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Out of the box fix for Vampirism?
TheDoomsdayMonster
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Let me start out as saying that I love Vampirism in this game; I love the look, the lore behind it, some of the abilities/passives are really good, and the gear itself is pretty good from a statistical standpoint...
That said, some of the abilities need some work (I stated some of this in a previous post, but will repost some of it here):
Baleful Mist doesnt do enough damage...
Neither morph of Batswarm does enough damage...
The utility provided by Accelerating Drain doesnt make a significant difference in combat...
Now Invigorating Drain and Elusive Mist are fine as is...
Anyway, I am thinking a possible buff to Vampiric abilities (without going too far overboard and making it OP) would be too take away the Vampiric Ability Spell Cost Reduction from the 5th gear piece bonus of the Vampire Lord gear set, and replace it with a 1-2 second duration buff for all Vampiric abilities...
This would give Batswarm morphs and Baleful Mist a little more kick...
This would make Elusive Mist, Invigorating Drain, and Accelerating Drain a bit more powerful without them being OP...
The only disclaimer is that you'd have to equip the Vampire Lord gear set to get that bonus...
End result, Vampiric abilities would get a needed buff, and the Vampire Lord gear set would be a bit more valuable...
What do you guys think?
That said, some of the abilities need some work (I stated some of this in a previous post, but will repost some of it here):
Baleful Mist doesnt do enough damage...
Neither morph of Batswarm does enough damage...
The utility provided by Accelerating Drain doesnt make a significant difference in combat...
Now Invigorating Drain and Elusive Mist are fine as is...
Anyway, I am thinking a possible buff to Vampiric abilities (without going too far overboard and making it OP) would be too take away the Vampiric Ability Spell Cost Reduction from the 5th gear piece bonus of the Vampire Lord gear set, and replace it with a 1-2 second duration buff for all Vampiric abilities...
This would give Batswarm morphs and Baleful Mist a little more kick...
This would make Elusive Mist, Invigorating Drain, and Accelerating Drain a bit more powerful without them being OP...
The only disclaimer is that you'd have to equip the Vampire Lord gear set to get that bonus...
End result, Vampiric abilities would get a needed buff, and the Vampire Lord gear set would be a bit more valuable...
What do you guys think?
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starkerealm✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Devouring Swarm is already one of the best ultimates in the game.
Baleful Mist could use a serious upgrade though, you're right about that.2 -
TheDoomsdayMonster✭✭✭✭✭starkerealm wrote: »Devouring Swarm is already one of the best ultimates in the game.
Baleful Mist could use a serious upgrade though, you're right about that.
Why do you feel Devouring Swarm is one of the best Ultimates?
IMHO it isnt bad, but its not great either...
Yes, it heals you...
Yes, its centered on you...
But it just doesnt hit that hard, and combined with its duration and area of effect, its not an ideal killing tool against good players...
Thats just me though; why do you feel its really good?
Edited by TheDoomsdayMonster on April 22, 2017 6:41AMUnyeilding Bias
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TheDoomsdayMonster✭✭✭✭✭There's vampire gear?
So the legend says... ;,,,;
Its rumored that the stats it provides are pretty good; some of the vampiric abilities arent good enough to do it justice however...Unyeilding Bias
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✭TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »Devouring Swarm is already one of the best ultimates in the game.
Baleful Mist could use a serious upgrade though, you're right about that.
Why do you feel Devouring Swarm is one of the best Ultimates?
IMHO it isnt bad, but its not great either...
Yes, it heals you...
Yes, its centered on you...
But it just doesnt hit that hard, and combined with its duration and area of effect, its not an ideal killing tool against good players...
Thats just me though; why do you feel its really good?
Because that's not what it's for, it's amazing for surviving against larger odds and giving you space to damage with other spells. If it hit the same damage levels as other ultimates that didn't heal you and weren't mobile with the player, there would be no reason to use the spells lacking in utility.
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TheDoomsdayMonster✭✭✭✭✭KochDerDamonen wrote: »TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »Devouring Swarm is already one of the best ultimates in the game.
Baleful Mist could use a serious upgrade though, you're right about that.
Why do you feel Devouring Swarm is one of the best Ultimates?
IMHO it isnt bad, but its not great either...
Yes, it heals you...
Yes, its centered on you...
But it just doesnt hit that hard, and combined with its duration and area of effect, its not an ideal killing tool against good players...
Thats just me though; why do you feel its really good?
Because that's not what it's for, it's amazing for surviving against larger odds and giving you space to damage with other spells. If it hit the same damage levels as other ultimates that didn't heal you and weren't mobile with the player, there would be no reason to use the spells lacking in utility.
While I agree with you that it clearly isnt designed exclusively with killing in mind (it does heal afterall), it still is a bit lacking in the dps department; I mean 2 uses of puncturing sweeps beats this Ultimate out in the dps department (and does so in a shorter period of time), and sweeps adds a status effect on top of that...
I just think a buff to the duration of the swarm or a direct buff to its damage would make it a bit more desirable; linking the buff to the Vampire Lord gear would be a good way to go about it IMO...
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✭What is it with all these vampire threads? It's already fairly great there are far more pressing issues.1 -
TheDoomsdayMonster✭✭✭✭✭WalksonGraves wrote: »What is it with all these vampire threads? It's already fairly great there are far more pressing issues.
There are alot of Vampires out there that only have Vampirism for its passives and maybe Elusive Mist and/or Batswarm...
Thats a sure sign that Vampirism needs a bit of work...
Edited by TheDoomsdayMonster on April 22, 2017 7:17AMUnyeilding Bias
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✭Bring back the old extra fire damage done to vampires! There are so many running around in PvP now it is getting crazy lol
Do that and you can have the buffs you seek imo.0 -
TheDoomsdayMonster✭✭✭✭✭Bring back the old extra fire damage done to vampires! There are so many running around in PvP now it is getting crazy lol
Do that and you can have the buffs you seek imo.
Well we do have a -25% weakness to fire as a result of being Vampires...
Combined with our tenuous health regen, isnt that enough?
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WalksonGraves✭✭✭✭✭
✭If you aren't using invigorating drain you're doing it wrong. It's a cancelable 3 second stun that heals between 60-100%. Makes every other self heal look like a joke and is by far the best ult generator.1 -
TheDoomsdayMonster✭✭✭✭✭WalksonGraves wrote: »If you aren't using invigorating drain you're doing it wrong. It's a cancelable 3 second stun that heals between 60-100%. Makes every other self heal look like a joke and is by far the best ult generator.
Of course I use Invigorating Drain; I love the ability and its a permanent fixture on my dps bar...
But Invigorating Drain isnt the only Vampiric ability around; some of the other abilities could use some work...
Edited by TheDoomsdayMonster on April 22, 2017 7:21AMUnyeilding Bias
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Well when devouring swarm is out just apply another aoe or combine it with others me and my guild bat nuke pvp and even trials.TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »Devouring Swarm is already one of the best ultimates in the game.
Baleful Mist could use a serious upgrade though, you're right about that.
Why do you feel Devouring Swarm is one of the best Ultimates?
IMHO it isnt bad, but its not great either...
Yes, it heals you...
Yes, its centered on you...
But it just doesnt hit that hard, and combined with its duration and area of effect, its not an ideal killing tool against good players...
Thats just me though; why do you feel its really good?
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WalksonGraves✭✭✭✭✭
✭You can even use devouring swarm with redistributor for some group utility.
I'm sad stygian is getting nerfed the invisibility swarm morph was broken for so long I never bothered to try it together.Edited by WalksonGraves on April 22, 2017 7:30AM0 -
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✭Accelerating drain and elusive should be stam there both examples of a vampires physical ability0 -
arkansas_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »KochDerDamonen wrote: »TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »Devouring Swarm is already one of the best ultimates in the game.
Baleful Mist could use a serious upgrade though, you're right about that.
Why do you feel Devouring Swarm is one of the best Ultimates?
IMHO it isnt bad, but its not great either...
Yes, it heals you...
Yes, its centered on you...
But it just doesnt hit that hard, and combined with its duration and area of effect, its not an ideal killing tool against good players...
Thats just me though; why do you feel its really good?
Because that's not what it's for, it's amazing for surviving against larger odds and giving you space to damage with other spells. If it hit the same damage levels as other ultimates that didn't heal you and weren't mobile with the player, there would be no reason to use the spells lacking in utility.
While I agree with you that it clearly isnt designed exclusively with killing in mind (it does heal afterall), it still is a bit lacking in the dps department; I mean 2 uses of puncturing sweeps beats this Ultimate out in the dps department (and does so in a shorter period of time), and sweeps adds a status effect on top of that...
I just think a buff to the duration of the swarm or a direct buff to its damage would make it a bit more desirable; linking the buff to the Vampire Lord gear would be a good way to go about it IMO...
The damage of Bat Swarm is secondary, the big advantage of Bat Swarm is that it heals you enough to where you can focus on dealing damage while your ult is active and not have to worry about survivability, ex. you can keep laying into somebody with sweeps and Purifying Light instead of having to hold block and spam Breath of lifeＦＯＲＵＭＰＬＡＲ
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TheDoomsdayMonster✭✭✭✭✭arkansas_ESO wrote: »TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »KochDerDamonen wrote: »TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »Devouring Swarm is already one of the best ultimates in the game.
Baleful Mist could use a serious upgrade though, you're right about that.
Why do you feel Devouring Swarm is one of the best Ultimates?
IMHO it isnt bad, but its not great either...
Yes, it heals you...
Yes, its centered on you...
But it just doesnt hit that hard, and combined with its duration and area of effect, its not an ideal killing tool against good players...
Thats just me though; why do you feel its really good?
Because that's not what it's for, it's amazing for surviving against larger odds and giving you space to damage with other spells. If it hit the same damage levels as other ultimates that didn't heal you and weren't mobile with the player, there would be no reason to use the spells lacking in utility.
While I agree with you that it clearly isnt designed exclusively with killing in mind (it does heal afterall), it still is a bit lacking in the dps department; I mean 2 uses of puncturing sweeps beats this Ultimate out in the dps department (and does so in a shorter period of time), and sweeps adds a status effect on top of that...
I just think a buff to the duration of the swarm or a direct buff to its damage would make it a bit more desirable; linking the buff to the Vampire Lord gear would be a good way to go about it IMO...
The damage of Bat Swarm is secondary, the big advantage of Bat Swarm is that it heals you enough to where you can focus on dealing damage while your ult is active and not have to worry about survivability, ex. you can keep laying into somebody with sweeps and Purifying Light instead of having to hold block and spam Breath of life
While what you say is true (and thats exactly how I use it when I use it), I still think it should do a little more direct damge or have a longer duration...
Ultimately it is an ultimate that does damage, and should be able to outperform puncturing sweeps handily as pertains dps; currently it does not ( 2 uses of puncturing sweeps will do more damage than this, in less time than Batswarm will, and will attach a status effect as well) ...
Edited by TheDoomsdayMonster on April 22, 2017 11:01AMUnyeilding Bias
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starkerealm✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »arkansas_ESO wrote: »TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »KochDerDamonen wrote: »TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »Devouring Swarm is already one of the best ultimates in the game.
Baleful Mist could use a serious upgrade though, you're right about that.
Why do you feel Devouring Swarm is one of the best Ultimates?
IMHO it isnt bad, but its not great either...
Yes, it heals you...
Yes, its centered on you...
But it just doesnt hit that hard, and combined with its duration and area of effect, its not an ideal killing tool against good players...
Thats just me though; why do you feel its really good?
Because that's not what it's for, it's amazing for surviving against larger odds and giving you space to damage with other spells. If it hit the same damage levels as other ultimates that didn't heal you and weren't mobile with the player, there would be no reason to use the spells lacking in utility.
While I agree with you that it clearly isnt designed exclusively with killing in mind (it does heal afterall), it still is a bit lacking in the dps department; I mean 2 uses of puncturing sweeps beats this Ultimate out in the dps department (and does so in a shorter period of time), and sweeps adds a status effect on top of that...
I just think a buff to the duration of the swarm or a direct buff to its damage would make it a bit more desirable; linking the buff to the Vampire Lord gear would be a good way to go about it IMO...
The damage of Bat Swarm is secondary, the big advantage of Bat Swarm is that it heals you enough to where you can focus on dealing damage while your ult is active and not have to worry about survivability, ex. you can keep laying into somebody with sweeps and Purifying Light instead of having to hold block and spam Breath of life
While what you say is true (and thats exactly how I use it when I use it), I still think it should do a little more direct damge or have a longer duration...
Ultimately it is an ultimate that does damage, and should be able to outperform puncturing sweeps handily as pertains dps; currently it does not ( 2 uses of puncturing sweeps will do more damage than this, in less time than Batswarm will, and will attach a status effect as well) ...
Here's the thing, with Homestead, all of the "vampiric" healing abilities available to non-vamps got overhauled. So, abilities like Blood Craze, Entropy, ect. Before, they'd return a portion of the damage done as health, afterwards it was changed into a non-stacking buff that self heals, rather than actually draining health from your opponent.
Thing is, this doesn't apply to your vampire attacks, which means for self heals they are now insanely powerful. The point of Drain and Devouring Swarm isn't about doing additional damage, as with elusive mist, the goal is to make your character much harder to kill. While vampires are conventionally viewed as a DPS option, what they add to the table is durability and mobility. Almost all of their abilities build towards making your character harder to kill. This includes devouring swarm. The invisible swarm is supposed to make you untargetable by non-aoe attacks. I'm honestly not sure if it works, and don't use it, but batswarm isn't about the damage, it's about making yourself tougher for a few seconds. So, complaining about it's DPS is a little like saying, "but Magma Armor doesn't do as much damage as other ultimates."0 -
starkerealm✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭There's vampire gear?
@Majeure, yeah.
At launch there were two. Vampire's Kiss and Song of Lamae, but these could be used by any character.
Post One Tamriel there's now Vampire Lord, which is a light armor drop set (I think it's from Bangkorai, but I'm not 100% certain.) This one has a 5pc bonus which reduces the cost and increases your spell damage, when casting vampire powers (so, Drain Essence, Mistform, and (I assume) Batswarm (I think this is Spell Damage only, but I'm not sure)).
There's also a werewolf set (Salvation) which reduces the cost to transform. There've been a few werewolf sets since launch, but I can't remember the progression there.1 -
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✭starkerealm wrote: »Devouring Swarm is already one of the best ultimates in the game.
Baleful Mist could use a serious upgrade though, you're right about that.
Reviving barrier heals you for more and lasts 6 times as long. Devouring swarm sucks
Edit: oopsEdited by Bobby_V_Rockit on April 22, 2017 1:26PM1 -
Ferrofluid✭✭✭Tbh the only buff vampires need is fixing mistform so it gives immunity to gap closer snare and hindering poisons (like it should). More damage on baleful must would be nice, but I still don't think anyone would ever take it over elusive.a.k.a. Aps3 -
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✭✭✭TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »Let me start out as saying that I love Vampirism in this game; I love the look, the lore behind it, some of the abilities/passives are really good, and the gear itself is pretty good from a statistical standpoint...
That said, some of the abilities need some work (I stated some of this in a previous post, but will repost some of it here):
Baleful Mist doesnt do enough damage...
Neither morph of Batswarm does enough damage...
The utility provided by Accelerating Drain doesnt make a significant difference in combat...
Now Invigorating Drain and Elusive Mist are fine as is...
Anyway, I am thinking a possible buff to Vampiric abilities (without going too far overboard and making it OP) would be too take away the Vampiric Ability Spell Cost Reduction from the 5th gear piece bonus of the Vampire Lord gear set, and replace it with a 1-2 second duration buff for all Vampiric abilities...
This would give Batswarm morphs and Baleful Mist a little more kick...
This would make Elusive Mist, Invigorating Drain, and Accelerating Drain a bit more powerful without them being OP...
The only disclaimer is that you'd have to equip the Vampire Lord gear set to get that bonus...
End result, Vampiric abilities would get a needed buff, and the Vampire Lord gear set would be a bit more valuable...
What do you guys think?
Since i find baleful mist to be one i never take some change might be in order but maybe a re-think not a buff. personally allowing it to regen would be fine if tey took away the damage.
My focus would be on SAVAGE FEEDING
The only change i want to vamps honestly is to trade out savage feeding passive for seductive feeding passive which gives a 50%/100% chance of not being seen as an attack for criminal purposes by the happy meal or other witnesses (with adjusted animation). Feed and fight is not something i would consider.
However another alternative would be a different take - let savage feeding be replaced by Refreshing Feed which grants like a 15m boost to health after a feeding or something like that to make "feed and reduce vamp level" a short-term boost making it worth considering to feed right before a combat. Right now tactically there is no non-rp reason to feed. that could be changed by altering that feeding passive a bit.
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TheDoomsdayMonster✭✭✭✭✭WalksonGraves wrote: »fyi baleful mist procs velidreth if you really want to cheese someone off.
It also procs Skoria...
Even still, it just isnt enough...
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✭Mist also stacks with cyrodil's light since it's a 4 second channel for even more damage reduction.0 -
ScooberSteve✭✭✭✭Yes please buff vamps so instead of cyro being 50% vamps itll be 100%. If only they didnt remove camoflage hunter0
