TheRealPotoroo wrote: »

masterbroodub17_ESO wrote: »

And if it does turn out to be that horrible, THEN you leave. Rage-quitting like a spoiled child while decisions are still being made is not worthy of applause.

For better or worse, once development gets to PTS the decisions have been made. PTS is about tweaking. How often has ZoS (or any developer for that matter) got as far as PTS and gone, nope, we've just realised it's a really bad idea and we're going to drop it, thanks testers!

Drop the whole thing? Do you really think that class balance is everything they are releasing in Morrowind? That it is so important that everything else should simply step aside? No.

But, as to your statement, ZOS has done this two or three times that I can remember. They backed up on the whole Potency run debacle and rolled out a compromise that worked. When they first introduced animation priority, they backed out the whole feature and did not include it in that update. Yes, it came back in a later update, but not in the same form. They introduced a bug fix in 2.6 that broke how people wanted tri-focus to work, and rolled back the change.

Edit: These class balance changes are not going to make it all the way to Live unchanged.

Some of the problem is that the MMO game is based on a very successful single player series, that NEVER had to balance PVE vs. PVP. In Skyrim you can literally 1 shot a dragon with a bow, nobody cares or complains. Bring PVP into it and all of a sudden that is not fair, because I haven't figured out how to do it.

Welp I'm philosophical about it all, really. I am jaded and cynical anyway and not in the least surprised that a commercial concern would opt for making money over providing a decent experience. We've been led like lambs along this path, saying to each other, 'Oh well, a cash shop isn't so bad. Other MMOs have them. As long as there's no p2w things, it'll be fine.' And it was, just a few nice costumes and pets, great! Then experience scrolls, potions, soul gems and riding lessons and motifs that it took the rest of us upwards of a year to find, but still its not really ptw.

I understand Deltia's angst, the game is entirely different than at launch, a great deal of the changes have been for the better, but there is this encroaching, stealthy p2w creeping into things now. I am playing a healer for the first time and looking at sets, realised the best one is not crafted (I was under the impression that all crafted sets were superior) but dropped. From a dungeon. That you have to buy a DLC for. I'm subbed and have been since launch, so that's not a problem to me, but I have also spent years levelling up my crafter and what for? Let's face it, ZoS aren't making any money if I can craft something that's better than something people have to pay cash for. ZoS want people to buy Morrowind so they make the new class superior by nerfing others.

I will continue subbing and playing for now, because I am not an elite and bumble through just doing whatever, I am a scrub and no right minded group would take me into a trial anyway because I don't have the right set. The set that drops from the DLC dungeon. So there is your p2w, unless you run a particular set you cannot get into a trial so you must buy the DLC to farm the set to do the trial to get the stuff to PvP with. Like I said, stealth p2w.

I don't usually care what these streamers say, but I agree with Deltia here. I'll be leaving ESO as well unless they come with some MAJOR changes to what they'e doing. What a mess.

I don't know, he was spot on the CP system is garbage its half baked, he is correct that they should rip it out and make a true Alternate advancement system. And truthfully the game has not really gotten better Post IC, not sure that Orssinium was an improvement and the guilds were a huge disappointment.

I'm actually glad he left, I think it's a good thing—for the highest profile ESO streamer/youtuber to just say "*** this" and quit, that shows a level of integrity that I can actually respect. I think everyone from time to time may have made their 'Deltia' jokes, including me—but he was the first Youtuber I watched when I bought the game. In fact, I remember watching binge watching all his YouTube vids prior to the console release. He helped many, many new players get into the game—and honestly acted like a damn tutorial for ESO—something this game sorely needs. Him leaving hurts the new players—but I think there will be people who take his place, creating content and helping out those new players.

tl;dr: Him leaving the game sucks because of sentimental reasons—but on the other hand I'm glad because it sends a strong message, and shows a great deal of integrity.

grim_tactics wrote: »

austinwalter87ub17_ESO wrote: »

grim_tactics wrote: »

austinwalter87ub17_ESO wrote: »

Comparing streamers to celebrities is a horrible comparison. Celebrities in Hollywood want your money and share no knowledge, do nothing to help others.

Streamers are encyclopedias of knowledge, learning, and many thousands watch them to learn from

Encyclopedias of knowledge? No - so much no.

They're telling you things about a game you yourself can figure out and do.

Lol. People can figure out anything in life on their own. Just like encyclopedias, streamers provide a source of information for people who desire to learn more quickly regarding that which interests them. People seek them out because they wish to know about something more extensively beforehand.

Your crusade against streamers isn't going to work.

And now we see how salty you are. My crusade - that's hilarious.

You must've missed where I said I actually like watching the guy and I respect your opinion.

You're so upset over a character leaving his channel and so many of you all are leaving cause some random online is quitting.

Lemmings gonna lemming.

I don't think you understand what the term 'Random' means in online gaming.

Seeing if I can hang out for Morrowind. As someone who plays for 30+ hours a week I am struggling to find enough to keep me interested in the game.

Lack of new content that I like is my issue and I know that ZOS are never going to please everyone. TG and DB were very similar and are not the sort of things I enjoy. This is down to my taste I know but some new content about the positive aspects of life would be a change instead of murder and thievery.

As someone who had previously completed Cadwells silver/gold, reached Vet16 before CP took over and had characters at vet level in every alliance, 1T was not really anything for me to get excited about.

Homestead is mildly entertaining but I have my manor, target skel and the 3 attuned crafting stations I was after, so have no need to chase down master writs any more (less than 2 months after it launched). I don't consider decorating and furnishing a house as fun, otherwise I would be spending my time looking after my real house instead of playing.

PVP is a drudge, take a keep, lose a keep, get ganked and tea bagged, rinse and repeat. At 6am one alliance has everyone on and owns everything, at 2pm another alliance has taken over, etc.

Approaching 800 CP, double XP events every other month do not interest me and with over 200 undaunted keys that I cannot be bothered using, I only run dungeons if I or a friend is levelling up our undaunted line on a new character.

I do not expect any tea and sympathy, I choose to play as much as I do and cannot expect the game to keep me going for ever. Maybe I'd get more fake sympathy if I did leave and offered to give away my millions in gold and the several million gold worth of materials stuffed into my craft bag.

I'm actually going to quit this game, I play a magblade, And we're already ***. Taking away the magicka sustain in Siphoning Attacks was the one thing our class had going for us is just a slap in the face. I cant imagine all the other changes the Templars and DK's are going to have to deal with..

also i wonder what will happen to thearcaneacademycom ??

I was mad too about the recent nerfs. Said my Templar is like Cinderella and Warden the ugly step sisters bringing it down.

Anyways, I still love this game. Best housing feature, best combat, more fair still then most other games. And I know a lot about almost everything in this game. So I am here to stay. Well unless ZOS does something completely insane. Then at that time I will decide.

ArchMikem wrote: »

Ep1kMalware wrote: »

ArchMikem wrote: »

bloodthirstyvampire wrote: »

Zos are like parents choosing what clothes there kids should wear, zos knows best

It's their game? Doesn't matter what's best or not, they can do whatever the Hell they want.

You are right, but it is my time, and my money. I will spend them as I see fit. Until morrwind I'm going to live in vma. I'll keep an eye on the pts and hope for the best. But if june hits and this goes live then well,... oh well.1 less subcriber won't hurt zos. Maybe alot will tho. Zos is greedy, if ppl get mad and unsub amd their best promoters are raging then zos will definetly have to adapt, or suffer the income loss.

period.

Welcome to Capitalism.

But it being your time and your money doesn't give you the right to victimize yourself if the service provider decides to make their service into something you don't agree with. You can freely take your money elsewhere, find another service, but that's pretty much all you have the right to do. I'm speaking generally btw, not you personally. If people want to act like they have a more direct connection to the game which gives them the right to crap on ZOS, they should go work for ZOS.

Excuse me? First of all that is not true at all clearly you never worked in retail before because tons of people do this and get away with it while getting what they want, now rather you think they have a right in an mmorpg is subjective, there is a difference between doing something you do not agree with and doing something that might mess up the balance of the game. You really do not have a right to tell people if they have a right or not to complain or criticize it.

StackonClown wrote: »

in general im not a fan of im quitting posts or im quitting videos - my preference is if people go quietly without a lot of fanfare.. admittedly Deltia was calm and reasonable in his video... i can see why zos isnt a fan of quitting or goodbye threads either...

The main presenter of one of the main ESO podcasts 'left' after crown crates were introduced .. and now they are back bigger and btter than before - as if it never happened

Didn't someone also say Sipher quit back in 2015 and then 'came back' -

As for me - I'm not impressed with the nerfs - to me warden looks OPish and has all the goodies - i plan to buy morrowind and prolly roll 4 wardens and just move on

And just in case, Deltia - let us know if you are coming back

I really think he is calling it quits to early he has yet to see what they will do later, he might be surprised but maybe he is really just looking for an extra reason to leave because he may have burned himself out on eso.

After catching up on this thread I can still say Deltia seems to be doing what's good for him. Fair play.

His fan base however, yikes some of your are an unstable and conspiracy devouring lot.

Once again, I need to invest in tin foil companies.

Peekachu99 wrote: »

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

Peekachu99 wrote: »

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

Peekachu99 wrote: »

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

lordrichter wrote: »

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

He's absolutely wrong, about the devs btw. They dont lisen even if you are positive. If they want it to stay in the game, it stays. The only way to make them change their minds now is hurting their bottom line.

I am not concerned about them not listening to the players enough. I am more concerned about them listening to the players too much. I want them to have a vision, and execute on that vision. I would also like that vision to be the same vision each time they execute on it. If player suggestions align with that vision, I want them to take those suggestions. If the player is suggesting something that they think improves the game, but conflicts with the vision, I want ZOS to ignore it.

My interpretation of the most recent class changes is that they have decided that they lost their way and are returning to their vision. Through incremental changes, they have drifted. This is a course correction back to their vision.

Right now, I do not honestly believe that they are trying to make Warden an OP, must have, class in order to sell copies of Morrowind. I expect that the role of Warden, in terms of sales, rests in the special effects unique to the class, not how the skills perform relative to the other classes. For balance, I would be working really hard to make sure that the Warden was able to compete with the other classes so that people who buy Morrowind do not feel like they got ripped off, while making sure that the new class is not OP. It is a very narrow path, one that is complicated by the whole "pillar" thing that is impacting the other classes on top of the class balancing that is going on.

Okay.

If the idea didn't change every two or three months I'd be alot more perceptive, as it stands, their just rocking the boat for no reason. Lets design the game around DPS timers then nerf your ability to DPS.

What? There are a handful of dps timer mechanics in the PVE side of the game. RoM. Maybe the Swords in a Trial? That's it. VMA can be done with tank in Bahraha's/ Leeching while swinging heavy attacks and popping a shield, so it's not even a necessity there.

There's also a much more informative post on Reddit, too, where someone has shown that the spread and weighted distribution of the new CP will actually INCREASE base dps, even while factoring in the lower sustain.

DPS is going to go up, for those folks who can invest all their CP. It takes a few minutes to either read the patch notes, or to investigate baseless presumptions before assuming they're true, and people really need to start doing the latter because so many of you are being ridiculous. It's really embarassing for grown adults (I'm assuming) to be having these kind of tantrums. I've been guilty of this kind of behavior before, and that means that it's time for me to step away from whatever (suposedly fun) activity has subverted my pleasantness and civilty and turned me into a frothing idiot.

P.S. MMORPGs change the meta constantly. WoW reinvents itself with each expansion, and on a much grander scale than what ZoS is doing. I'm wondering how many MMORPGs many of you have actually played before.

Wrong. Wrong on almost every account.

There are multiple DPS timers. Skoria. Both SOTH dungeons, Lord Warden, I could go on and on, even Mobs so innane as the flesh atro's on ICP. Many fights are designed to where the longer you spend, the harder it gets, and that's the crux of the issue. The game was designed, newer content especially, around the sustain we had. And until I see patch notes lowering mob health or resistances, the center cannot hold at it's current form.

DPS isn't going to go up, and the content hasn't been edited for the current DPS level. So..

Also, I have played a few. And I've actually played WoW. Wanna know the difference between this game and WoW? Even when it edits how a class plays, how many abilities, you get the idea...you still learn by -playing the game-. You still learn almost everything piecemeal because of how WoW is setup.

Comparing this game to WoW only highlights how this games disconnect is terribad. You can crush dissent all you like, you can villify people with an opposing opinion, calling them children, crazy, what have you, but it dosent change that this game is eating itself alive.

Wrong? Hardly. Lord Warden does not have an enrage timer, I'm questioning if you know what that is. The fight can go on indefinitely. As well, the suggestion that Skoria (without the tome, which is an option) has a timer worth mentioning is erroneous. If it takes your group all five platforms and then some to burn the boss, no patch or reversal of nerfs will help you--there's a composition issue. Furthermore, Flesh Atros in ICP can and should be run past outside of the 2nd boss; and, if you have more than one or two that spawn during that fight, you've FAILED MECHANICS NOT A DPS CHECK. (Alternatively with great dps and a solid tank you can actually ignore mechanics and stack and burn whatever spawns).

Now that we've cleared that up, please cite these multiple dps timers which have, as you've said, been cemented into the foundation of the game.

Again, dps will be universally HIGHER with CP allocation in Morrowind, not lower--even though sustain will be down. Hop on PTS and see for yourself. I did. And the numbers are great.

Whether it's a DPS timer, or a fight designed where the more time you spend, the harder it is, my point stands. They are almost the exact same thing for the sake of DPS's effect on the game.

And DPS will go down, -overall-. Sustain will go down. therefor, your ability to continuously do damage will too.

Your point is still wrong. All of the examples you cited, I proved to be factually incorrect and as not being "dps checks" by definition of what an MMORPG "dps check" is, wherein an unavoidable mechanic is triggered (usually fatal) if a dps threshold is not passed within a cetain period of time. Something getting "harder" because members of your party have poor skills, reaction times, resource management, whatever, is not a dps check--it's an unfortunate group composition. These people will still be bad next patch. Nothing will change that. There are very few fights in the game with one-shot timed mechanics, or waves of infinitely spawning adds that will certainly wipe the party. Claiming that the game is based around such mechanics, as you did, is just plain wrong. The end. Moving on, you say you've been around the block in MMORPGs, and if you had, you'd be familiar with any number of WoW's bosses, or even FFXIV's, which literally wipe the raid when said check isn't passed.

And again, average damage will go UP with the new CP distribution. They raised the floor. You can invest half way in most CP to get 75% of the gains, which means you can invest in TWICE AS MANY CP nodes. Someone's already done the calculations on Reddit. Go there, and it's either the top post or the stickied one. There's even a node that increases DIRECT DAMAGE, which you can then pair with all the other damage raising passives. Did you read the patch notes? Did anyone? Or are they just dipping their hands into the cess and spreading around the diarreah that everyone's caught here.

The only thing people have to do is throw a *** reduction glyph or two on and their damage will still be higher than it was in Homestead. That's why I find this whole circus of outrage hilarious, and sad.

There are a few dps checks in the game though, that cannot be denied-

The 1st boss in vMoL- finite time to kill him or wipe
Rakkhat's execute phase in vMoL- finite time to kill or wipe
I believe the Mages execute phase in vAA is as well (never actually failed it so not 100% on this one) - damage ramps up over time, not sure if she wipes after certain time period
Potentially the Serpent in vSO (double Manti's and ever increasing totems)
Valerial in vAA- if you can't down most of her shades in time the explosion will wipe

Atronachs in vICP- start 1shotting everyone if not killed within certain timeframe

Some final bosses in dungeons are fairly close to dps checks, although some more punishing than others
Eg
Skoria
vRoM hm
Tempest Island hm