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Confused on the nerfs rly that bad?
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Jemcrystal✭✭✭✭✭Someone wrote a post once explaining the psychology of nerfs. It was a word wall with an hour long video but I read and watched it all and agree with every bit. Why game makers think nerfs are something players want is beyond me. Wish I had bookmarked that post/vid.1 -
SnubbS✭✭✭✭✭There's one very—I don't think there's a font large enough to express how good this—very good change.
Heavy Armor
Constitution: Reduced the Magicka and Stamina restored by this passive ability by approximately 42%.
That could be the saving grace of this update—it honestly could.1 -
Ch4mpTW✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭leepalmer95 wrote: »people with inability to accept change find it bad
that's about it and they are just trying to flood the forums with their personal opinions
replace 2-3 glyphs on your jewelry with cost reduction
wear other sets than burning spellweave
learn to play to game instead QQ all the way
Stam DK not magicka took it on the chin the most .... seriously even with glyths just no reason to run the class ... nothing personal it's all math
Mag dk already struggle with sustain, they literally only had battleroar and that got nerfed.
Yup. Which is why I made the thread I made titled: "RIP Dragonknights". StamDK just may be dead, but I'm hoping I can cheese it somehow in PvE with my Vicious Serpent gear. If ZOS thinks I'm going to just let all those gold Maelstrom stamina weapons go unused, the joke is on them. I'll probably use my StamSorc far more than my StamDK, however. As that StamSorc has the sauce. But still. Gotta hope for that cheese.
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THEDKEXPERIENCE✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭There's one very—I don't think there's a font large enough to express how good this—very good change.
Heavy Armor
Constitution: Reduced the Magicka and Stamina restored by this passive ability by approximately 42%.
That could be the saving grace of this update—it honestly could.
As someone who wears heavy armor I agree with you completely. Then again I'm the guy who runs an end game PVP heavy armor load out with only 745 magic recovery. It's gonna be funny when I get nerfed to like 500 and manage it fine while other people will be losing their mind with "only" 1200.0 -
THEDKEXPERIENCE✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Cactus316000 wrote: »DivyathFyr wrote: »Ok guys im little confused why everyone's freaking out about the morrowind patch notes?
I wanna know why sure the 2 cp are getting removed and sustain will be more hard
And couple skills of couple classes getting nerfed but also buffed like the cost decrease of dks for example so unless im missing something?
What is every one freaking out about?
Also there be pts for pc players im console btw so if it rly turns out horrible im sure zos will change it then...
Everything I've worked on, gold gear, perfect trait sets, cp distribution. All mean nothing by this patch. Basically all my stamina characters are in a worse place now. Cyrodiil will be plagued by gankers and magic keeps getting buffed
Do you know who didn't get nerfed? Wise people who don't pigeonhole themselves into doing what everyone else does.2 -
Callous2208✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭THEDKEXPERIENCE wrote: »Cactus316000 wrote: »DivyathFyr wrote: »Ok guys im little confused why everyone's freaking out about the morrowind patch notes?
I wanna know why sure the 2 cp are getting removed and sustain will be more hard
And couple skills of couple classes getting nerfed but also buffed like the cost decrease of dks for example so unless im missing something?
What is every one freaking out about?
Also there be pts for pc players im console btw so if it rly turns out horrible im sure zos will change it then...
Everything I've worked on, gold gear, perfect trait sets, cp distribution. All mean nothing by this patch. Basically all my stamina characters are in a worse place now. Cyrodiil will be plagued by gankers and magic keeps getting buffed
Do you know who didn't get nerfed? Wise people who don't pigeonhole themselves into doing what everyone else does.
Scrubs? Lol I kid slightly. But there is no diversity in eso builds. If you're good you use the same thing as everyone else. Luckily I have the gold and mats to switch to whatever the new meta becomes.0 -
Kay1✭✭✭✭✭
✭I will make it quick!
You can now delete your dragonknights and you will be refunded a insta lvl 50 scroll for your warden
Nightblades, well, lol, they are, how can I say it, you know now they suck well next month you will see one and you will be like oh 1k AP
If you are good at this game in PvP you can unninstall because they stated again that the better you are the worst they will make you
If you are not a very good player in PvE you can unninstall because now after 3 attacks you will be at 50% of your resources, tested it just like 20 minutes ago with the exact same amount of reduce cost I will have in Morrowind and a simple rotation of 3 skills in a Stamina character will cost you 12k Stamina so I expect it to be 14k for Magicka.
If you love TES series this patch will be very funny because the 90% of our future DPS will be based on who can spam light attacks, 4 lights attacks 1 skill will still run you out of stamina and magicka after 3 rotations so if you like trials and stuff I recommend you doing them all now before June because once Morrowind hits the elitism in this game will be the biggest one since WoW.
If your plan B was Battlegrounds you can forget it, no CP there, I can wait to spend 10k Stamina for vigor ( it cost me 4k simulating the patch notes) and 7k for Shuffle.
So what did we got from this?
Solo PvP player? Zose used no vaseline on you
Average-Good PvE player? Zos used no vaseline on you
Zerg PvP player? You will finally be able to 1v3 the player that has been 1vXing you with 7 more players since 2014
Elite PvE player? You will be able to charge 30-50M for a carry for the future raid
Casual player? Best TES experience so far because light attacks and heavy attacks are now meta
Small-Scale PvP player? Zose used no vaseline on you
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Yellow_Monolith✭✭✭✭✭THEDKEXPERIENCE wrote: »Cactus316000 wrote: »DivyathFyr wrote: »Ok guys im little confused why everyone's freaking out about the morrowind patch notes?
I wanna know why sure the 2 cp are getting removed and sustain will be more hard
And couple skills of couple classes getting nerfed but also buffed like the cost decrease of dks for example so unless im missing something?
What is every one freaking out about?
Also there be pts for pc players im console btw so if it rly turns out horrible im sure zos will change it then...
Everything I've worked on, gold gear, perfect trait sets, cp distribution. All mean nothing by this patch. Basically all my stamina characters are in a worse place now. Cyrodiil will be plagued by gankers and magic keeps getting buffed
Do you know who didn't get nerfed? Wise people who don't pigeonhole themselves into doing what everyone else does.
Who says I did what everyone else did? Wise people don't make assumptions, they use facts1 -
shadow071179✭✭✭We dont know all the details jet.
So just be calm.
In the end most things work out.
Just adabt a bit and keep playing0 -
Kay1✭✭✭✭✭
✭shadow071179 wrote: »We dont know all the details jet.
So just be calm.
In the end most things work out.
Just adabt a bit and keep playing
Hhahahahaha you know what's funny that this patch note is different, you can only adapt if you are an elite player who perfectly knows how to use rotations, potions and anim cancel, fortunately I can completely simulate the nerfs right now and wow if I struggle with my cancel anim skill, using special mechanics and with synergy I can't imagine how an average, casual, or just good player will do, I really can't imagine and I can't wait for people to try it.K1 The Big Monkey3 -
THEDKEXPERIENCE✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Callous2208 wrote: »THEDKEXPERIENCE wrote: »Cactus316000 wrote: »DivyathFyr wrote: »Ok guys im little confused why everyone's freaking out about the morrowind patch notes?
I wanna know why sure the 2 cp are getting removed and sustain will be more hard
And couple skills of couple classes getting nerfed but also buffed like the cost decrease of dks for example so unless im missing something?
What is every one freaking out about?
Also there be pts for pc players im console btw so if it rly turns out horrible im sure zos will change it then...
Everything I've worked on, gold gear, perfect trait sets, cp distribution. All mean nothing by this patch. Basically all my stamina characters are in a worse place now. Cyrodiil will be plagued by gankers and magic keeps getting buffed
Do you know who didn't get nerfed? Wise people who don't pigeonhole themselves into doing what everyone else does.
Scrubs? Lol I kid slightly. But there is no diversity in eso builds. If you're good you use the same thing as everyone else. Luckily I have the gold and mats to switch to whatever the new meta becomes.
http://imgur.com/fVoSogu
No diversity?0 -
Callous2208✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭THEDKEXPERIENCE wrote: »Callous2208 wrote: »THEDKEXPERIENCE wrote: »Cactus316000 wrote: »DivyathFyr wrote: »Ok guys im little confused why everyone's freaking out about the morrowind patch notes?
I wanna know why sure the 2 cp are getting removed and sustain will be more hard
And couple skills of couple classes getting nerfed but also buffed like the cost decrease of dks for example so unless im missing something?
What is every one freaking out about?
Also there be pts for pc players im console btw so if it rly turns out horrible im sure zos will change it then...
Everything I've worked on, gold gear, perfect trait sets, cp distribution. All mean nothing by this patch. Basically all my stamina characters are in a worse place now. Cyrodiil will be plagued by gankers and magic keeps getting buffed
Do you know who didn't get nerfed? Wise people who don't pigeonhole themselves into doing what everyone else does.
Scrubs? Lol I kid slightly. But there is no diversity in eso builds. If you're good you use the same thing as everyone else. Luckily I have the gold and mats to switch to whatever the new meta becomes.
http://imgur.com/fVoSogu
No diversity?
What does this mean? You posted one toons stat screen and wrote "no diversity." I don't get it.0 -
THEDKEXPERIENCE✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Callous2208 wrote: »THEDKEXPERIENCE wrote: »Callous2208 wrote: »THEDKEXPERIENCE wrote: »Cactus316000 wrote: »DivyathFyr wrote: »Ok guys im little confused why everyone's freaking out about the morrowind patch notes?
I wanna know why sure the 2 cp are getting removed and sustain will be more hard
And couple skills of couple classes getting nerfed but also buffed like the cost decrease of dks for example so unless im missing something?
What is every one freaking out about?
Also there be pts for pc players im console btw so if it rly turns out horrible im sure zos will change it then...
Everything I've worked on, gold gear, perfect trait sets, cp distribution. All mean nothing by this patch. Basically all my stamina characters are in a worse place now. Cyrodiil will be plagued by gankers and magic keeps getting buffed
Do you know who didn't get nerfed? Wise people who don't pigeonhole themselves into doing what everyone else does.
Scrubs? Lol I kid slightly. But there is no diversity in eso builds. If you're good you use the same thing as everyone else. Luckily I have the gold and mats to switch to whatever the new meta becomes.
http://imgur.com/fVoSogu
No diversity?
What does this mean? You posted one toons stat screen and wrote "no diversity." I don't get it.
That is a screen shot of my Magplar from last night. I run it very effectively with only 745 magic recovery. I use a bunch of gear that rarely gets used and theory crafted it from the ground up to get 50k plus magic without even reaching Undaunted 9.
There could be plenty of diversity in this game if people were just willing to try some new things out instead of just crying when ZOS changes something they feel is over performing.0 -
Callous2208✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭THEDKEXPERIENCE wrote: »Callous2208 wrote: »THEDKEXPERIENCE wrote: »Callous2208 wrote: »THEDKEXPERIENCE wrote: »Cactus316000 wrote: »DivyathFyr wrote: »Ok guys im little confused why everyone's freaking out about the morrowind patch notes?
I wanna know why sure the 2 cp are getting removed and sustain will be more hard
And couple skills of couple classes getting nerfed but also buffed like the cost decrease of dks for example so unless im missing something?
What is every one freaking out about?
Also there be pts for pc players im console btw so if it rly turns out horrible im sure zos will change it then...
Everything I've worked on, gold gear, perfect trait sets, cp distribution. All mean nothing by this patch. Basically all my stamina characters are in a worse place now. Cyrodiil will be plagued by gankers and magic keeps getting buffed
Do you know who didn't get nerfed? Wise people who don't pigeonhole themselves into doing what everyone else does.
Scrubs? Lol I kid slightly. But there is no diversity in eso builds. If you're good you use the same thing as everyone else. Luckily I have the gold and mats to switch to whatever the new meta becomes.
http://imgur.com/fVoSogu
No diversity?
What does this mean? You posted one toons stat screen and wrote "no diversity." I don't get it.
That is a screen shot of my Magplar from last night. I run it very effectively with only 745 magic recovery. I use a bunch of gear that rarely gets used and theory crafted it from the ground up to get 50k plus magic without even reaching Undaunted 9.
There could be plenty of diversity in this game if people were just willing to try some new things out instead of just crying when ZOS changes something they feel is over performing.
I somewhat agree but still think diversity is lacking due to mechanics. You're gonna have a bad time on that build with these new changes though.2 -
Ep1kMalware✭✭✭✭✭
✭People fear the unknown. They need to relax and take a deep breath. There is certainly some big nerfs coming next patch, sustainwise especially. And there's some changes that seem upright stupid. But people need to wait and experience the changes before being all doom and gloomy.
Those people maybe. But zos made their intentions pretry known. They thought it's be bad, and found out it's ultrabad.
If you want balance, here's some insight. There is a certain super overperforming class that did not get so much as looked at, while every other class had their stable key elements completely crippled. This change will be bad regardless, but people NEED to loose their minds over there if there's any hope to get meaningful balance changes.
Unless you only want to see stamsorvs in pvp amd magsorcs in pve. Disagree if you must but morrowind =
Sorcs don't get toned down, they get raised on a golden, broken pedestal.3 -
Nuntjako✭✭✭Cactus316000 wrote: »Everything I've worked on, gold gear, perfect trait sets, cp distribution. All mean nothing by this patch. Basically all my stamina characters are in a worse place now. Cyrodiil will be plagued by gankers and magic keeps getting buffed
Who says I did what everyone else did? Wise people don't make assumptions, they use facts[/quote]
You may wanna edit your first post then.
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Manpoints✭✭✭✭Yes its that bad. Who the *** asked for this?
GM of Potato Syndicate, (Gone' Casual) ---- I'MZ A GOD!
GM of Mi Amor Libre Spanish ERP ---- Shadilay
Manpoints - Templar // Womanpoints - DK // Abopoints - NB // Manepoints - NB // Sexypoints - Sorc // Hermann Purring - DK // Browniepoints - Templar // Tigger SMB - Templar // Affirmative Actionpoints - DK // Sha Bipoints - Sorc // Hughe Mungus - DK // Rachel Dolezol - Warden??3 -
Nuntjako✭✭✭Ep1kMalware wrote: »People fear the unknown. They need to relax and take a deep breath. There is certainly some big nerfs coming next patch, sustainwise especially. And there's some changes that seem upright stupid. But people need to wait and experience the changes before being all doom and gloomy.
Those people maybe. But zos made their intentions pretry known. They thought it's be bad, and found out it's ultrabad.
If you want balance, here's some insight. There is a certain super overperforming class that did not get so much as looked at, while every other class had their stable key elements completely crippled. This change will be bad regardless, but people NEED to loose their minds over there if there's any hope to get meaningful balance changes.
Unless you only want to see stamsorvs in pvp amd magsorcs in pve. Disagree if you must but morrowind =
Sorcs don't get toned down, they get raised on a golden, broken pedestal.
You may be right and it's some crappy changes, and you may not. I see some changes I like and I see some I don't, but none of us know until we have tried it. People at least need to test it on pts before they loose their ***.0 -
Fallen_Ray✭✭✭✭✭"Bad" is a point of view. Templars & Dragon Knights were basically decapitated. Resource Regeneration via CP while hasn't hit rock bottom, went down by 40% of its original value. Cost reduction will be a funny memory. Skills in this game have no cooldown like other mmos (already explained in pst notes) but doing this, is a funny way of adding a cooldown, spam the skills too much and you'll be left without resources.
I can see the elegant set gaining some popularity now among magicka DPS, using that set with staff expert will allow you to save magicka for shields, and self heal, using only dot-aoe every once in a while, yup. Spamming force pulse will not be as healthy (if using Destruction Staff). Then again I'm just speculating...Edited by Fallen_Ray on April 18, 2017 3:11PM"Dear brother, I do not spread rumors, I create them"- Lucien Lachance1 -
EldritchPenguin✭✭✭✭✭
Balance doesn't screw up games. Poorly handled balance is what screws up games. Balance is the lifeblood of build diversity, and without it, you get one be-all, end-all for everything, and every other option in the game gets left in the dust.Splattercat_83 wrote: »Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »I think ZOS is just trying to balance thing out.
Right now magicka builds tend to be way better than stamina ones. After this nefs/buffs we might see more diversity in PvP... Who knows...
People keep talking balance, *** balance, Balance is *** over the game.
Although as far as poorly handled balance goes, these PTS notes are just about the best example of terrible balance decisions I've ever seen.Lilelle Adlis - Dark Elf Dragonknight
Vaynothah Sailenar - Dark Elf Templar
Sherivah Telvanni - Dark Elf Sorcerer
Nephiah Telvanni - Dark Elf Nightblade1 -
Firerock2✭✭✭✭✭There's one very—I don't think there's a font large enough to express how good this—very good change.
Heavy Armor
Constitution: Reduced the Magicka and Stamina restored by this passive ability by approximately 42%.
That could be the saving grace of this update—it honestly could.
You can get one shot in light armor on Azura's unless you shield stack. This isn't a saving grace, its going to change the game for the worse.Edited by Firerock2 on April 18, 2017 3:47PM2 -
Doctordarkspawn✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭People fear the unknown. They need to relax and take a deep breath. There is certainly some big nerfs coming next patch, sustainwise especially. And there's some changes that seem upright stupid. But people need to wait and experience the changes before being all doom and gloomy.
The unknown? BAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. That's. Rich.
Warlord and Magician are being removed, as we know them. No more cost reduction from CP.
All armor skills in reguards to sustain are geting a nerf.
Almost all forms of class sustain are geting a nerf. With the notible exeption of sorcs and dark deal.
And the content isn't geting changed one bit, no lower damage, no lower health, to compensate.2 -
Doctordarkspawn✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭There's one very—I don't think there's a font large enough to express how good this—very good change.
Heavy Armor
Constitution: Reduced the Magicka and Stamina restored by this passive ability by approximately 42%.
That could be the saving grace of this update—it honestly could.
For PVP.
For PVE, it *** over every tank and screws those who dont run conventional tank builds.0 -
Narvuntien✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Oh! wait I am dumb, I can't remember the unmorphed names of abilities.
Yep my build is dead great
, I didn't even want to do high level stuff, I just need to be able to heal people behind me.
I like the CP changes those are fine but the Class changes are straight up too far, probably shouldn't hit the racial passives either.
Just do one thing at a time seriously hit the CP see how that changes things.. then hit other sustain if you need to.
I also don't know the stats on the change from stats to levels, I guess it makes sense not to give characters with lots of damage also lots of sustain and allows you to better control it.
Don't go through with the class changes.. just don't do... Buff Warden instead, I don't care, if you want money do it that way whatever.
You are removing too much uniqueness from the classes.Edited by Narvuntien on April 18, 2017 4:38PM0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Cactus316000 wrote: »DivyathFyr wrote: »Ok guys im little confused why everyone's freaking out about the morrowind patch notes?
I wanna know why sure the 2 cp are getting removed and sustain will be more hard
And couple skills of couple classes getting nerfed but also buffed like the cost decrease of dks for example so unless im missing something?
What is every one freaking out about?
Also there be pts for pc players im console btw so if it rly turns out horrible im sure zos will change it then...
Everything I've worked on, gold gear, perfect trait sets, cp distribution. All mean nothing by this patch. Basically all my stamina characters are in a worse place now. Cyrodiil will be plagued by gankers and magic keeps getting buffed
Let me hear more, fortune teller. What does your crystalball foretell??
Argonains. Argonians climbing the walls, hiding in the offices, filing reports when you least expect it.3 -
Fasold666✭✭✭Atleast ZOS makes it easy to take a break from the game for a couple months from time to time with the ridiculous base game changes they come up with.Edited by Fasold666 on April 18, 2017 4:50PM3 -
Kay1✭✭✭✭✭
✭Atleast ZOS makes it easy to take a break from the game for a couple months from time to time with the ridiculous base game changes they come up with.
Yeah, but I'm a little bit sad because I know a high majority of my friends will leave the game forever after Morrowind.K1 The Big Monkey3 -
Insanepirate01✭✭✭Finally an excuse to finish the last two dlcs of dark souls. They need to seriously quit with the nerfs and fix the real issues everyone actually cares about like rng, lag, trial crashes and balancing Stam and Mag. Then go ahead and make whatever sweeping changes you want once you have a stable game to actually balance.5
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Ep1kMalware✭✭✭✭✭
✭Atleast ZOS makes it easy to take a break from the game for a couple months from time to time with the ridiculous base game changes they come up with.
Hahas true, you play for a while, get fedup with bugs and ***, but you don't want to leave,.. then they do something incredibly stupid that forces your hand.
I think this will be one of those groups.3