Should they remove champion points?

Shadowasrial · April 2017

Before everyone everyone explodes I have 778 champ points so I'm by no means biased against higher end game players. But I noticed that tons of nerfs being brought to us about balance is from champion points.

Let's remove them all together. This will make it so all gameplay is skill based for the most part. No more extreme builds and new players can catch up easier meaning zos can spend less time catering to new players and nerfing us elites just so they can stand a chance. Instead add more skyshards or better yet add more quests that reward with more skill points. Use these skill points to unlock every passive and every skill.
This would mean that new players could quickly get all the points they need to be end game. Then to help give some of us elite players who have farmed for 2 years give us some sort of compensation I'll let you all discus what kind of compensation we should have. Then further more create unique achievement tier icon ranks to go along side our pvp.
This will make players as they reach milestones of achieving content in the game and label them as true elite players. For every achievement catagory they complete they gain a rank. This would be something for new players to strive for. Skill would be more important. You could fix some skills as new sets become more commonly used. Your builds would be based on armor and your enchants and poisons. And would also bring back the true core uses of your class rather than all these super hybrids. Also this would bring players closer together as there wouldn't be such a huge gap for new players to feel they are ready to play with those of us who have been there since launch.

Lyserus · April 2017

Yes remove them

I just want to be free of all the stupid changes and drama...Azura here I come

grim_tactics · April 2017

Yes remove them

I voted remove but that's because I think the real answer - again - is to separate PvE and PvP and stop with the patches that run the whole board.

They refuse to overhaul CP or admit it's broken and there is no end game insight for what they plan to do. I mean you can't keep raising the CP ceiling. No way that works.

Greevir · April 2017

Yes remove them

I hate the CP system more than the Veteran system.

Tryxus · April 2017

Just remove from PvP

Nebthet78 · April 2017

Remove them from PVP,
Keep them for PVE

Shadowasrial · April 2017

Yes remove them

Tryxus wrote: »

Just remove from PvP

Remove all together. Eliminate the gap of new players and old all together. Make the game skill based instead of numbers based. This will make it so they no longer have to cater to the new players to make them able to do what we do as end game players

QuebraRegra · April 2017

Yes remove them

Greevir wrote: »

I hate the CP system more than the Veteran system.

right there people! now that really is saying something.

I'd like to see it changed to interesting diverse passives like the treasure hunter thing, and some other useful exploration bonus type stuff, but no out right huge increases in dmg, stats, etc.

Nuntjako · April 2017

No don't remove them

No, but change them drastically! I like some of Fengrushs ideas for CP. Instead of flat increases or reductions in stats like a 5piece bonus on a armor set it is now, maybe make them more "perk-oriented" like a certain ability has an additional but small effect, extra runningspeed, extra stealthspeed, you name it. With good and well thought out perks it could offer the game a lot in build diversity.
If they keep the cp system as stat oriented as it is now the game is going to run into the same problems every time they increase the cp cap.

andreasranasen · April 2017

Don't care either way

Scrap the game and start over would be a better option!

ofSunhold · April 2017

Yes remove them

But they need to replace them with something else for horizontal progression, and at least theoretically for variety in builds and gameplay (meta guys will always figure out the best numbers and go there, which is ok, but options are good).

It was an ok idea, just poorly implemented. Give it another shot... maybe.

And they have to give back the things they took away for us to re-earn with CP.

Ohhhh yeah this will go well. lol

infernomorgothb14_ESO · April 2017

Yes remove them

I think there are simply too many CP points available to the player, too many levels. I know they do this to keep people playing the game longer, grinding and grinding to get it all. But it makes the system more convoluted and hard to balance than it already is. I seriously dread the day they raise the gear level from champ 160 to a higher level, I hope they never ever do that.

alexkdd99 · April 2017

No don't remove them

You see I don't mind if they remove them so long as they are replaced by a new progression system. Kind of how champion system replaced veteran ranks. They probably should of never introduced the champion point system to start with. I am a firm believer that mmo's should have progression. And those who have put in time should have an edge over those who haven't.

It's sad that mmo's are going in the direction of give everyone everything immediately. You should have to put time into getting where others who put time in are at. I understand slight catch up mechanics like enlightenment, but really even it progresses people to fast.

If those at the beginning had to put time into getting where they are then others should do the same.

Ghettokid · April 2017

#bringbackveteranranks

alexkdd99 · April 2017

No don't remove them

Shadowasrial wrote: »

Tryxus wrote: »

Just remove from PvP

Remove all together. Eliminate the gap of new players and old all together. Make the game skill based instead of numbers based. This will make it so they no longer have to cater to the new players to make them able to do what we do as end game players

If the new players want to do what old players are then they should put the same time in that the old players did.

It's like when people go make a new trading guild and just expect to be able to have a trader in Rawl'Kha or Mournhold immediately. Those traders didn't get there without time and effort.

I am no fan of games without any kind of progression system.

I don't know how mmo's have slid so far from where they were.

Artemiisia · April 2017

No don't remove them

removed it from pvp
keep it in pve, no way to do veteran trials without it

TheBonesXXX · April 2017

Yes remove them

Remove PvE, make seamless. OWPvP. Doooooo eeeettt.

nimander99 · April 2017

No don't remove them

By the Nine man! Absolutely not! Champion Point System is one of the best features of the game imo. It allows for (basically) unlimited progression. That thing I've always wanted in an MMO, and it just so happens to be in my favorite MMO.

If they removed CP's I would probably quit the game.

Nothing makes me stop playing an MMO faster than hitting level cap...

nimander99 · April 2017

No don't remove them

Although removing it from pvp I see no big deal there, if pvpers want CP's gone from the battlefield then give it to them. Just leave my pve Elder Scrolls Online game alone!

Kiralyn2000 · April 2017

Even without CP, there would still be "balance" patches screwing over either PvP or PvE for the sake of the other. (I know this because I've lived through it in multiple other MMOs with various types of leveling schemes.)

So removing CP wouldn't make a difference. Someone's precious build/class would still get nerfed, forums would still be filled with DOOM™ posts, etc...

ku5h · April 2017

Yes remove them

All this changes are direct result of CP being far to impactful. So they are nerfing core of the classes just so they could push CPs further, even though they must know CP is the reason the problem is there in the first place. If this trend continues, we will be seeing nerfs every 100 CPs, untill all classes loose all the features separating them from each other and theorycrafting will be down to how you spend your CP.

Loves_guars · April 2017

Yes remove them

Ok, but give me free toons for them :P

JamieJammer · April 2017

No don't remove them

Champion points and why you started this game made it to vet ranks to begin with
Same as call of duty and every other game the more you do the better the things you unlock. When we started on console we saw all the pc transfers and what they were capable of and strived to be there. You are supposed to be stronger the more you play same as every other game out there. If we were meant to all be equal we would still be running around in our soul shriven gear upper cutting with a 2 handed as a magicka class. All mmos are a grind and participation trophies shouldn't be given because you don't want to put the time in to get there. Same as the busts. You are basically giving them away instead of making them something you strive to get. Being bad at this game and not doing your research or countless hours improving is being rewarded. Waaaaaaaaaahhhhhh you died in pvp. No one sees your kill death ratio. No one can make friends for you to Zerg with even then if you have a 24 man that can't have specific roles function plan and coordinated leader and movement you aren't going to fare well. Maybe if the people making all the posts about the imbalance could have gotten 2-3 cp in the time it took them to make that post.

Cpt_Teemo · April 2017

No don't remove them

I don't wish them removed cause the stats are beneficial account wide as Vet system was only an id no benefit to it whatsoever and it was per character which was horrible

zaria · April 2017

No don't remove them

alexkdd99 wrote: »

You see I don't mind if they remove them so long as they are replaced by a new progression system. Kind of how champion system replaced veteran ranks. They probably should of never introduced the champion point system to start with. I am a firm believer that mmo's should have progression. And those who have put in time should have an edge over those who haven't.

It's sad that mmo's are going in the direction of give everyone everything immediately. You should have to put time into getting where others who put time in are at. I understand slight catch up mechanics like enlightenment, but really even it progresses people to fast.

If those at the beginning had to put time into getting where they are then others should do the same.

I go so far as saying that an MMO need progression past max level.
gear is most common but ESO does not do itemization well and itemization like in wow is pretty boring as its just a one or two relevant sets. In short you do normal dungeons, then legendary dungeons for gear, finaly raids and legendary raids.
ESO has good gear spread out over the game, you get bis magic gear from an normal dungeon. Best weapon is behind hard solo content.

Shadowasrial · April 2017

Yes remove them

Normally I would agree with many of you who want them to remain but as is it's going to be either they nerf champ points to the point they are pointless and they cater to the new players. Or they nerf the classes themselves which without cp are pretty balanced as far as skills. And they reason I'm cool with no cp is when I went to Azura I was killing players just as easily without cp rather than with because of players who rely completely on those cp. the real skill gap becomes painfully obvious

Anhedonie · April 2017

Yes remove them

Tryxus wrote: »

Just remove PvP

Fixed for ya.

On a serious note, they should return soft caps.

Shadow_Viper_vX · April 2017

No don't remove them

They don't need removed, just changed.

Discussed in this video as well

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u-uvmYxHBN0

Marabornwingrion · April 2017

Ghettokid wrote: »

#bringbackveteranranks

Please, no.

Zvorgin · April 2017

Yes remove them

They need to be changed but in a thought out way so we aren't back at square one in two patches

Majeure · April 2017

Yes remove them

Yes, yes they should.

However, just the benefits of them. Keep the vanity number and let it go on forever, no caps.

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