Confused on the nerfs rly that bad?

DivyathFyr · April 2017

Ok guys im little confused why everyone's freaking out about the morrowind patch notes?
I wanna know why sure the 2 cp are getting removed and sustain will be more hard
And couple skills of couple classes getting nerfed but also buffed like the cost decrease of dks for example so unless im missing something?
What is every one freaking out about?
Also there be pts for pc players im console btw so if it rly turns out horrible im sure zos will change it then...

Sheva I 7 I · April 2017

Well its like this: if you are khajit dk stam you will do 2 rotations and then you can either leave group or heavy attack.

Nuntjako · April 2017

People fear the unknown. They need to relax and take a deep breath. There is certainly some big nerfs coming next patch, sustainwise especially. And there's some changes that seem upright stupid. But people need to wait and experience the changes before being all doom and gloomy.

Sheva I 7 I · April 2017

Nuntjako wrote: »

People fear the unknown. They need to relax and take a deep breath. There is certainly some big nerfs coming next patch, sustainwise especially. And there's some changes that seem upright stupid. But people need to wait and experience the changes before being all doom and gloomy.

You can experience them right now, take out all points from reduce cost trees, and put only enough into regens for 15% bonus. Go check it out.

Pallio · April 2017

Anyone who can read can see how bad this will be in next patch, compounded by the reality that 90% of everything on PTS ever, goes live, regardless of feedback.

Tommy_The_Gun · April 2017

I think ZOS is just trying to balance thing out.
Right now magicka builds tend to be way better than stamina ones. After this nefs/buffs we might see more diversity in PvP... Who knows...

Nuntjako · April 2017

Sheva I 7 I wrote: »

Nuntjako wrote: »

People fear the unknown. They need to relax and take a deep breath. There is certainly some big nerfs coming next patch, sustainwise especially. And there's some changes that seem upright stupid. But people need to wait and experience the changes before being all doom and gloomy.

You can experience them right now, take out all points from reduce cost trees, and put only enough into regens for 15% bonus. Go check it out.

I actually almost have that CP setup on my stamblade for PVP. Works quite well.

But I could imagine that you mean pve? And you are right in having some concerns in that regard. Im not opposing concern and critique of the changes, Im opposing all the unconstructive whining.

Izaki · April 2017

Sheva I 7 I wrote: »

Nuntjako wrote: »

People fear the unknown. They need to relax and take a deep breath. There is certainly some big nerfs coming next patch, sustainwise especially. And there's some changes that seem upright stupid. But people need to wait and experience the changes before being all doom and gloomy.

You can experience them right now, take out all points from reduce cost trees, and put only enough into regens for 15% bonus. Go check it out.

You lose max stam doing that though. So you gotta put the rest of your points into tumbing or some *** like that.

Durham · April 2017

Yes... Stam DK obliterated... good luck seeing this build in the future in PVP...

greylox · April 2017

I've been running around the last couple of weeks on all my characters with no cost reduction cp and it isn't too bad....But add in all the other nerfs and it's gonna be a nightmare.

Pallio · April 2017

Although, as nerfs go, style points for gutting the Templar healer to make the Warden look better.

Lynx7386 · April 2017

It's not just cp changes, a lot of ability costs were raised and all of the resource management abilities for classes were nerfed.

In usual zos fashion, they identified a problem and then went completely overboard on the fix, which is just going to create a new problem in its place. They aren't capable of gradual changes

technohic · April 2017

It's not the nerfs I don't like. I just don't think they were even handed.

Classes that rely on heals got nerfed more than classes that rely on shields.

Existing classes get things removed from them because it's over performing yet the new class gets that ability.

Resource management skills for a couple of classes nerfed on top of the general resource management nerf; while the class with the best management skill goes untouched.

Underperforming class in NB who pretty much just had stam NB for ganking and not great anywhere else, now even the ganking is nerfed without addressing its shortcomings and leaving magicka still in a bad spot.

Years of Templar losing defense (blazing shield hit by nerfs intended for hardened ward, blinding flashes removed, CC nerfed over the years) basically under the reasoning that they can heal better than other classes, now seeing that healing "balanced " with other classes without much in the way of where they had made sacrifices in the past.

In general, all classes have worthless abilities and I don't see many attempts to make them relevant for being a big bslanve patch.

No making 2h weapons count as 2pieces in a set.

So not the nerfs. It's the uneven application without providing real improvements.

leepalmer95 · April 2017

People will have to actually run some sustain now and not run around in heavy with 600 regen.

You was never mean't to be able to do that in the first place, i'm glad they actually fixed it.

If you want to hit hard go medium and get 2k~ regen. You'll be more squishy but you'll sustain fine and hit hard still, thats the trade off thats been missing for a year.

Grabmoore · April 2017

They nerf nb , templar healer and stam dks, who we're bad in pve already. No destro ulti nerf, no reason to be a templar at all, no nerf to the strongest class overall, sorcs...

Also no Token System!!!

leepalmer95 · April 2017

Grabmoore wrote: »

They nerf nb , templar healer and stam dks, who we're bad in pve already. No destro ulti nerf, no reason to be a templar at all, no nerf to the strongest class overall, sorcs...

Also no Token System!!!

They also nerfed mag dk, stam templar. They kind of nerfed dark deal i guess.

Overall sustain nerf for everything though.

L2Pissue · April 2017

people with inability to accept change find it bad
that's about it and they are just trying to flood the forums with their personal opinions

replace 2-3 glyphs on your jewelry with cost reduction
wear other sets than burning spellweave

learn to play to game instead QQ all the way

Durham · April 2017

L2Pissue wrote: »

people with inability to accept change find it bad
that's about it and they are just trying to flood the forums with their personal opinions

replace 2-3 glyphs on your jewelry with cost reduction
wear other sets than burning spellweave

learn to play to game instead QQ all the way

Stam DK not magicka took it on the chin the most .... seriously even with glyths just no reason to run the class ... nothing personal it's all math

Elsonso · April 2017

DivyathFyr wrote: »

Ok guys im little confused why everyone's freaking out about the morrowind patch notes?
I wanna know why sure the 2 cp are getting removed and sustain will be more hard
And couple skills of couple classes getting nerfed but also buffed like the cost decrease of dks for example so unless im missing something?
What is every one freaking out about?
Also there be pts for pc players im console btw so if it rly turns out horrible im sure zos will change it then...

There is no question that ZOS is rocking the boat with these changes.

However, when I read the patch notes, I agree that it is heading in the direction that ZOS seems to want to go, and that is towards combat where regen and sustain are not givens. Resources become something to think about, and they should be. So, I am not freaking out. Not even a little.

I am starting to get lazy in this game. The combat, especially for veterans of the game, is really really easy. I am primarily a solo player, one that does not do MA, and I don't even feel the need to worship the Holy DPS Numbers. I just need enough resource to last the combat, and I rarely have problems with that.

This update is going to change that. The combat will become more interesting, at least for a while.

leepalmer95 · April 2017

Durham wrote: »

L2Pissue wrote: »

people with inability to accept change find it bad
that's about it and they are just trying to flood the forums with their personal opinions

replace 2-3 glyphs on your jewelry with cost reduction
wear other sets than burning spellweave

learn to play to game instead QQ all the way

Stam DK not magicka took it on the chin the most .... seriously even with glyths just no reason to run the class ... nothing personal it's all math

Mag dk already struggle with sustain, they literally only had battleroar and that got nerfed.

DMuehlhausen · April 2017

This happens with every major patch. People claim the sky is falling and their class now suxxorz and willl never be needed in a group again and they will be the sad little kid in the corner by themselves at recess.

Then they come to see all classes had major changes and some things are more balanced and some are less, since complete balance is truly impossible, and they will come out of their deep dark holes and realize hey this actually isn't so bad and adjust to the changes.

Elsonso · April 2017

Durham wrote: »

L2Pissue wrote: »

people with inability to accept change find it bad
that's about it and they are just trying to flood the forums with their personal opinions

replace 2-3 glyphs on your jewelry with cost reduction
wear other sets than burning spellweave

learn to play to game instead QQ all the way

Stam DK not magicka took it on the chin the most .... seriously even with glyths just no reason to run the class ... nothing personal it's all math

It's all estimations.

Run the numbers on Live today and tell us the delta between the optimal builds for each class in each role using each resource, then get on PTS and run the delta numbers again with the optimal builds for each class (including Warden, if you are able). Tell us that the deltas are worse in Update 14. Show your work.

Yellow_Monolith · April 2017

DivyathFyr wrote: »

Ok guys im little confused why everyone's freaking out about the morrowind patch notes?
I wanna know why sure the 2 cp are getting removed and sustain will be more hard
And couple skills of couple classes getting nerfed but also buffed like the cost decrease of dks for example so unless im missing something?
What is every one freaking out about?
Also there be pts for pc players im console btw so if it rly turns out horrible im sure zos will change it then...

Everything I've worked on, gold gear, perfect trait sets, cp distribution. All mean nothing by this patch. Basically all my stamina characters are in a worse place now. Cyrodiil will be plagued by gankers and magic keeps getting buffed

Nuntjako · April 2017

Cactus316000 wrote: »

DivyathFyr wrote: »

Ok guys im little confused why everyone's freaking out about the morrowind patch notes?
I wanna know why sure the 2 cp are getting removed and sustain will be more hard
And couple skills of couple classes getting nerfed but also buffed like the cost decrease of dks for example so unless im missing something?
What is every one freaking out about?
Also there be pts for pc players im console btw so if it rly turns out horrible im sure zos will change it then...

Everything I've worked on, gold gear, perfect trait sets, cp distribution. All mean nothing by this patch. Basically all my stamina characters are in a worse place now. Cyrodiil will be plagued by gankers and magic keeps getting buffed

Let me hear more, fortune teller. What does your crystalball foretell??

Yellow_Monolith · April 2017

Nuntjako wrote: »

Cactus316000 wrote: »

DivyathFyr wrote: »

Ok guys im little confused why everyone's freaking out about the morrowind patch notes?
I wanna know why sure the 2 cp are getting removed and sustain will be more hard
And couple skills of couple classes getting nerfed but also buffed like the cost decrease of dks for example so unless im missing something?
What is every one freaking out about?
Also there be pts for pc players im console btw so if it rly turns out horrible im sure zos will change it then...

Everything I've worked on, gold gear, perfect trait sets, cp distribution. All mean nothing by this patch. Basically all my stamina characters are in a worse place now. Cyrodiil will be plagued by gankers and magic keeps getting buffed

Let me hear more, fortune teller. What does your crystalball foretell??

Wow that edge.

Splattercat_83 · April 2017

Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »

I think ZOS is just trying to balance thing out.
Right now magicka builds tend to be way better than stamina ones. After this nefs/buffs we might see more diversity in PvP... Who knows...

People keep talking balance, *** balance, Balance is *** over the game.

Browiseth · April 2017

people don't like things that are different

the community has been allowed to grow comfortable in the current broken meta, and now that change is coming...

well, you know

Splattercat_83 · April 2017

Cactus316000 wrote: »

DivyathFyr wrote: »

Ok guys im little confused why everyone's freaking out about the morrowind patch notes?
I wanna know why sure the 2 cp are getting removed and sustain will be more hard
And couple skills of couple classes getting nerfed but also buffed like the cost decrease of dks for example so unless im missing something?
What is every one freaking out about?
Also there be pts for pc players im console btw so if it rly turns out horrible im sure zos will change it then...

Everything I've worked on, gold gear, perfect trait sets, cp distribution. All mean nothing by this patch. Basically all my stamina characters are in a worse place now. Cyrodiil will be plagued by gankers and magic keeps getting buffed

Nah they nerfed crit damage from stealth. People will hit like a wet noodle from stealth. Zerg up buddy, it's gonna be only way to play. Small group is dead, solo is dead it's been heading that way for a long time in PvP. That's why I all but quit PvP and moved on to pve. Now they *** it too.

Yellow_Monolith · April 2017

Splattercat_83 wrote: »

Cactus316000 wrote: »

DivyathFyr wrote: »

Ok guys im little confused why everyone's freaking out about the morrowind patch notes?
I wanna know why sure the 2 cp are getting removed and sustain will be more hard
And couple skills of couple classes getting nerfed but also buffed like the cost decrease of dks for example so unless im missing something?
What is every one freaking out about?
Also there be pts for pc players im console btw so if it rly turns out horrible im sure zos will change it then...

Everything I've worked on, gold gear, perfect trait sets, cp distribution. All mean nothing by this patch. Basically all my stamina characters are in a worse place now. Cyrodiil will be plagued by gankers and magic keeps getting buffed

Nah they nerfed crit damage from stealth. People will hit like a wet noodle from stealth. Zerg up buddy, it's gonna be only way to play. Small group is dead, solo is dead it's been heading that way for a long time in PvP. That's why I all but quit PvP and moved on to pve. Now they *** it too.

I missed the crit nerf part. Thanks for the heads up. I had a Khajiit stam nightblade I was going to use if my stamplar became terrible in PvP but, now that might not even be an option

Callous2208 · April 2017

People just need to accept that certain races and classes are for role-playing only. ZoS has still given us at least two classes and 3 races to choose if we're in to pve/pvp.

THEDKEXPERIENCE · April 2017

leepalmer95 wrote: »

People will have to actually run some sustain now and not run around in heavy with 600 regen.

You was never mean't to be able to do that in the first place, i'm glad they actually fixed it.

If you want to hit hard go medium and get 2k~ regen. You'll be more squishy but you'll sustain fine and hit hard still, thats the trade off thats been missing for a year.

My magic regen is 745 currently. I'm not in front of my console so I don't know exactly how much regen I'll lose but I'm thinking I'll settle in somewhere between 600 and 650. I'm totally going to try and get away with it. Haha.