Please lower the price for Old Mistveil Manor

Gargath · April 2017

Why? Because it has almost the same size as Mournoth Keep (medium house) which has even larger courtyard, but costs ~700k less.
Why is the Manor so expensive? Because of the location? Or because you name it large house?
I wish I had enough gold to buy it but I managed to harvest less than a milion for 2 years of eso and I wish not to spend all on the house.

Tan9oSuccka · April 2017

It's not a good value. I would say buy Autumns Gate instead.

Nords got screwed on Old Mistveil as the "large home".

Gargath · April 2017

I was thinking about Autumns Gate, yes, but I already have Humblemud and know all pros and cons of small house

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I'd like to have medium house with small garden out in the wilds in Skyrim, but not in a middle of city, like the Grymharth's Woe in Wildhelm, which even does not have any garden. And for a decent price, approx 300-400k is max.
Skyrim housings need more love, such a beautiful place with poor selection of houses.

Tan9oSuccka · April 2017

I have all three. I like Autumns gate the best. Old Mistveil just seems like an awkward property. The outside is too small to do much with and the inside is a carbon copy of the house in Windhelm.

Honestly, Hundings palace is the nicest of the large homes but sadly Redguard.

Taleof2Cities · April 2017

Tan9oSuccka wrote: »

Honestly, Hundings palace is the nicest of the large homes but sadly Redguard.

Speak for yourself, Redguard architecture is pretty awesome and reflective of a proud and hardy people.

Tan9oSuccka · April 2017

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

Tan9oSuccka wrote: »

Honestly, Hundings palace is the nicest of the large homes but sadly Redguard.

Speak for yourself, Redguard architecture is pretty awesome and reflective of a proud and hardy people.

I like Redguard style. I'm just sad the property size is not even close to the Nord equivalent.

Balamoor · April 2017

I personally think it's a fair price, especially considering how easy it is to make gold in this game.

What is it lately with all these threads either asking for lower prices or begging for Free stuff?

Gargath · April 2017

Balamoor wrote: »

I personally think it's a fair price, especially considering how easy it is to make gold in this game.

What is it lately with all these threads either asking for lower prices or begging for Free stuff?

Thank you for sharing your opinion, but what is easy for you my friend, may not be so easy for others.

What is it lately with all these replies from people either pretending that all in this game is so easily obtainable or thinking that it should be easy for everyone?

Why do you think it's a fair price, just because You are able to afford it, or there are other vital reasons I'm not aware of?

Skayaq · April 2017

Tan9oSuccka wrote: »

It's not a good value. I would say buy Autumns Gate instead.

Nords got screwed on Old Mistveil as the "large home".

They got screwed on their medium house as well, but Autumn's Gate is imo the best value small house.

RandomSilliness · April 2017

Wow, I finally found a place to voice this (same) concern. I too am looking to buy a (second) home, and was looking at Mistveil Manor. I liked it a lot until I saw what I could buy with the same money.

I do not understand why the developers/artists went to such trouble to make over 45 distinct homes, and then price them such that everybody buys the same 10-15 houses. Google "eso housing bang for your buck" and read any forum you like. It's the same story everywhere. I wish I had access to the raw data and could run some queries to show ownership stats, but I don't. So, as best I could, I started cataloging the size of the yard, the floor space, and the included numbers and types of furnishings. I compared Mistveil Manor to Mathiisen Manor. Holy Mother of Akatosh! The value gap is a spectacular embarrassment. Here are some disturbing differences (some numbers are exact, but not all):

Mistveil: Approx 160 furnishings, including 4 counters, 4 tables, 1 painting (small), 11 small wrinkled rugs, 4 tapestries (the same one), 1 divider (blue).
Mathiisen: Approx 280 furnishings, including 9 counters, 14 tables (mostly purples), 8 paintings (all purples, all crown-only purchases), 12 rugs (the nice ones), 11 tapestries, 5 dividers (all purple).

Mistveil is the same price (within 2.5%), but with 120 fewer furnishings, 1/3 the floor space, and 1/3 the land. The cost of buying just one average furnishing is greater than the difference between these two places.

I just want to understand "why". I do not believe anything can be done to remedy the disparity without causing even more grief with players. One possibility would be to alter the landscape around Mistveil such that it has the undisputed, unparalleled, spectacular view that it should have had from it's deck.

RandomSilliness · April 2017

Actually I just thought of another way to bump up the value of Mistveil, without altering existing stuff: Extend the yard's invisible barrier up and back, so that owners could build paths and structures up the mountain behind the house.

Gargath · April 2017

RandomSilliness wrote: »

I just want to understand "why". I do not believe anything can be done to remedy the disparity without causing even more grief with players. One possibility would be to alter the landscape around Mistveil such that it has the undisputed, unparalleled, spectacular view that it should have had from it's deck.

To me the most interesting thing in Skyrim houses is the ambient music that is played on this territory. Mainly by this reason I wish to settle in Skyrim. The landscape is secondary, I just wish to listen to this music all the time. Play it in Mournoth Keep area and I swear I'll buy this house for 300k even today

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Fishoscandi · April 2017

Skayaq wrote: »

Tan9oSuccka wrote: »

It's not a good value. I would say buy Autumns Gate instead.

Nords got screwed on Old Mistveil as the "large home".

They got screwed on their medium house as well, but Autumn's Gate is imo the best value small house.

Maybe on the outside. I bought Twin Arches because the indoor space seemed larger. But Autumn's Gate beats Twin Arches on the outside.

Kodrac · April 2017

I have Autumn's Gate. I really like the yard but the inside is just one room without much wall space so it makes the decorating a little difficult for creativity. Twin Arches is by far my favorite that I've gotten so far. I love the Redguard furniture and there's still plenty of space inside for a small home to get creative, plus the patio outside. I put the well from Hew's Bane achievements in the yard to liven it up a bit.

RandomSilliness · April 2017

Kodrac wrote: »

I have Autumn's Gate. I really like the yard but the inside is just one room without much wall space so it makes the decorating a little difficult for creativity....

I've been experimenting with Autumn's Gate on the PTS. If you're careful you can add interior walls that look real match the existing walls; thereby creating distinct rooms and additional wall space. It's not palatial, but you can have 3 totally separate rooms without feeling crowded or resorting to those silly, overpriced "dividers".

The more I look around and experiment, the happier I am with my first home (Ravenhurst). Autumn's Gate seems to be the only other place with a really good view. Just like Ravenhurst, you have to get above the fence to see it. Once you see what Autumn's Gate and Ravenhurst have to offer for a view, you'll giggle at everything else. I was expecting Mistveil Manor to have a view similar to Autumn's Gate, but it's not even close.

Mettaricana · April 2017

Gargath wrote: »

RandomSilliness wrote: »

I just want to understand "why". I do not believe anything can be done to remedy the disparity without causing even more grief with players. One possibility would be to alter the landscape around Mistveil such that it has the undisputed, unparalleled, spectacular view that it should have had from it's deck.

To me the most interesting thing in Skyrim houses is the ambient music that is played on this territory. Mainly by this reason I wish to settle in Skyrim. The landscape is secondary, I just wish to listen to this music all the time. Play it in Mournoth Keep area and I swear I'll buy this house for 300k even today .

Wish our houses jad both selectable music and weather make it be like a craftable sigil like weather sigil and melodic sigil place it some where and the weather in your housing instance would change as does the music.

Id love to have the bgm for gold coast or night time on bleackrock that has the pretty piano tune

Majeure · April 2017

Manor or gtfo.

Anything less is cheap and for casuals.

Gargath · April 2017

Mettaricana wrote: »

Wish our houses jad both selectable music and weather make it be like a craftable sigil like weather sigil and melodic sigil place it some where and the weather in your housing instance would change as does the music.
Id love to have the bgm for gold coast or night time on bleackrock that has the pretty piano tune

I fully agree to the idea, and I think we have not enough night time in ESO in general. Nights are too short and days are to often. Music chosen on request is also a good idea for our own instance. But probably it's too hard to make it for ZOS.

Hutch679 · April 2017

Don't buy Morrowind

Gargath · April 2017

Hutch679 wrote: »

Don't buy Morrowind

Could you pls stop spamming the above on forum?
You did it 11 Times so far, the same short message in different threads.
Thank you in advance.

Gargath · April 2017

Have to say I ended up in Grymharth's, because my main is a thief and Windhelm is a perfect city for making crimes.
Can live without garden now but for a fairness this house should have at least a nice basement - a perfect hideout for thief and his loot.

Ch4mpTW · April 2017

Autumn's Gate is a solid house, when looking at the amount that is asked of it. While I don't own it, I have a few buddies who own it. And it's a nice little spot, in my opinion.

However, if you're interested in lots of space, and are 1 of those people who is super creative? I'd recommend: Strident Springs (I think that's the imperial house), Forsaken Stronghold, Hunding's Palatial Palace, or Grand Topal Hideaway. Those places have plenty of space, look amazing, are great values for the asking price, and often leave you wandering around wondering what to do.

RandomSilliness · May 2017

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

... if you're interested in lots of space, and are 1 of those people who is super creative? I'd recommend: Strident Springs (I think that's the imperial house), Forsaken Stronghold, Hunding's Palatial Palace, or Grand Topal Hideaway....

You forgot Mathiisen.

Indeed, some places have tons of space for the price. Gorinir Estate is another, if you're mostly into outdoor stuff, and/or you like to build UP. I tend to prefer decorating the slightly smaller spaces, focusing on more intimate focal points with a lot of detail/thought in them. Strident Springs is also good for that indoors, but I was kind of disappointed with the restrictions to building up near the waterfall. I've been helping a friend decorate Hundings, and I'm kind of lost indoors there (it's sooo big), so I've been focusing on expansive outdoor projects instead.

Even if you ignore the overall size of house and yard, two prefurnished homes at nearly the same price (crowns in this case) ought to have roughly equal numbers, rarity, and quality of furnishings. The disparity between Mistveil and some others is just unforgivable. We're not talking about weapon/class/environment balance, where complicated formulas, unanticipated builds, and group/solo dynamics can radically upset all the careful dev work. There's no reason for housing costs/values to be so lopsided. It's not complicated. There are no moving parts.

Tan9oSuccka · May 2017

Twin arches is neat, but the invisible wall around the roof top sent me into 73,000G rage.

Still a nice property though.

SilverWF · May 2017

I found this one is the best from "under 400k" houses http://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Domus+Phrasticus

Nestor · May 2017

Gargath wrote: »

I'd like to have medium house with small garden out in the wilds in Skyrim, but not in a middle of city, like the Grymharth's Woe in Wildhelm, which even does not have any garden. And for a decent price, approx 300-400k is max.
Skyrim housings need more love, such a beautiful place with poor selection of houses.

@Gargath

Mournoth Keep is tailor made for you. It is my favorite of all houses. Nice home size, nice garden area with several areas you can do things with. I set up a crafting area with all my assistants just up the stairs to the left. I have other areas I can set things up at in the garden. House is not too big so it feels like you will never furnish it, but it small enough that you don't feel like your spending all your time walking around.

http://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Mournoth+Keep

Right next to a Wayhrine too so going other places is easy and free. Also, a Dolmen that can drop Spriggans Jewlery is a hop skip and a jump away.

323,000 Gold

Wreuntzylla · May 2017

RandomSilliness wrote: »

I do not understand why the developers/artists went to such trouble to make over 45 distinct homes, and then price them such that everybody buys the same 10-15 houses.

They didn't. Every property you can buy, except perhaps Topal, was already in the game. Most from day 1.

However, the customization system is the best I have seen in a game, so your point is still valid. It would be even better if they sell modular expansions.

xaraan · May 2017

Old Mistveil is probably my favorite home out of all the ones I've gotten so far. I actually purposefully look for the smallest home in each category so I get the most out of the undersized build space given to us. It's the only home that size or bigger I've seen where I've filled it up with all kinds of clutter to wear it doesn't look like it has empty sections. To me, that actually makes it valuable more than just having more space.

BUT, if ZOS every fixes the lame amount of build slots they give us, my opinion would change.

RandomSilliness · May 2017

Wreuntzylla wrote: »

RandomSilliness wrote: »

I do not understand why the developers/artists went to such trouble to make over 45 distinct homes, and then price them such that everybody buys the same 10-15 houses.

They didn't. Every property you can buy, except perhaps Topal, was already in the game. Most from day 1.

However, the customization system is the best I have seen in a game, so your point is still valid. It would be even better if they sell modular expansions.

The exterior shells existed, but final choices about interior, yard, pre-furnished contents, and--most importantly--the price, were made during homestead. We're just asking for prices that don't appear to products of the RNG.

RandomSilliness · May 2017

xaraan wrote: »

Old Mistveil is probably my favorite home out of all the ones I've gotten so far. I actually purposefully look for the smallest home in each category so I get the most out of the undersized build space given to us. It's the only home that size or bigger I've seen where I've filled it up with all kinds of clutter to wear it doesn't look like it has empty sections. To me, that actually makes it valuable more than just having more space.

BUT, if ZOS every fixes the lame amount of build slots they give us, my opinion would change.

That's the thing I noticed about the really big places. They're going to seem rather empty when you hit the item limit (even for ESO+). I'm tempted to buy one of those high-value-per-coin places that has a buttload of furnishings, and then creatively hide/wall-off entire wings that will remain hidden and empty.

You might find Ravenhurst to your liking.