VMA isn't about sustain? What? WTF? Umm... How did you arrive to that bold claim? How is it not about sustaining? You have to sustain in order to do any type of damage, as well as block/dodge. If you have no resources, you can't do damage. If you can't do damage, things don't die. If things don't die, then you will eventually die. I don't know if you make that claim, because you're running Stam in VMA or something. As with Stam builds in VMA, you pretty much don't have to worry too much (if using Vicious). But to say that you don't have to worry about sustain? What? Are you using some cheeky heavy attack build?

No I'm using my exact trial setup on my magicka sorc, with power surge instead of daedric prey. My only sustain is the destro passive and harness magicka. I'm also using the Scamp which is bloody expensive in resources. I never run out of resources. Point is, if you kill things fast enough (aka have enough damage) you'll make use of the destro passive quicker thus refunding the cost of your force pulse and your DoTs, and while the next wave spawns, your measly 800 regen will easily recover your magicka (because regen is doubled out of combat). The longer you are in combat, the less regen you have, the less regen you have the more chances you have to die. All of that can be bypassed by doing damage.

Subversus wrote: »

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_BrianWheeler but mostly @Wrobel

Look at what your changes do to new and/or casual players

Casual players would never in a million years set foot in VMA.

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

IzakiBrotherSs wrote: »

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

IzakiBrotherSs wrote: »

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

To be honest with you, OP...? Slim to none. Although, anything is possible. And, I would not let that drive you away from taking a shot at it. Always shoot for the moon. That way if you miss, you're still amongst the stars.

That's a load of crap. Sustain changes? Sure. vMA isn't about sustain, its about doing damage so that mobs don't have time to kill you.

@IzakiBrotherSs What? VMA isn't about sustain? What? WTF? Umm... How did you arrive to that bold claim? How is it not about sustaining? You have to sustain in order to do any type of damage, as well as block/dodge. If you have no resources, you can't do damage. If you can't do damage, things don't die. If things don't die, then you will eventually die. I don't know if you make that claim, because you're running Stam in VMA or something. As with Stam builds in VMA, you pretty much don't have to worry too much (if using Vicious). But to say that you don't have to worry about sustain? What? Are you using some cheeky heavy attack build?

No I'm using my exact trial setup on my magicka sorc, with power surge instead of daedric prey. My only sustain is the destro passive and harness magicka. I'm also using the Scamp which is bloody expensive in resources. I never run out of resources. Point is, if you kill things fast enough (aka have enough damage) you'll make use of the destro passive quicker thus refunding the cost of your force pulse and your DoTs, and while the next wave spawns, your measly 800 regen will easily recover your magicka (because regen is doubled out of combat). The longer you are in combat, the less regen you have, the less regen you have the more chances you have to die. All of that can be bypassed by doing damage.

In the hundreds of times I've done VMA (upon all classes by the way), I've never viewed things from that angle. I've even completed VMA using some obscure and bizzare builds as well. Got so bored with VMA, that for a brief period I attempted doing it on my MagPlar with no weapons. I'm not even joking. Got to Stage 5, before things "got real", and I realized it isn't possible. But anyway, I see what you mean when you put it the way you do.

But then again, you said you're running a MagSorc. Pets make everything easier. I came to this realization a long time ago, when I first created my Sorc back in the day. I've been a PetSorc main for years. But, what if by a chance OP or someone is attempting it with a stamina build, or MagPlar or MagDK? I won't mention MagBlade, because their sustain is incredible (in my opinion). It's not as easy. Even to this day, if I do VMA w/ MagPlar, I use Seducer. If I do it on MagDK, I run BSW and all that jazz, but I go through pots like crazy.

I personally heavy attacked all the portals since my first vMA try. That's also great for sustain. You see it doesn't really matter how your sustain is during the round, as long as you can sustain the whole round. Then you have about 10 seconds of doubled recovery (make sure to use a potion at that point if its up). That's 5 ticks of double regen. Most of the time now, I'm going for scores so I'm pumping pots all the time (and cause I've got over 7k of them...)
On MagDK your heavy attacks deal 40% more damage so that's a huge advantage when starting a round or between waves. No matter how Battle Roar was nerfed, its still basically a second potion. On a Templar, you have the huge advantage of an AoE magickasteal as well as channeled focus (and heavy attacks).

I mean people used to run vMA with Kena procced all the time. Its no longer the "meta" to wear Kena, because there are simply better options (Grothdarr, even on Sorc). That was a 33% cost increase. This patch is relatively the same in cost increase and sustain. If you can run vMA with Kena perma-procced, you can do it next patch. And trust me, having Kena perma procced isn't that terrible to sustain, cause you can take advantage of "kill to sustain" even faster. Next patch you won't have Kena, but you'll have new CP for damage. Just sayin.

Brrrofski wrote: »

Why should you do it without investing time?

I know far from elite players that did it because they spent time doing it. It's not THAT hard. You need a decent build (not even BiS) and just learn the mechanics.

If you can't do it so far, you'll have no chance next patch. Get in there now and get it done.

I used somewhere between 300-400 soul gems for my first clear. Mostly it was down to I had no idea what the mechanics were.

My only regret is I didn't get a sharpened weapon to tease the perfect farmers with.