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Late to the Party: What's the Hype behind Sharpened Inferno from Maelstrom?
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Hey guys, I'm just curious after seeing months of this now.
What is so desirable about the Sharpened Inferno Staff, or in fact any staff from Maelstrom? I mean, I get it gives an extra perk - but does it serve any benefit to somebody who doesn't have use for the perk given?
Obviously I looked up the weapon, to see what's so good - and from what I see its perk only affects the ability Wall of Elements, which I don't even use - so it seems as though for somebody like me, this is undesirable.
I'm only curious because I have 2 characters that use staffs, but I just use a crafted staff I made myself, maxed to Legendary. I'm wondering if there's any reason I would want these weapons if I don't use that ability? Is the Sharpened trait inherently more strong on Master Weapons?
Or is this really just a thing to benefit Wall of Elements users, and card blanche for me to skip out on farming?
Edited by lagrue on April 20, 2017 10:12PM What is so desirable about the Sharpened Inferno Staff, or in fact any staff from Maelstrom? I mean, I get it gives an extra perk - but does it serve any benefit to somebody who doesn't have use for the perk given?
Obviously I looked up the weapon, to see what's so good - and from what I see its perk only affects the ability Wall of Elements, which I don't even use - so it seems as though for somebody like me, this is undesirable.
I'm only curious because I have 2 characters that use staffs, but I just use a crafted staff I made myself, maxed to Legendary. I'm wondering if there's any reason I would want these weapons if I don't use that ability? Is the Sharpened trait inherently more strong on Master Weapons?
Or is this really just a thing to benefit Wall of Elements users, and card blanche for me to skip out on farming?
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✭For me seeing someone carrying a maelstrom weapon means something, it's a symbol of success and expert at PVE contents. You can be sure to get through any dungeon if your group has one of those guy in it.
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✭✭✭Basically if you're a magicka dps, you'll want to use Wall of Elements in your rotation because it's too good to pass out on even without MA staff buff. It synergizes really well with like every single endgame magicka dps build.2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭For me seeing someone carrying a maelstrom weapon means something, it's a symbol of success and expert at PVE contents. You can be sure to get through any dungeon if your group has one of those guy in it.
Not true...
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✭✭✭✭✭Enemy-of-Coldharbour wrote: »
I personally can't say I've encountered too many bad players using Maelstrom Weapons. I'm not saying that they don't exist, as I've come across maybe 1 or 2. But as a whole, most seem pretty knowledgeable of the game.Edited by Ch4mpTW on April 20, 2017 10:29PM2 -
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✭Enemy-of-Coldharbour wrote: »
Yeh, just the ones who paid others to farm vma for them.2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Shader_Shibes wrote: »Enemy-of-Coldharbour wrote: »
Yeh, just the ones who paid others to farm vma for them.
Bingo. Lmao. But then again, they don't even count. I left those completely out of the equation. Same with the CP100's and what not with MoL skins. I don't even consider them as true Maw completionists. Even worse are the ones with Drom-A'thra Destroyer. And yet, they aren't on any leaderboards or in any end-game guild. But still have that title and skin. Makes you wonder how they got it, considering they aren't even halfway at the CP cap.0 -
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✭Shader_Shibes wrote: »Enemy-of-Coldharbour wrote: »
Yeh, just the ones who paid others to farm vma for them.
Like they put an ad on Craigslist looking for a lady of the night and then invited them in and asked them to farm vma?Edited by WalksonGraves on April 20, 2017 11:12PM0 -
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✭✭Its a BiS weapon in PvE that increases your DPS by about 1-2k depending on your consistency with light attack weaving.
Basically, Wall of Elements is an extremely strong DoT (one of the strongest in the game) used in literally every magicka PvE DPS build. Light attacks are also a huge contributing factor to your DPS (about 10% of total damage on most builds). The reason why its specifically the Inferno staff is due to the fact that the Fire Wall does 20% extra damage to targets with a Burning Status effect applied to them (basically 100% of the time) and also due to the fact that Dragonknights have an ability that increases all flame damage by 10%. Sharpened is the best trait for damage dealing by a huge margin in all aspects of the game (PvP and PvE). So yeah... That's basically what the hype is all about.@ Izaki #PCEU
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✭✭✭✭✭WalksonGraves wrote: »Shader_Shibes wrote: »Enemy-of-Coldharbour wrote: »
Yeh, just the ones who paid others to farm vma for them.
Like they put an ad on Craigslist looking for a lady of the night and then invited them in and asked them to farm vma?
I have a confession - yes, I have occasionally wondered how this might logistically be accomplished...
anyone interested in a sleep over...lots of space, good food, good booze, good company, good drugs...just gotta bring those happy vma busting thumbs with ya...Edited by geonsocal on April 20, 2017 11:34PMPVP Campaigns Section: Playstation NA and EU (Gray Host) - This Must be the Place1 -
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You.. what now? I'll just pretend I didn't read that.and from what I see its perk only affects the ability Wall of Elements, which I don't even use - so it seems as though for somebody like me, this is undesirable.
Master weapons are garbage, Maelstrom weapons are BiS. Sharpened is BiS in practically every case. Precise blablabla Group pen blablabla, go sharpened or go home.Is the Sharpened trait inherently more strong on Master Weapons?
Please go to http://alcasthq.com , daddy @Alcast will teach you the ways of the sharpened.Edited by Majeure on April 20, 2017 11:55PM0 -
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You.. what now? I'll just pretend I didn't read that.and from what I see its perk only affects the ability Wall of Elements, which I don't even use - so it seems as though for somebody like me, this is undesirable.
Master weapons are garbage, Maelstrom weapons are BiS. Sharpened is BiS in practically every case. Precise blablabla Group pen blablabla, go sharpened or go home.Is the Sharpened trait inherently more strong on Master Weapons?
Please go to http://alcasthq.com , daddy @Alcast will teach you the ways of the sharpened.
I have never been in the meta or know as to what other people use, I know how I'm set up, I destroy the gameplay I do partake in which is only limited to regular campaign and dungeons. I haven't actually done any vet content and I'll admit it.
On my Fire DK I built mostly with skills that added fire damage or magic damage, and some sustainability - in fact my other weapon bar is dedicated to Resto, so I have 5 skills to spare for my Destruction bar. I can kill regular 32k health enemies in 2 hits usually, which is more than good enough for me to be happy.
On my Sorc I have only one bar I use, because I only use her to farm stuff, such a cheesy character. I just built for lightning like crazy and spell crit, and now Pulsar wrecks - add that in with lightning form, two pets and you're honestly laughing.
But because I use Pulsar, that is what I'm not understanding about wall of Elements, why would I want to target in front of me, in an area enemies can easily walk out of, when I can target all around me? I've never had an issue with my build, but i guess it's because I've never done the super number crunching.
I've tried to understand the damage formulas but even Einstein would struggle with this stuff.
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It increses dps by a lot in pve.
In pvp you can use it with poisons without losing the spell damage bonus.
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Well clearly then none of it matters to you, if you're happy doing whatever casual content you're doing, where you can literally just heavy attack everything to death and use no skills whatsoever. That is the overworld and normal content in this game.
You.. what now? I'll just pretend I didn't read that.and from what I see its perk only affects the ability Wall of Elements, which I don't even use - so it seems as though for somebody like me, this is undesirable.
Master weapons are garbage, Maelstrom weapons are BiS. Sharpened is BiS in practically every case. Precise blablabla Group pen blablabla, go sharpened or go home.Is the Sharpened trait inherently more strong on Master Weapons?
Please go to http://alcasthq.com , daddy @Alcast will teach you the ways of the sharpened.
I have never been in the meta or know as to what other people use, I know how I'm set up, I destroy the gameplay I do partake in which is only limited to regular campaign and dungeons. I haven't actually done any vet content and I'll admit it.
Now if you want to improve and go further, and be effective, check out the link I gave you. You'll learn a lot there.1 -
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You.. what now? I'll just pretend I didn't read that.and from what I see its perk only affects the ability Wall of Elements, which I don't even use - so it seems as though for somebody like me, this is undesirable.
Master weapons are garbage, Maelstrom weapons are BiS. Sharpened is BiS in practically every case. Precise blablabla Group pen blablabla, go sharpened or go home.Is the Sharpened trait inherently more strong on Master Weapons?
Please go to http://alcasthq.com , daddy @Alcast will teach you the ways of the sharpened.
I have never been in the meta or know as to what other people use, I know how I'm set up, I destroy the gameplay I do partake in which is only limited to regular campaign and dungeons. I haven't actually done any vet content and I'll admit it.
On my Fire DK I built mostly with skills that added fire damage or magic damage, and some sustainability - in fact my other weapon bar is dedicated to Resto, so I have 5 skills to spare for my Destruction bar. I can kill regular 32k health enemies in 2 hits usually, which is more than good enough for me to be happy.
On my Sorc I have only one bar I use, because I only use her to farm stuff, such a cheesy character. I just built for lightning like crazy and spell crit, and now Pulsar wrecks - add that in with lightning form, two pets and you're honestly laughing.
But because I use Pulsar, that is what I'm not understanding about wall of Elements, why would I want to target in front of me, in an area enemies can easily walk out of, when I can target all around me? I've never had an issue with my build, but i guess it's because I've never done the super number crunching.
I've tried to understand the damage formulas but even Einstein would struggle with this stuff.
It's pretty simple for WoE actually. It's a DoT. Which means that while in order to keep doing damage with Impulse you gotta spam it, you can just drop WoE and then do other things for dps as it ticks their health away.
WoE isn't even about being effective against multiple enemies (it does work great there but if it was just for that, Impulse could probably still be better), it's long and strong enough to be used against single target bosses as well - you go on back bar with vMA staff, drop WoE, drop whatever others dots you got(Liquid and familiar pulse for sorc for example, also Curse), get back to front bar and weave your spammable with light attacks until the dots expire, then rinse and repeat - that's the way to get highest dps in the game right now(there're also heavy attack builds thst weave heavies instead and will probably become even more of a thing with upcoming Morrowind changes due to all the sustain nerfs).
It doesn't really matter for overworld content because stuff there is usually dead before you're done dropping the dots, but say in a vet dungeon when your enemy has 6 mil health it gives you a bit of a different perspective, not to mention trials
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✭✭✭✭✭OP you make a good point, you do need to be using the skill to get the gain from the enchant. Same with vDSA weopons.
So if you dint use it, say in PvP there is less of a gain. If you run trials and min / max you need the staff and that skill
HOWEVER there is a small gain in Spell Damage too, jist from slotting it. So without the skill you do still gain, and alpt of setups end up with the weopon being non set.Xbox One | EU | EP
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