Yes, you are the only one.

Dreepa wrote: »

rager82b14_ESO wrote: »

Nelson_Rebel wrote: »

No but you are part of a small minority who like it

The loudest is not the most.

Indeed. Same thought here. People always think their team is the biggest. Nope.

Most players don't even go on the forums or just read a bit and are gone to play the game!

Yeah, and when you look at the big picture, what is going to impact most players will be if they refund skill point or CP. This always catches people off guard. I spend half of the following week saying the same things over and over in chat.

Here's the thing though: What if it's not due to that one issue you and ZoS seem to think it is: "currently no negatives forgoing max damage."

People just parrot that and take it as an Truth, but it's utter nonsense. Or at least it is for 95% of the ESO community.

I have a sorcerer in PvP that does exactly what you say: spec for max damage. It's very good at killing people. But only in very specific situations and in a specific group context. Taken out of these favorable circumstances, I run out of resources very quickly and am ill equipped to deal with more well rounded opponents such that I am pretty easily killed. That is a negative. A very large one at that.

Go get a robust target skeleton. Make a mag sorc, mDK, or magplar and build for what you say: just max damage. With just you - no healer buff, no tank debuffs, no anything - you will run out of resources by the time you get it down to 60% health even if you slot and use elemental drain (and thus now are not just building for max damage). So much for infinite sustain builds that ZoS claims is so easy.

And here is the other dirty little secret that ZoS's PR crew is not letting people in one: I have raided in end-game Trials since August 2014 and have *always* specced for max damage and guess what, have always had infinite sustain. Always. Before CPs. Before the 1.6 major balance changes. It's always been possible in a end-game PvE raid, something quite different from what is parroted on these forums. ZoS to trying to sell you and others on an imaginary past that never existed. And because ZoS is chasing this chimera and its community believes its own nostalgia, class distinctiveness, group coordination, and the very "fast paced action" ZoS claims its game it all about are getting sacrificed just so ZoS can sell more boxes of its expansion set.

jaye63 wrote: »

To clarify:

My issue with nerfing is that I spend money on a game, spend hundreds of hours on a game and everything I put time into is gone. And not just gone but given to an expansion class. It's like you're building a house and the EPA says your 100psi compressor any more unless you let them change the max psi to 40 but will let you get a new compressor that does 100psi because the old one was too powerful.

WHAT?!?

Making the new character more powerful and nerfing the others smacks of a money grab and is very disappointing. And while I was disappointed with the housing and still wish the lag spikes during peak hours would go away, I've been pretty pleased with the game til now. Translation? I liked the game. And would have continued to spend money on the game. This just makes me want to haunt the old PC game shops and go back to single player because at least those dont get nerfs.

not its not like that at all.

The rules for this MMO and every MMO and the agreement you signed allows ZOS to change anything they want.

You do not own "major mending" for your character just because you unlocked it some time ago.

you do not own "maxdam and sustain woohoo" just because you got the gear for it.

Every moment of time you invested in this game got you what it got you then with no guarantee none whatsoever that same would be true tomorrow.

So, no, its not like you are building a house and the epa changes things - its like you are renting a house and the landlord tells you they have chosen to install low flow toilets to conserve water.

You may not like it, others may like it, etc but lets face it... some "changes" your ESO landlords have made over the time you have liked, right?

So its not really that they change things but that this one affects you in ways you dont prefer.

THEDKEXPERIENCE wrote: »

Sn1per0 wrote: »

I love how almost every day there are threads on how easy this games is. So they make it harder by nerfing sustain which was much needed, changed some skills around and people loose their minds.

I just don't get it sometimes.

I for one, as a templar healer, am excited for the change. And yes I have read the patch notes, was a bit upset at first, then ran vCoS HM and realized how easy it really is.

This. 100 times this. I just reread the patch notes. I'm not worried at all. Anyone with half a brain will have their current build tweaked within a few hours and back up to speed within a weekend. Calm down people. Embrace the changes.

agreed. part of the reason i am still enjoying ESO is the periodic reshuffle of the balances. i for one think the maxdam+allsustain is too easy clickety clickety as far as choices go. i prefer balance that is more trade-off-based.

my basic idea of balance is that with good balance "Everything is good or best somewhere and nothing is good or best everywhere" and i see a LOT of good coming out of putting max-useful-sustain and max-useful-dam at opposite ends of a spectrum. one PVE challenge can be a tough fight where the shorter bursts matter and another can be a longer sustain challenge. Different builds for DPS in different setups... not just maxdam cuz sustain isnt a relevant factor.


Betcha if they went the other route and did cooldowns on base abilities but left sustain as a non-entity then folks would complain even louder.

give every ability a 2 sec casting time but at 1/2 cost vs leave abilities quick but make sustain balance a thing again.

In the old old old old days of board games, there was a game called battletech.

In that game when you freed weapons you built up heat and your ability to purge heat varied by design. put in more flushing (recovery) give up space for guns or use lighter guns. Was great cuz it gave you lotsa design options and tactical and strategic decisions that mattered.

along an expansion or two they started adding "improved tech" where flush rates were improved so... well turned well away from tactical decisions and trade-offs and that thing to who fired more often and rolled better cuz everybody had guns a plenty firing all the time. (that was decades ago and involved paper and pencils and tablets thay were yellow and lined instead of battery powered.)

Either way this same balance dynamic has played out over and over and this is just the latest. no more armageddon than the others.

Found another Sorc!!!

I dont mind them, I'll just use Dubious Camoran Throne or Witchmother's Brew and throw myself a warhorn in tougher battles...

Molydeus wrote: »

masterbroodub17_ESO wrote: »

samueltannerb14_ESO wrote: »

Overall I'm just shrugging my shoulders.

These changes will impacted a small, but very vocal, minority of players.

This game is much larger than the so-called end game, trials, and pvp. The majority of people here play for the immersion, the crafting, the housing, and the regular/vet four man content. Most are eagerly awaiting Morrowind because it is a new zone with new quest and story content.

This. The notion that the game is dead or dying because some hardcore players or streamers are getting butthurt and rage-quitting because their meta is being turned on its head is hilarious.

When your most popular and vocal supporter who has been producing quality content for 3 years straight, suddenly up and quits the game with rage towards the developers he has always defended from naysayers, you know you have a problem.

Or you have someone who was burned out and was really just looking for a good excuse to make an exit. This isn't the first MMO to introduce major changes in preparation for an expansion and it certainly isn't the first time long-term mainstays of the population rage off into the sunset as a result.

You think this is drama? You should be on the WoW boards when an expansion is coming out. You'd think that Blizzard was throwing babies off a cliff or something.