I'm okay with the patch changes except for the stealth fixes/changes.

Nelson_Rebel wrote: »

No but you are part of a small minority who like it

Probably not true. But the people who find fault with most everything regarding any sort of change are a lot louder. Whether it's constructive, angry, or just attention seeking, they post a lot more.

People who are content and happy, are playing...

I can't say I was too happy with the changes, especially since my Stamblade got knocked down when we're already one of the worst dps classes for PvE. I've made the changes I need to get my dps to what it is on live so at least that's one good thing.

The changes I am ok with except one which I hope it get reverted back or at very least get changes so it benefits other people nearby and that is repentance.

Im kind of looking forward to seeing alot of the meta Hoppers go TBH

Looking forward too it.

Major changes = back to the drawing board with builds. I get board when not thinking up and tweaking builds.

I also like the most of the patch changes. But then again, I only solo PvE, mainly level alts and solo bosses with my main. Lowering sustaining makes that a little bit harder as fights take longer when I have to heavy attack more, but hey, I have time.

Maybe PvP and group-PvE take more hits.

I was hoping they would globally nerf resource regain mechanics for PvP, but also nerf the resource-draining poisons. However, in the patch notes many class-defining abilities were nerfed for both PvE and PvP to the point where it really hurts people who loved those abilities. And I'm not sure if those nerfs actually fix the problems they are supposed to fix.

For example, Stam DKs had very strong self-healing with Major Mending from Igneous Shield + Rally + Vigor (+lots of other defensive and healing buffs and minor damage shields including Champion system and item set bonuses). Now almost all of these abilities got nerfed, but this will not affect the players the most who stack all of them in PvP, it will have the biggest impact instead for players who used maybe just one or two of them in PvE.

Nerfing the Templar's unique role of helping out with Stamina sustain in groups I think was unneeded. Slightly nerfing Shards is ok in the context of a global reduction for sustain in this update, but giving the Templar's unique ability to everyone via Undaunted skill line and changing Repentance so it only will give Stamina back for the Templar now I think went a bit too far and took away from the classes uniqueness.
The nerf to Breath of Life was long overdue and the ability is still very strong. Templars will still be very strong and easy to play healers that bring a lot of utility to the group.

I still believe that unlimited stacking of healing and damage shields in PvP is a problem that should be adressed by introducing a global cap for how much health a character can regain per second and a maximum damage shield size of 100% of the character's health. And I still think that ESO should have cool-downs for all abilities (they wouldn't have to nerf sustain at all for balancing if cool-downs existed).

For Cyrodiil (large-scale siege PvP) I think there's 3 things that really shouldn't happen and should be avoided at all cost:
1. When people group up and move around stacked on top of each other this should absolutely not make them invulnerable. A coordinated attack on such a group should be able to pick a few targets. Right now, the stacking of heals, health recovery and other health regain mechanics + stacking of damage shields basically makes players in such groups impossible to kill. Nerfing Breath of Life to at least require some aiming was a step in the right direction to remove this silly zergballing issue, but after such a long time where this was a huge, huge problem in Cyrodiil it would be nice if this could finally be resolved some day (I suggested above to solve this by introducing a limit for how much health and damage shield a player can regain per second and a limit for how much total damage shield a player can have; for example, a player could not regain more than 25% of their maximum health per second and could not gain more than a damage shield value equal to 100% of their maximum health per second; the total Damage Shield size a player could have would also be capped at 100% of that player's max health; also, remove all AoE caps, of course. Absolutely no one complained when the AoE caps were weakened in a patch a while ago, just remove them completely now).
2. When a player has such a strong build that 10 other players (knowing the basic mechanics of the game) have no chance in beating that player that just shouldn't happen. A strong player with a good build should be able to outplay several other players, but when 5 or more players coordinate their attacks and work together to beat that one player they should stand a chance in that fight. Guaranteed escape mechanics and unlimited survival builds are just cheesy and not fair and will upset a lot of new players (and Cyrodiil needs a lot of players to stay alive as large-scale siege PvP zone; it shouldn't just be a playground for pro-PvP players with unbeatable builds).
3. Gank builds that can kill a player with an attack from stealth without giving that player any chance of fighting back or surviving the attack. I think this has been adressed mostly. There's still not enough counters to stealth though. Show the number of enemy players that are at each resource and keep on the map. Increase the radius of all stealth counters, including detection potions and especially Revealing Flare.

GaldorP wrote: »

Nerfing the Templar's unique role of helping out with Stamina sustain in groups I think was unneeded. Slightly nerfing Shards is ok in the context of a global reduction for sustain in this update, but giving the Templar's unique ability to everyone via Undaunted skill line and changing Repentance so it only will give Stamina back for the Templar now I think went a bit too far and took away from the classes uniqueness.

They don't nerf Shard, they are giving non-Templar healers a chance to join a vet trails by giving them a mean to restore stamina to the group. Non-Templar healers are not allowed to do vet trials right now because of that exact reason. Making Shard "unique ability" of Templar is like transferring Pierce Armour from 1HS skill line to DK and tell non-DK tanks to go screw themselves they are not allowed to tank. Restoring stamina to the group shouldn't be Templar's "class unique", that's just wrong, Pierce Armour might as well be DK's "class unique" if we want to go that way.

But yes, nerf to Repentance is 100% unnecessary, it shouldn't make it to live.

Game is already a mess in some parts, especially CP-wise. So yes, I am excited. Sometimes to create something you first have to destroy something. Let the wrecking balls swing. I look forward to any changes. I am a NGE survivor.

PS4_ZeColmeia wrote: »

So consider this, we regularly complain about: (1) HA balance, (2) Class balance, (3) PvP balancing vs PvE balancing, and (4) no unique builds.

What if this is due to 1 issue: there are currently no negatives for going max damage. We discuss HA balance because you gain resources like those in less vulnerable armor, class balance around dps maxes only which gives large resource pools to off set no recovery, anti zerg approaches hurt max damage in PvE upsetting performance, and hybrids can't be made because max damage > all and health chants for nothing.

all end game content is group based (other players needed) outside of achievement hunting. In these scenarios, the race to the max damage, especially when groups are spec'ed to be optimized. Essentially you had to sacrifice nothing to get max damage because armor + weapon + ratios of classes = sustain was no issue.

The change of making sustain more character than group focused shifts the balancing around solo character builds. By doing so, max damage only makes you ineffective. This shifts the focus away from max damage specs, to balancing starts to survive and sustain. Factor this with cp and stats now giving most of the punch way earlier, and it's evident that max stat builds will be so marginally better than a balanced stat in terms of damage that you'll be gimped because you have no health and you have no sustain.

Every balance issue we discuss daily is solved by removing the focus away from max damage and towards individual sustain. Honestly, it's small change in terms of its affect. I do think mob health in the trials may need adjustment, but aside from that this changes the way we play the game but for the better.

It's not the resource nerf it's all the class changes trust me i agree sustains a problem but changing everyone's passives that's where I have a problem

GaldorP wrote: »

hmsdragonfly wrote: »

GaldorP wrote: »

Nerfing the Templar's unique role of helping out with Stamina sustain in groups I think was unneeded. Slightly nerfing Shards is ok in the context of a global reduction for sustain in this update, but giving the Templar's unique ability to everyone via Undaunted skill line and changing Repentance so it only will give Stamina back for the Templar now I think went a bit too far and took away from the classes uniqueness.

They don't nerf Shard, they are giving non-Templar healers a chance to join a vet trails by giving them a mean to restore stamina to the group. Non-Templar healers are not allowed to do vet trials right now because of that exact reason. Making Shard "unique ability" of Templar is like transferring Pierce Armour from 1HS skill line to DK and tell non-DK tanks to go screw themselves they are not allowed to tank. Restoring stamina to the group shouldn't be Templar's "class unique", that's just wrong, Pierce Armour might as well be DK's "class unique" if we want to go that way.

But yes, nerf to Repentance is 100% unnecessary, it shouldn't make it to live.

They did nerf Shards a bit I think:

The amount restored is now based on your character level instead of your Max Resource. The synergy also has a shared cooldown with the Necrotic Orb synergy.

But ok, if Shards were so important for vet trials that other healers were basically not an option then I guess that change was needed.

Oh yup my bad, they did nerf Shard a bit. I don't fully support that nerf, though.

i am not excited about the changes but my viewpoint is the same one i take in life-adapt. i understand why people who put a huge amount of time and thought into the game and how to do the endgame content most efficiently-are so upset. And you won't hear any mocking of them from me. (But you won't hear any mocking of the devs from me either) i have not put intense thought and effort into endgame though. the reason why i have not is because this kind of stuff happens. i've been playing games for too long to invest too much intensity into it. i know what will happen. i will invest much and have it wiped out and be upset. i don't play games to get upset. i play games to have fun. So i stay casual in my approach. Which makes it easier to adapt when the inevitable happens.

i very much appreciate those who have put a lot of thought and effort into what is the best way to do things though. They deserve some respect for making things easier for everyone else by investing their time so heavily. I also have a lot of respect for the devs for constantly working on trying to make the game better. Mistakes will be made and sometimes unpopular choices that aren't actually mistakes.

Even as a casual-i will have to change up some things. For me-that's not the end of the world. It's an end to complacency. Which is usually how change effects things in life as well. It's not usually a bad thing for something to end complacency. i have found it's usually better to find something you like and focus on that-which i am already doing.

You watch the news in the world and watch people who are unhappy about something destroying their own neighborhoods and you wonder why on earth they think that's a solution to anything. I ask the same question regarding these forums.

rager82b14_ESO wrote: »

Nelson_Rebel wrote: »

No but you are part of a small minority who like it

The loudest is not the most.

Indeed. Same thought here. People always think their team is the biggest. Nope.

Most players don't even go on the forums or just read a bit and are gone to play the game!