Kicking Low Levels in Dungeon Finder Groups

central_scrutinizer · April 2017

WalksonGraves wrote: »

Doesn't matter if you have high-ish cp, you're still a lvl 26 with the lowest performance possible as a dps (stamblade) in a dungeon most people can't pug with proper characters.

Use your xp scrolls after the dungeon has been picked next time.

Anybody who has half a clue what they are doing can easily make it through NORMAL icp. I've lead groups of natural 10's through on my 10 np at all. By 26? It's a cakewalk, like everything else on normal thanks to scaling.

OP was kicked by somebody who doesn't understand scaling and does not know much about the game yet.

Nobody who is worth a damn is going to kick somebody for being low lvl in a normal, or care what class they are (that is absolutely ridiculous, outside of leaderboard runs, every class is perfectly viable for any role especially in a NORMAL where it doesn't even matter at all)

The only thing a halfway decent player needs from any group in normal icp is somebody to bash the zombie guy if they're caught in his channeled.

Duiwel · April 2017

I can at least understand where he is coming from and would have asked you about your gear, experience ect.

The reason being is it is a harder dung, it could be possible that you were wearing random gear, no CP, those things would just make life more difficult.

But just outright kicking someone is bs.

Runschei · April 2017

Attackfrog wrote: »

Cadbury wrote: »

Attackfrog wrote: »

Majic wrote: »

Kicking lowbies is essential.

It's the only way they'll ever learn.

To clarify, we are not talking about children or cats.

You kick children and cats? You monster...

You DON'T!?!? and you're calling ME the monster????

Disclaimer, so I don't get sued: I do not actually kick children or cats, nor do I condone the kicking of children or cats, unless they cannot pull their weight in dps in normal pugs.

I kick lizards

rootimus · April 2017

In my experience, most lowbies have little trouble with most dungeons. I'd suggest finding a guild that has a culture of being helpful and inclusive.

Elvenpath · April 2017

Allright, you can call them d-bag but i could do samething aswell imho. Why?

1) ZOS implemented "Vote to Kick" option to dungeon finder so if 3 player agree to kick you for some reason, they can. Beside honestly df is so broken, it should match people close to each other. No one have to boost low level player.

2) Everyones time is precious for themselfs including you. Except weekends and holidays i can barely play ESO 2 - 3 hours because i'm working. If someone will slow me down, i will kick him/her or i can leave by myself wait for 15 mins do other things and go again try my luck instead wiping or slowing with lower level player.

3) If i'm not happy with this issues, i will go grind because its so easy right now to level a char from 1 to 50 takes about 4 - 5 hours. So when i hit 50 then i will go random dungeons or pledges.

4) They are not doing something illegal and they don't deserve to be reported. Well, if they are cursing you via chat because you are low level, thats an another story.

greylox · April 2017

Someone tried that with me on my Stam DK ages ago when it was a DPS lvl 14.

I said I'd done it the night before, which i had, and they gave me the benefit of the doubt and it went well. All normal dungeons are mega easy so people need to chill out.

kylewwefan · April 2017

Mostly I'm shocked that the group finder didn't kick you all out as soon you got there and say it disband group but not really and add activity complete but award no xp. That's what's been happening to me anyways.

On a side note, I've done vet ICP hard mode a few times now and still not really sure what the difference is from regular vet?

On normal or vet, ICP isn't that bad if you run through all the adds. There's so freaking many in there it takes forever to do it proper. It was uncalled for to kick you from norm.

I did recently have to kick a player from group because the guy was really bad awful. It felt terrible telling someone they need to get better and then get whispered bad names. But seriously, bow light attacks aren't gonna get you through any vet DLC dungeon. And your only the last one alive because you run like a chicken pew pew pew til the heals run out.

Pallio · April 2017

This is fixed next patch, everyone will suck at everything.

DMuehlhausen · April 2017

me_ming wrote: »

There are a lot out there who are so insecure with their capabilities they need a full cp600 group to carry then on normal dungeons. I am sorry that happened to you. I would never ever vote to kick a lowbie on a normal dungeon, those things should be easy for cp people.

You see though that doesn't even matter. I was in a group last night in BC II with a CP600 that was only heavy attacking wtih a 2 handed sword They left on the 2nd boss cause it wasn't dying fast enough...

Attackfrog · April 2017

Elvenpath wrote: »

Allright, you can call them d-bag but i could do samething aswell imho. Why?

1) ZOS implemented "Vote to Kick" option to dungeon finder so if 3 player...

4) They are not doing something illegal and they don't deserve to be reported. Well, if they are cursing you via chat because you are low level, thats an another story.

You are correct that it is not "illegal" but it is still an abuse of the vote kick system (similar to killing a boss, then voting to kick before having a chance to loot it).

I would argue that I was placed with those members by the very same system so should have been given a fair opportunity to complete the dungeon and their abuse of that vote kick system negatively impacted my experience, when I can assure you, I would not have hindered their run at all, especially considering they would have had to 3 group it (which is possible given how easy norm is) or wait for another dps who might have been worse or better (who knows).

Sheva I 7 I · April 2017

Attackfrog wrote: »

Elvenpath wrote: »

Allright, you can call them d-bag but i could do samething aswell imho. Why?

1) ZOS implemented "Vote to Kick" option to dungeon finder so if 3 player...

4) They are not doing something illegal and they don't deserve to be reported. Well, if they are cursing you via chat because you are low level, thats an another story.

You are correct that it is not "illegal" but it is still an abuse of the vote kick system (similar to killing a boss, then voting to kick before having a chance to loot it).

I would argue that I was placed with those members by the very same system so should have been given a fair opportunity to complete the dungeon and their abuse of that vote kick system negatively impacted my experience, when I can assure you, I would not have hindered their run at all, especially considering they would have had to 3 group it (which is possible given how easy norm is) or wait for another dps who might have been worse or better (who knows).

I never kick anyone in normal (except for if a noob is not following simple mechanics in dlc dungeons mostly)
but I am tired of playing the game: carry the noob in vet dungeons, I am not looking for 2 hour experience in vet dungeons. So if I see that dps is below 15k from you which means you are probably using heavy attack/wrecking blow, you are getting the boot

Sakiri · April 2017

Brockahly wrote: »

For the most part I'll give the group a try but if we wipe more than twice on the first boss I'll usually leave. There's nothing more frustrating than using the group finder to at least try and do a vet dungeon and just get queued with low levelled and inexperienced people. There needs to be some sort of filter or test that players need to complete before being able to queue in for vet dungeons, or maybe even a CP level that's mandatory before being able to use it.

WoW did that.

It didn't work. Still got terrible players because you'd just learn how to outgimmick, not play. And folks had other people do it for them.

SilverWF · April 2017

To be successful at the stamblade you must be high lvl. No wonder you got kicked. You tried to ruin someone's fun and gameplay and got punishment for that. Enjoy!

Attackfrog · April 2017

Sheva I 7 I wrote: »

Attackfrog wrote: »

Elvenpath wrote: »

Allright, you can call them d-bag but i could do samething aswell imho. Why?

1) ZOS implemented "Vote to Kick" option to dungeon finder so if 3 player...

4) They are not doing something illegal and they don't deserve to be reported. Well, if they are cursing you via chat because you are low level, thats an another story.

You are correct that it is not "illegal" but it is still an abuse of the vote kick system (similar to killing a boss, then voting to kick before having a chance to loot it).

I would argue that I was placed with those members by the very same system so should have been given a fair opportunity to complete the dungeon and their abuse of that vote kick system negatively impacted my experience, when I can assure you, I would not have hindered their run at all, especially considering they would have had to 3 group it (which is possible given how easy norm is) or wait for another dps who might have been worse or better (who knows).

I never kick anyone in normal (except for if a noob is not following simple mechanics in dlc dungeons mostly)
but I am tired of playing the game: carry the noob in vet dungeons, I am not looking for 2 hour experience in vet dungeons. So if I see that dps is below 15k from you which means you are probably using heavy attack/wrecking blow, you are getting the boot

Agree. By vet you should have your act together, which is what norm is for!

SilverWF wrote: »

To be successful at the stamblade you must be high lvl. No wonder you got kicked. You tried to ruin someone's fun and gameplay and got punishment for that. Enjoy!

Sarcasm, I think...

But you are probably right....I was out to STEAL those other member's fun by botching the mechanics....haha haha!!! But those fools foiled my plan because once you are max level, it is impossible to botch mechanics and all max level players are pulling 40k dps no matter how hard we try to suck.....

kargen27 · April 2017

Might be time for low level characters to start kicking vet players out of the group if they queue for a normal dungeon. Just tell them sorry dude don't want to be carried then boot.

djdc1234 · April 2017

sure its normal but if one DPS is Okay and the other one is new or low i generally dont wanna wait around .. but i do go till the first boss before i set a VOTE on them. if the vote fails i ask why. IF ITS SUPER SLOW im saying.. if failed i leave and go on another character. prob healer and get right back in to another one.

Ihatenightblades · April 2017

Attackfrog wrote: »

So I was just kicked out of a group while attempting to run my Dungeon Finder daily on my level 26 Stamblade....I know what you are thinking, but hear me out.....

It was ICP as the random and right before the kick, one of the group members types in group chat "Sorry, Crosspawas* , but this dungeon is too much for you".

Seriously.

Now, I would totally call him out by name on the forums and pretty much every social media device for being such a you-know-what, but I am guessing this is against ToS.

Anyway, I have run ICP on this particular character before, but it is also not my first toon. I am just shy of 300 CP's, and frequent ESO forums/blogs (more passively than active posting) so, while I would never consider myself to be OP, I definitely know how to play.

Here is the WORST part: I popped a paid XP scroll upon entry into the dungeon, and as dps (stamblade lol), I now must wait for the q "cooldown" and then wait another 20-30 mins for another random group. So in essence, their ignorance cost me money.

I was just curious if anyone else has encountered this? I get not wanting noobs in your group (especially if you are the one who popped the xp scroll) but this is pretty ridiculous.

Anyway, I ended up reporting them all because I actually whispered them all, explained my CP amount, that I had run this specific dungeon in this character before and that I had just popped a paid xp scroll (and, most importantly, that I would probably expedite their run) and asked for a re-invite. Nobody responded, except one responded by saying "**** you".

If it wouldn't have happened to me, I would never have believed it myself!

My point: I have played this game off and on since beta and pretty seriously for the past 6 mos. I get that every online game has d-bags....but I have never had d-bags cost me real lif $$.

Oh! One more thing....it was NORM dungeon!!! Lol!

Does anyone else have a similar experience that they would like to vent about???

*that is my character name lol

Ya whoever votes to kick someone in a normal dungeon clearly has issues. You are a level 26 entering a normal dungeon with half of skills yet to he unlocked lol.

Attackfrog · April 2017

djdc1234 wrote: »

sure its normal but if one DPS is Okay and the other one is new or low i generally dont wanna wait around .. but i do go till the first boss before i set a VOTE on them. if the vote fails i ask why. IF ITS SUPER SLOW im saying.. if failed i leave and go on another character. prob healer and get right back in to another one.

There are certainly reasons to kick, and let's be honest, you usually know after the first pull (unless someone is just afk grabbing another beer, in which case the polite thing is to offer some to the group) but to kick prior to first pull on norm is so silly.

hitman2nine · April 2017

I understand everyone pays their money for the game, but it's no reason you should be q'n for anything until you at least have a understanding of your toon of choice. For that reason alone I didn't even attempt to run any dungeons until I was at least gear cap. Going through dungeons normal or vet with over leveled bow spammers and under leveled WB spam tanks is a drag.

As OP stated earlier it's our time and if we are nice enough to at least make an attempt with you do not get upset when you get the boot. No one wants to spend all day doing something that shouldn't take more than an eye blink and a yawn.

Also only Q for what you are equipped to do. If your not a tank don't Q for it especially not in vet dungeons.

zaria · April 2017

Elvenpath wrote: »

Allright, you can call them d-bag but i could do samething aswell imho. Why?

1) ZOS implemented "Vote to Kick" option to dungeon finder so if 3 player agree to kick you for some reason, they can. Beside honestly df is so broken, it should match people close to each other. No one have to boost low level player.

2) Everyones time is precious for themselfs including you. Except weekends and holidays i can barely play ESO 2 - 3 hours because i'm working. If someone will slow me down, i will kick him/her or i can leave by myself wait for 15 mins do other things and go again try my luck instead wiping or slowing with lower level player.

3) If i'm not happy with this issues, i will go grind because its so easy right now to level a char from 1 to 50 takes about 4 - 5 hours. So when i hit 50 then i will go random dungeons or pledges.

4) They are not doing something illegal and they don't deserve to be reported. Well, if they are cursing you via chat because you are low level, thats an another story.

Yes they added vote kick as you have the light attack brigade, the troll and sometimes players disconnect and not come back.

Now an 1 kick limit like in WOW would solve lots of the problem. You can kick but only once, think WOW had an addition second kick if none had kicked for an long time, you would only kick if the guy was horrible as the next might be worse.

Its another issue as I understand low level players has an good chance of ending in the normal DLC as the dlc dungeons has no level cap unlike the harder non dlc dungeons this would be trivial to fix.

CamoPrincess · April 2017

Don't feel bad. I got kicked about 2 weeks ago from Wayrest 1 vet and I was 596CP stam sorc. The "healer" and the "tank" were both just DPS. The other DPS was their friend so it was a group of 3 and me. So we make it to the last boss no problems, and the 3 of them keep getting 1 shot by the boss. I spend most of the last fight trying to pick them up. After 2-3 tries, I get the boot. But before I get kicked out I typed that I wasn't the one who queued for a role I had no intention of playing. I queued only as DPS. 1 of them responds, "You're right, we're getting a tank now. Sorry." Told him to shove his apology.

flguy147ub17_ESO · April 2017

I tried to join a group posting in zone chat looking for 2 dps for vet Banished Cells 2 pledge yesterday. I got turned down and they said i was too low being only 323 Altmer Magicka Sorc. I was like wtf, i was doing it 200 CP ago. Did it at 280 with blue level 140 training seducer gear on with a 150 training staff on lol. And it was super easy. I was like wtf but then i realized if you need a higher CP player to do that easy of a dungeon then you guys must be horrible and better not do it. So i joined group finder, did the dungeon and when i zoned out, they were still looking for 1 dps to do it. I started laughing.

Attackfrog · April 2017

flguy147ub17_ESO wrote: »

I tried to join a group posting in zone chat looking for 2 dps for vet Banished Cells 2 pledge yesterday. I got turned down and they said i was too low being only 323 Altmer Magicka Sorc. I was like wtf, i was doing it 200 CP ago. Did it at 280 with blue level 140 training seducer gear on with a 150 training staff on lol. And it was super easy. I was like wtf but then i realized if you need a higher CP player to do that easy of a dungeon then you guys must be horrible and better not do it. So i joined group finder, did the dungeon and when i zoned out, they were still looking for 1 dps to do it. I started laughing.

As bad as it sounds....it always warms my heart to hear about the failure of d-bags like that!

flguy147ub17_ESO · April 2017

Attackfrog wrote: »

flguy147ub17_ESO wrote: »

I tried to join a group posting in zone chat looking for 2 dps for vet Banished Cells 2 pledge yesterday. I got turned down and they said i was too low being only 323 Altmer Magicka Sorc. I was like wtf, i was doing it 200 CP ago. Did it at 280 with blue level 140 training seducer gear on with a 150 training staff on lol. And it was super easy. I was like wtf but then i realized if you need a higher CP player to do that easy of a dungeon then you guys must be horrible and better not do it. So i joined group finder, did the dungeon and when i zoned out, they were still looking for 1 dps to do it. I started laughing.

As bad as it sounds....it always warms my heart to hear about the failure of d-bags like that!

Yeah, they dont know i have been playing since PC beta and done the dungeon over 100 times but fairly new to XBOX. When he replied, he said sorry but you are too low of CP. I responded i have done this several times but ok. And he never replied back. When i saw him post when i got out of the dungeon, he was asking for the 1 dps and to respond with how many CP you have lol

DanaDark · April 2017

As a new player (I dabbled in beta and shortly after launch), the idea of being kicked out for being too low or whatever on a normal dungeon with level scaling and the changes since launch... seems absurd. Especially since it's not some sort of max level high end contesting raid or something.

I'd be bitter. But then again, glad too. Those type of people are not ones I want to group with for fun anyway.

I think you lucked out.

Majeure · April 2017

Clearly a l2p issue, user error.

You should've equipped your Hodor tabard and rocked your rarest collectibles and ran ahead to decimate all the monsters in your wake, all the while yelling "GO! RUSH! SKIP!"

Princess_Ciri · April 2017

I don't care if someone is low level, now that I'm 500+ champion points it is not that hard to carry people.

However I refuse to carry people who 1) don't listen to instructions 2) queue up for vet dungeons with 10k health 3) queue as a healer/tank when they're dps.

I got put in a group for vWGT today with all 3 of the above. Waste of my time.

wolfdoggie_ESO · April 2017

That feel when a Lv. 30 gets the divine pants drop you've been searching for in over 50 dungeon runs. rip wrists

logan3 · April 2017

Attackfrog wrote: »

So I was just kicked out of a group while attempting to run my Dungeon Finder daily on my level 26 Stamblade....I know what you are thinking, but hear me out.....

It was ICP as the random and right before the kick, one of the group members types in group chat "Sorry, Crosspawas* , but this dungeon is too much for you".

Seriously.

Now, I would totally call him out by name on the forums and pretty much every social media device for being such a you-know-what, but I am guessing this is against ToS.

Anyway, I have run ICP on this particular character before, but it is also not my first toon. I am just shy of 300 CP's, and frequent ESO forums/blogs (more passively than active posting) so, while I would never consider myself to be OP, I definitely know how to play.

Here is the WORST part: I popped a paid XP scroll upon entry into the dungeon, and as dps (stamblade lol), I now must wait for the q "cooldown" and then wait another 20-30 mins for another random group. So in essence, their ignorance cost me money.

I was just curious if anyone else has encountered this? I get not wanting noobs in your group (especially if you are the one who popped the xp scroll) but this is pretty ridiculous.

Anyway, I ended up reporting them all because I actually whispered them all, explained my CP amount, that I had run this specific dungeon in this character before and that I had just popped a paid xp scroll (and, most importantly, that I would probably expedite their run) and asked for a re-invite. Nobody responded, except one responded by saying "**** you".

If it wouldn't have happened to me, I would never have believed it myself!

My point: I have played this game off and on since beta and pretty seriously for the past 6 mos. I get that every online game has d-bags....but I have never had d-bags cost me real lif $$.

Oh! One more thing....it was NORM dungeon!!! Lol!

Does anyone else have a similar experience that they would like to vent about???

*that is my character name lol

Tbh I don't get all these dudes complaining about being kicked from a group as a low level. I understand that it is unpleasant for you to be treated this way but u also have to understand that other players have the all right to kick you if all 3 of them don't want to play with you for whatever reason. It's their enjoyment of the game as much as yours.

F7sus4 · April 2017

ICP... Normal...

You can tank this on Stamplar in Light Armor with Ice Staff on 12 level (quite funny you still can land in DLC dungeons as random despite the normal restructions). Oh, and you can off-heal that too with the mentioned character. CP600 left? Well, I don't like the company of clueless Skyreach grinded shrugs as well. A knowledgeable guy would know what is possible with level-scaling. And whether the team gets the mechanics or not is usually clear at the first boss... being as much as 30 seconds away from the entrance.