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Things that ESO added anyway even though it is supposed to be a different MMO.
Sotha_Sil
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I just would like to start this thread to talk about the game and what it currently lacks.
Before everyone starts saying, ESO is different, ESO is not your random MMO, it might be good to look about what has happened in the past. Well, if we look over the years, many features have been added by the developers who saw that they were heavily requested by the community. Those features are the common ground of any MMOs, and it is not surprising.
What the game lacked when it was launched but has or will have soon with Morrowind :
-> Dyeing system
-> Duels
-> Battlegrounds
-> Housing
-> Race/Appearance change system
-> Crafting bag
-> Nameplates
-> Scroll combat text
-> Buff tracking system
What it still lacks compared to other MMOs :
-> Account wide achievements
-> Transmog / Wardrobe system
-> Auction House
and many other stuff I am sure...
So to all people saying ESO should not have that. I think it's about time you realize that ESO following pattern has been to implement features that the majority wanted because it's what everyone has experienced in other MMOs and liked because these ideas are just immensely good.
Now if you want to spend the rest of your time looking ugly, making 5465465 characters for the same stupid achievement, spending 546574 hours to find motifs, well ok. But honestly, you are just wasting your time and giving ZOS just what they want : keeping you in the game without creating true content. And I think you are being the fool here.
Edited by Sotha_Sil on April 21, 2017 10:19PM Before everyone starts saying, ESO is different, ESO is not your random MMO, it might be good to look about what has happened in the past. Well, if we look over the years, many features have been added by the developers who saw that they were heavily requested by the community. Those features are the common ground of any MMOs, and it is not surprising.
What the game lacked when it was launched but has or will have soon with Morrowind :
-> Dyeing system
-> Duels
-> Battlegrounds
-> Housing
-> Race/Appearance change system
-> Crafting bag
-> Nameplates
-> Scroll combat text
-> Buff tracking system
What it still lacks compared to other MMOs :
-> Account wide achievements
-> Transmog / Wardrobe system
-> Auction House
and many other stuff I am sure...
So to all people saying ESO should not have that. I think it's about time you realize that ESO following pattern has been to implement features that the majority wanted because it's what everyone has experienced in other MMOs and liked because these ideas are just immensely good.
Now if you want to spend the rest of your time looking ugly, making 5465465 characters for the same stupid achievement, spending 546574 hours to find motifs, well ok. But honestly, you are just wasting your time and giving ZOS just what they want : keeping you in the game without creating true content. And I think you are being the fool here.
Restoration is a perfectly valid school of magic, and don't let anyone tell you otherwise! - Spells and incantations for those with the talent to cast them!
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Daemons_Bane✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭What it still lacks compared to other MMOs :
-> Account wide achievements
-> Transmog system
-> Auction House
So to all people saying ESO should not have that. I think it's about time you realize that ESO following pattern has been to implement features that the majority wanted because it's what everyone has experienced in other MMOs and liked because these ideas are just immensely good.
Now if you want to spend the rest of your time looking ugly, making 5465465 characters for the same stupid achievement, spending 546574 hours to find motifs, well ok. But honestly, you are just wasting your time and giving ZOS just what they want : keeping you in the game without creating true content. And I think you are being the fool here.
Pass on all but the Transmog system.. I would prefer that account wide achieves and AH was not in this game.. I actually quite enjoy it as it is now.. If that translates to " giving ZOS just what they want : keeping you in the game without creating true content. And I think you are being the fool here " in your head, that's your problem and not mine
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✭Those 3 items added, would be wonderful:
-> Account wide achievements
-> Transmog system
-> Auction House
is there at least some recognition at all from the devs that these things are greatly desired and on a roadmap?4 -
Daemons_Bane✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭QuebraRegra wrote: »Those 3 items added, would be wonderful:
-> Account wide achievements
-> Transmog system
-> Auction House
is there at least some recognition at all from the devs that these things are greatly desired and on a roadmap?
They have acknowledged that we desire these things, but not much else0 -
DragonBound✭✭✭✭✭QuebraRegra wrote: »Those 3 items added, would be wonderful:
-> Account wide achievements
-> Transmog system
-> Auction House
is there at least some recognition at all from the devs that these things are greatly desired and on a roadmap?
If you leave no achievements for per character people will get bored very quickly.0 -
QuebraRegra✭✭✭✭✭
✭DragonBound wrote: »QuebraRegra wrote: »Those 3 items added, would be wonderful:
-> Account wide achievements
-> Transmog system
-> Auction House
is there at least some recognition at all from the devs that these things are greatly desired and on a roadmap?
If you leave no achievements for per character people will get bored very quickly.
wha? what the heck do achievements have to do with game play satisfaction!?!?! Do we need a "cookie" every time we complete a poorly written quest, or perform some basic function with horrendous boring rapidity? How about quality gameplay and @#&^! all cheevos?
I must be a dinosaur from another pre-special-snowflake-cookie era?
I mean seriously... do people play games they suck just for achievements!?!?! "Hey kid, let's play a game called PUNCH IN DA MOWF.. it's got plenty of achievements for you"
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✭Daemons_Bane wrote: »What it still lacks compared to other MMOs :
-> Account wide achievements
-> Transmog system
-> Auction House
So to all people saying ESO should not have that. I think it's about time you realize that ESO following pattern has been to implement features that the majority wanted because it's what everyone has experienced in other MMOs and liked because these ideas are just immensely good.
Now if you want to spend the rest of your time looking ugly, making 5465465 characters for the same stupid achievement, spending 546574 hours to find motifs, well ok. But honestly, you are just wasting your time and giving ZOS just what they want : keeping you in the game without creating true content. And I think you are being the fool here.
Pass on all but the Transmog system.. I would prefer that account wide achieves and AH was not in this game.. I actually quite enjoy it as it is now.. If that translates to " giving ZOS just what they want : keeping you in the game without creating true content. And I think you are being the fool here " in your head, that's your problem and not mine
I am sorry, but I think, we as players, deserve more than bad UI, bad auction house systems that does nothing that what it pretends to do, bad customization system than even older MMOs don't have, bad achievement system that implies you cannot get some achievements with the character you want (if you are a healer or tank , it is impossible to get some raid achievements for instance.).Edited by Sotha_Sil on April 21, 2017 9:34PMRestoration is a perfectly valid school of magic, and don't let anyone tell you otherwise! - Spells and incantations for those with the talent to cast them!1 -
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✭✭The UI can easily be remedied, and was not something you initially mentioned.. The AH in this game is bad, because it does not exist, which is what some of us like.. Too many games have auctionhouses, and in some of them it's horrible.. Let's not get that here.. And yes, some of the achievements are not available to you.. If you want tank achievements, MAKE A TANK1 -
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✭Daemons_Bane wrote: »The UI can easily be remedied, and was not something you initially mentioned.. The AH in this game is bad, because it does not exist, which is what some of us like.. Too many games have auctionhouses, and in some of them it's horrible.. Let's not get that here.. And yes, some of the achievements are not available to you.. If you want tank achievements, MAKE A TANK
Bad UI is part of the trading system as it is.
So you are saying that I need to make a tank to get those achievements and get like the other 25 000 achievements points all over again. Seriously ? have you ever done that ?Edited by Sotha_Sil on April 21, 2017 9:39PMRestoration is a perfectly valid school of magic, and don't let anyone tell you otherwise! - Spells and incantations for those with the talent to cast them!1 -
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✭✭No, I have not.. Since I don't really care about achievements.. But it makes perfect sense to me that dps classes don't get tank achievements.. If you only care for the achievement POINTS so you can brag away, I don't mind the point themselves being shared.. Just not the individual achievements/rewards/titles1 -
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✭Daemons_Bane wrote: »No, I have not.. Since I don't really care about achievements.. But it makes perfect sense to me that dps classes don't get tank achievements.. If you only care for the achievement POINTS so you can brag away, I don't mind the point themselves being shared.. Just not the individual achievements/rewards/titles
Achievements points should not be useless. They should matter. Look at what GW2 made for example : it is a system where you get rewarded for completing the achievements. Basically, you want to do them because you get something. Which means that the players are happy because while playing the content, they can show they are invested in the game thanks to those rewards. When ZOS realizes that, they will see that it keeps players engaged far more than a system where you get nothing out of it.Edited by Sotha_Sil on April 21, 2017 9:47PMRestoration is a perfectly valid school of magic, and don't let anyone tell you otherwise! - Spells and incantations for those with the talent to cast them!1 -
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✭✭I'm from way before achievements, so they matter incredibly little to me.. I have no desire to show how much time I have invested in the game.. That's not why I play.. I don't need rewards to keep me here..3 -
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✭QuebraRegra wrote: »Those 3 items added, would be wonderful:
-> Account wide achievements
-> Transmog system
-> Auction House
is there at least some recognition at all from the devs that these things are greatly desired and on a roadmap?
Umm, Auction House is already in game. Yes the base UI sucks, but if you're not on console, you can get "AwesomeGuildStore" addon. If anything, THAT should be part of the default AH UI.Edited by PlagueSD on April 21, 2017 9:49PM0 -
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✭Daemons_Bane wrote: »I'm from way before achievements, so they matter incredibly little to me.. I have no desire to show how much time I have invested in the game.. That's not why I play.. I don't need rewards to keep me here..Daemons_Bane wrote: »And yes, some of the achievements are not available to you.. If you want tank achievements, MAKE A TANKDaemons_Bane wrote: »No, I have not.. Since I don't really care about achievements.. But it makes perfect sense to me that dps classes don't get tank achievements.. If you only care for the achievement POINTS so you can brag away, I don't mind the point themselves being shared.. Just not the individual achievements/rewards/titles
Well if it does not matter for you, why are you defending not account based achievement ?Edited by Sotha_Sil on April 21, 2017 9:51PMRestoration is a perfectly valid school of magic, and don't let anyone tell you otherwise! - Spells and incantations for those with the talent to cast them!1 -
Medakon✭✭✭QuebraRegra wrote: »I mean seriously... do people play games they suck just for achievements!?!?! "Hey kid, let's play a game called PUNCH IN DA MOWF.. it's got plenty of achievements for you"
Well, answere is yes, yes we do. I'm only playing eso for achviements, collecting the difficult ones, geting rare skins and titles. This is also my main consern about the game because I spendt so much time on my main, I don't play other characters cuz achivments dosnt carry. This also means I can't play a warden unless they implement Class change tokens for crowns, or account shared achivments.Medakon - Legendary Super Hero Professional Assassin Nightblade from Tamriel who do different stuff
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✭✭Daemons_Bane wrote: »I'm from way before achievements, so they matter incredibly little to me.. I have no desire to show how much time I have invested in the game.. That's not why I play.. I don't need rewards to keep me here..Daemons_Bane wrote: »And yes, some of the achievements are not available to you.. If you want tank achievements, MAKE A TANKDaemons_Bane wrote: »No, I have not.. Since I don't really care about achievements.. But it makes perfect sense to me that dps classes don't get tank achievements.. If you only care for the achievement POINTS so you can brag away, I don't mind the point themselves being shared.. Just not the individual achievements/rewards/titles
Well if it does not matter for you, why are you defending not account based achievement ?
Just because it don't matter to me, I can still have a feeling of what I think is the right/wrong way for the system to workEdited by Daemons_Bane on April 21, 2017 9:53PM1 -
adeptusminor✭✭✭✭A Transmog system would be really nice. There are some cool armors that I would love to wear, but the stats just don't work for my class. Plus ZoS would be able to add in another type of mat grind/crown store purchase to implement it as well if they wanted to. Works out for both users and ZoS!Edited by adeptusminor on April 21, 2017 9:54PM1
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Well for my templar its nice getting 300k xp and an skill point for doing an dungeon the first time.QuebraRegra wrote: »DragonBound wrote: »QuebraRegra wrote: »Those 3 items added, would be wonderful:
-> Account wide achievements
-> Transmog system
-> Auction House
is there at least some recognition at all from the devs that these things are greatly desired and on a roadmap?
If you leave no achievements for per character people will get bored very quickly.
wha? what the heck do achievements have to do with game play satisfaction!?!?! Do we need a "cookie" every time we complete a poorly written quest, or perform some basic function with horrendous boring rapidity? How about quality gameplay and @#&^! all cheevos?
I must be a dinosaur from another pre-special-snowflake-cookie era?
I mean seriously... do people play games they suck just for achievements!?!?! "Hey kid, let's play a game called PUNCH IN DA MOWF.. it's got plenty of achievements for you"
even if the sorc did it in 2014, see no issue having to grind undaunted or TG again as its part of gameplay, Mages guild is boring but will do the quests anyway
Should be two tabs one for player and one for character.
Grinding just make you go in circles.
Asking ZoS for nerfs is as stupid as asking for close air support from the death star.1 -
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✭✭adeptusminor wrote: »A Transmog system would be really nice. There are some cool armors that I would love to wear, but the stats just don't work for my class. Plus ZoS would be able to add in another type of mat grind/crown store purchase to implement it as well if they wanted to. Works out for both users and ZoS!
An easy way to make crowns would be to let us purchase each wardrobe unlock, or the full set.. For example, if you only wanted another helmet, you could buy the "Head Wardrobe Slot" 0 -
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✭QuebraRegra wrote: »I mean seriously... do people play games they suck just for achievements!?!?! "Hey kid, let's play a game called PUNCH IN DA MOWF.. it's got plenty of achievements for you"
Well, answere is yes, yes we do. I'm only playing eso for achviements, collecting the difficult ones, geting rare skins and titles. This is also my main consern about the game because I spendt so much time on my main, I don't play other characters cuz achivments dosnt carry. This also means I can't play a warden unless they implement Class change tokens for crowns, or account shared achivments.
This is a generational thing I suspect. Maybe this is why most games suck now? The reward for playing a game in a bygone era was the experience of playing the game it's self. A game had to be good for the playerbase to bother with it at all. Now it's "Look, it's go 50 thousand meaningless cheevos!!!", meanwhile the game has no substance and is crap. Hmm, there's a thesis here for the current process of game development. 4 -
Avidspark✭✭✭✭Only good one on the list is Transmogs.
Account wide achieves? Garbage, you can achieve them per character.
Auction house? Garbage, leaves most everything at vendor price.'Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.'
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The interface need improvements, AwesomeGuildStore is pretty much it.Daemons_Bane wrote: »The UI can easily be remedied, and was not something you initially mentioned.. The AH in this game is bad, because it does not exist, which is what some of us like.. Too many games have auctionhouses, and in some of them it's horrible.. Let's not get that here.. And yes, some of the achievements are not available to you.. If you want tank achievements, MAKE A TANK
And yes, you don't want to get the dungeon healer / tank achievement unless you slot for the roles, at least not until late Grinding just make you go in circles.
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✭✭✭✭✭I wouldn't break out the pitchforks and torches for a Transmog system, but I do think Transmog is a cheap solution. I don't want my Master Crafters to be relegated to Re-Skinners. I want them to craft. I want the appearance of my character to reflect cool-looking and highly-funcitonal gear I make. I don't want to make costumes. I want to make gear. Transmog is just a work-around for an unwillingness to make this happen. It's a sad appeasement that, for me at least, won't appease."A probable impossibility is preferable to an improbable possibility." - Aristotle1 -
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✭✭MasterSpatula wrote: »I wouldn't break out the pitchforks and torches for a Transmog system, but I do think Transmog is a cheap solution. I don't want my Master Crafters to be relegated to Re-Skinners. I want them to craft. I want the appearance of my character to reflect cool-looking and highly-funcitonal gear I make. I don't want to make costumes. I want to make gear. Transmog is just a work-around for an unwillingness to make this happen. It's a sad appeasement that, for me at least, won't appease.
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✭Only good one on the list is Transmogs.
Account wide achieves? Garbage, you can achieve them per character.
Auction house? Garbage, leaves most everything at vendor price.
ok so I guess you have 8 characters with 25500 achievements points, right ? right ?Restoration is a perfectly valid school of magic, and don't let anyone tell you otherwise! - Spells and incantations for those with the talent to cast them!1 -
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✭Daemons_Bane wrote: »
Why would that be required to him having that opinion?
Well, if you have not even tried to get the achievements in the game, how could you possibly say that achievements are too easy to get and account based is a bad idea ?Edited by Sotha_Sil on April 21, 2017 10:21PMRestoration is a perfectly valid school of magic, and don't let anyone tell you otherwise! - Spells and incantations for those with the talent to cast them!1 -
Avidspark✭✭✭✭Daemons_Bane wrote: »Who said they were easy? A lot of them are probably challenging
Exactly...and should STAY THAT WAY!'Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.'
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Alchemical✭✭✭✭✭I was kinda surprised about Achievements not being account wide. Considering almost everything else is, this seems kinda backwards.
It's more QoL than anything, at least for me. I invested gold into completing an achievement on one character so I can buy the furniture that is gated by having a certain achievement. But I can only buy that furniture on that character now, and only that one. So if I have the gold on another character I need to log into the character with the gold, deposit it, log, relog into the one with the achievement, go to a bank, withdraw the gold, then walk out to which ever vendor sells the achievement gated furniture. It's not a big deal, but it's like 5 minutes of running in a circle that there's not really a need for. Other than situations like that it's whatever, I don't care about achievement score so much as just not needing to swap toons mid-doing something.1
