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Stygian Set changes...erm wut?
Nemesis7884
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"Stygian: This item set no longer increases your Spell Damage and Max Magicka by 20% while sneaking or invisible; instead, it increases your damage done with Magicka abilities by 20% while sneaking or invisible."
A.) set is still medium ...?
B.) I assume you still can't sneak-attack with a magicka ability? except maybe veiled strike?
they should have at least change it to light armor no...?
A.) set is still medium ...?
B.) I assume you still can't sneak-attack with a magicka ability? except maybe veiled strike?
they should have at least change it to light armor no...?
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Sheezabeast✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭good question!Grand Master Crafter, Beta baby who grew with the game. PC/NA. @Sheezabeast if you have crafting needs!0 -
Nemesis7884✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭or at least make jewelery easier to find (or available at all?)
the set seems worse than before if this was possible?Edited by Nemesis7884 on April 19, 2017 9:11AM4 -
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✭✭✭✭✭The Set bonus is different from the Sneak Attack bonus. You still can't sneak attack with Magic but this set is adding the damage buff to an attack you do while Hidden anyway. I'm guessing this is ZOS's way of trying to give Magic users some kind of means to Gank?CP2,100 Master Explorer - AvA Two Star Warlord - Console Peasant - Khajiiti Aficionado - The Clan
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Runschei✭✭✭✭✭
✭I guess only stamina nb gankers would benefit from this with surprise attack. Even tho patch notes say crit will be removed from stealth, SA will still stun.
I say stamina because I've never tried ganking with a magica nb0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭The Set bonus is different from the Sneak Attack bonus. You still can't sneak attack with Magic but this set is adding the damage buff to an attack you do while Hidden anyway. I'm guessing this is ZOS's way of trying to give Magic users some kind of means to Gank?
but then making it medium armor?
so basically you need a 5 set bonus to get an inferior sneak attack with a wrong armor set you can get fro free if you play a stamina build...? good job
maybe im not creative enough but i don't see the point...and surprise attack is a stamina ability and no stamina nb would use concealed weapon - besides, sets shouldnt be class minded but open for all...
I would like a set with a more magicka focused assassin in mind and this could be it if they only put some thought into it...maybe im stupid but i don't see any improvement nor how this could workEdited by Nemesis7884 on April 19, 2017 9:20AM1 -
GrigorijMalahevich✭✭✭✭✭Jewellery and dual wield? If ring and neck are only stam, then you can use blue food for PvP, but I think it does drop arcane jewellery.PC/EU 800 CP.
PvP MagSorc.Pedro Gonzales - Mag Sorc EP vMA Flawless Conqueror clear http://imgur.com/a/CB6j6
Valera Progib - Stam Sorc DC vMA Flawless Conqueror clear https://i.imgur.com/eYgpXG2.png
Valera Pozhar - Mag DK EP vMA Flawless Conqueror clear http://imgur.com/a/jrsuK
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✭✭✭✭Stygian won't drop in Arcane, sorry @Valera Progib It still confuses me why Stygian gives magicka bonuses as medium armour and Prisoner's Rags give stam bonuses as light armour. Old carry over from the days of softcaps I guess.Edited by AzraelKrieg on April 19, 2017 9:22AMGold Dragons Guildmaster PC-NACR2000+Kalthar Wolf-Brother – EP Templar - 50 Maeli Valen - EP NB - 50Naps-During-Trials – EP Templar - 50Rulnakh - EP Sorc - 50Azrael Krieg - EP NB – 50Uvithasa Telvanni – EP DK – 50More-Tail - EP Warden - 50Narile Galen - EP Sorc - 50Bone Soldier - EP Necro - 50Naps-During-Trails - EP Necro - 502 -
GrigorijMalahevich✭✭✭✭✭@AzraelKrieg Stygian named rings drop in arcane.PC/EU 800 CP.
PvP MagSorc.Pedro Gonzales - Mag Sorc EP vMA Flawless Conqueror clear http://imgur.com/a/CB6j6
Valera Progib - Stam Sorc DC vMA Flawless Conqueror clear https://i.imgur.com/eYgpXG2.png
Valera Pozhar - Mag DK EP vMA Flawless Conqueror clear http://imgur.com/a/jrsuK
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Kerioko✭✭✭✭The 20% magicka was what was nice about this set. It was only useful on a very niche mNB gank/bombblade build and was usually combined with necro to get around 60K magicka while in stealth. This made opening with an empowered flame staff from heavy give insane damage.Dinosaur Chicken Nuggets - Argonian mNB Tank/Heals (PVP)
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✭✭✭✭Valera Progib wrote: »@AzraelKrieg Stygian named rings drop in arcane.
Forgot about the named rings. The normal ones don't though which are more common.Gold Dragons Guildmaster PC-NACR2000+Kalthar Wolf-Brother – EP Templar - 50 Maeli Valen - EP NB - 50Naps-During-Trials – EP Templar - 50Rulnakh - EP Sorc - 50Azrael Krieg - EP NB – 50Uvithasa Telvanni – EP DK – 50More-Tail - EP Warden - 50Narile Galen - EP Sorc - 50Bone Soldier - EP Necro - 50Naps-During-Trails - EP Necro - 500 -
Araviel2✭✭✭why do we have to change it to light armor? i sometimes need medium magica sets to be able to build undaunted mettle builds. i don´t get it why people always wants us to build less diversive. we need more odd sets, not less so please keep it medium.
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✭The Set bonus is different from the Sneak Attack bonus. You still can't sneak attack with Magic but this set is adding the damage buff to an attack you do while Hidden anyway. I'm guessing this is ZOS's way of trying to give Magic users some kind of means to Gank?
however...
From patch notes:
"Sneak attacks no longer grant a bonus to Critical Damage when used against other players. Sneak attacks will continue to guarantee a Critical Strike and stun the target, and will also still grant a bonus to Critical Damage when used against monsters."
all the endless hours of farming gone to waste on yet another set (along with Bone Pirate Tatters)0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭diversity is great if it works which it doesnt with the current framework - i'd also prefer to have a framework that makes hybrids viable as i personally love hybrid rpg characters more than "pure bloods".... but within the current framework making it light armor would actually make it interesting0 -
Araviel2✭✭✭Nemesis7884 wrote: »diversity is great if it works which it doesnt with the current framework - i'd also prefer to have a framework that makes hybrids viable as i personally love hybrid rpg characters more than "pure bloods".... but within the current framework making it light armor would actually make it interesting
no you are wrong, it does currently work because this set comes in jewlery and weapons too.
making it light would break the undaunted mettle builds that it works for and force us towards more booring monster helmet builds if we want to work whit mettleAraviel -Professional Zerg surfing mutagen spammer [DC-EU]0 -
FlyLionel✭✭✭✭I guess only stamina nb gankers would benefit from this with surprise attack. Even tho patch notes say crit will be removed from stealth, SA will still stun.
I say stamina because I've never tried ganking with a magica nb
@Runschei You never made a bomb blade? I have a magnb and once I get into pvp that is one of the first things I am doing.The Flyers0 -
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✭I guess only stamina nb gankers would benefit from this with surprise attack. Even tho patch notes say crit will be removed from stealth, SA will still stun.
I say stamina because I've never tried ganking with a magica nb
@Runschei You never made a bomb blade? I have a magnb and once I get into pvp that is one of the first things I am doing.
Oh I have the necessary sets for a bomb blade, but I rarely use my magica nb in pvp after I maxed out my stam one. I usually go Azura because I don't want to mess up my pve cp by going TF.0 -
DreadKnight✭✭✭✭RIP another set.
why, why, why do you spend so much resource on developing sets and then nerf them to the ground ZOS?
why don't you just reduce the sets to 10 sets that everybody uses and delete the 50 or so that you wasted our money on developing?0 -
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✭If only the stealth on hvy attack kill effect lasted long enough to get a boosted 2nd hit.0 -
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✭I guess only stamina nb gankers would benefit from this with surprise attack. Even tho patch notes say crit will be removed from stealth, SA will still stun.
I say stamina because I've never tried ganking with a magica nb
@Runschei You never made a bomb blade? I have a magnb and once I get into pvp that is one of the first things I am doing.
I haven't messed with proxy det for a loong time.... pretty much after they nerfed it (a year ago or more now?). I'm I reading the tool tip wrong? The dmg just doesn't seem worth it? Is this one of these builds that you would need multiple people bombing simultaneously to make it worth it? How is a bomblade even practical now? I'd luv to have a tool against the zerg hordes... I wouldn't mind getting murdered, but I'd like to bust their chops a bit. The zerging is getting pretty ridiculous.0 -
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✭DreadKnight wrote: »RIP another set.
why, why, why do you spend so much resource on developing sets and then nerf them to the ground ZOS?
why don't you just reduce the sets to 10 sets that everybody uses and delete the 50 or so that you wasted our money on developing?
best thing that could have happened would have been ZOS raising the gear level... then there might have been enuff pitchforks and torches to get them to rethink some of the changes. As it is, what is PTS will be almost completely unchanged.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭QuebraRegra wrote: »DreadKnight wrote: »RIP another set.
why, why, why do you spend so much resource on developing sets and then nerf them to the ground ZOS?
why don't you just reduce the sets to 10 sets that everybody uses and delete the 50 or so that you wasted our money on developing?
best thing that could have happened would have been ZOS raising the gear level... then there might have been enuff pitchforks and torches to get them to rethink some of the changes. As it is, what is PTS will be almost completely unchanged.
OH GOD please not, more stories, more sets, more skill lines, more horizontal optionas and variety and make hybrid builds viable through some changes - but no vertical increase...0 -
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✭QuebraRegra wrote: »I guess only stamina nb gankers would benefit from this with surprise attack. Even tho patch notes say crit will be removed from stealth, SA will still stun.
I say stamina because I've never tried ganking with a magica nb
@Runschei You never made a bomb blade? I have a magnb and once I get into pvp that is one of the first things I am doing.
I haven't messed with proxy det for a loong time.... pretty much after they nerfed it (a year ago or more now?). I'm I reading the tool tip wrong? The dmg just doesn't seem worth it? Is this one of these builds that you would need multiple people bombing simultaneously to make it worth it? How is a bomblade even practical now? I'd luv to have a tool against the zerg hordes... I wouldn't mind getting murdered, but I'd like to bust their chops a bit. The zerging is getting pretty ridiculous.
immovability potion, mirage, proxy, ambush into crowd with cloak and destro staff ulti + sap. all with vicious death0
