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Dear ZOS, don't let double bank for subber happen
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AndyTGD✭✭✭Don't mind us loyal non-subs, ZOS. We'll just sit with our meagre ration of storage spaces as you increase the number of in-world items ten fold. I would pay a reasonable price for 10-20 additional spaces if you offered a Crown Storage Chest for housing, but nope - subscription option only. You could make housing actually functional with such options and keep everyone happy.
Loyal "non-sub", wth? Guess it's a nicer term than "persistent leech". I don't get it, a cheap subscription fee that gives plenty QoL perks is a no-no, but if some of those perks sold in the generally overpriced CS then it's fine?
Some of us can't afford a subscription and invest what little money we have into one-off Crown purchases, rather than a yearly set subscription. It is more affordable for me and doesn't make me any less loyal a customer - I've stuck with this game through all its glitchy awfulness and invested my time and money in it, so do please get off your bourgeois subscription high-horse.
Last time I've checked 6 months sub cost less than two 5k crown packs and contained almost the same amount of crowns too. That high horse of mine needs massive high heels just to sniff the a$$ of a pony.
I get that people don't want to or can't afford to spend on this game. But the thing is ESO+ is the best purchase in the whole game by far, so it boggles me if anyone saying buying CS items is better than subs.
And again, maybe... maybe... if people would have been vocal on things like bank(/inventory) space and not contradicting threads on the topic by the masses then maybe ZOS would have considered adding it in the base game. For gold. But all threads went into "noob hoarders" and "l2p" arguments so that's what you get as a result. Especially when ZOS' own statistics suggesting there's no general need for such thing.
Double bank is perfect ESO+ perk. It gives something meaningful and useful (vs. non-combat pets or costumes). It is highly sought after by a group of people while others do not care about it. It is not a necessity but a nice QoL addition. Absolutely hits the spot.
Relative to how much money I have to invest in the game, people like yourself invest much more - and that's cool, its your money to spend as you see fit. I don't have enough to invest in two 5k crown packs. The point being, I and others like me are not 'persistent leeches' (rather than loyal customers) for investing what we can into the game. You might think that the sub is good value for money, relative to your coffers, but it isn't relative to what I have to spend. For me, on my restrictive budget, individual and selective Crown Store purchases make much more sense.
I've got to say, I think that lordrichter's solution is a great compromise and hope that ZOS will consider a model along these lines. I have no problem with the sub service being buffed with perks like extra inventory spaces (honestly, it needs more like this to make it a tempting option for people), but things are starting to get uncomfortably restrictive in the storage department for folks who don't have the crafting bags etc. and Morrowind's (no doubt copious) content hasn't even landed yet. ZOS is a business and can do as it wishes, but I for one would appreciate the choice of a sensible non-sub option.
Here is the problem... 'for you' your restrictive budge makes more sense, but for ZOS, which is a 'for profit' company, it does not. Thus, it is incentivizing ESO+ to gain more subscribers, while at the same time offering little to those who cannot afford or do not wish to afford to support the game beyond purchase and occasional Crown Store purchases. People may not like to hear it, but beyond the initial purchase, those who do not contribute financially continuously to the company are more of a drain on resources than an asset. It sucks that people are in financial situations that aren't good, BUT, they also shouldn't expect the world to be offered for little or nothing either. You can still play the game, still receive updates, etc... but additional perks that go towards attracting more subscribers you should not be entitled to.
Indeed, I know how business works and recognize ZOS' right to set their prices to make the product financially viable (if you actually read the entirety of my comment, you would see that I addressed that). My primary point was that it would be sensible to offer extra bank space via the cash shop for those of us who are willing to pay the one-off cost - whether that is actually viable or desirable is up to them. It doesn't even have to be the same amount of storage as the subscription folks, but some increase would be greatly welcomed given the massive increase in in-game items and crafting mats.
However, this particular comment was not addressed to ZOS for the most part, but to the self-righteous snobs who think that paying a subscription to Zenimax makes them some kind of elite class of übermensch, and entitles them to look down on the rest of us non-subs as glorified parasites. Seriously, the farcical arrogance is quite something to behold. If it wasn't for buy-to-play players ESO would have folded years ago. How successful was the sub-only game? Before Tamriel Unlimited landed with all those free-loading Crown Store parasites? So well that ZOS had to radically alter their business model and tear down the pay wall before it tanked. We all contribute towards the game's sustainability, buy stuff from the Crown Store and keep the game populated. I am personally tired of hearing smug, condescending nonsense from the subscription master race.
No it wouldn't be sensible to add it as a1 time purchase. Just like it wasn't sensible for them to add the craft bag as a 1 time purchase.
Also those who are paying a sub also purchased the game.
Those who pay a sub deserve more benefits, that is the bottom line. Saying that someone who subs supports the game more than someone who doesn't and who rarely buys anything from the crown style is a perfectly fine statement that is true. It is not arrogant or being a snob, it is a basic fact.
Just because someone can not or will not pay a sub doesn't mean they should get the same benefits as someone who does pay. Also I fail to see what them changing to b2p has to do with any of this. I bought the game as well and I still sub. It is perfectly fine to have a b2p game and a sub.
Also I think them taking eso to console played a major role in them going b2p. Since console already pays a monthly fee just to access the game to start with and they would be getting hit twice just to play. Obviously not everyone can or would sub but those who do deserve extra benefits.
Saying those who pay more deserve more is not arrogant, condescending, or being a snob. It is a general fact throughout life and is the case for almost any for profit business.
Hmm, using your logic ZOS ought to not be providing clothes dyes in the Crown Store, because clothes dying is a super-special bonus only available for people who have reached Operating Thetan Level... er, sub to ESO+. Just so I'm not misunderstood - I'm not arguing and never have argued that subs don't deserve perks - I'm suggesting that they not need be completely unique to subscribers, with lesser amounts of Crown Store storage space available for those who don't sub. Or heck, just adjustments to the storage system to acknowledge the amount of items which have been added in recent updates. The Op might be against storage perks for subs, but I'm not.
FYI, the B2P points - indeed, with all the snob criticisms - were aimed at the kind of individual who considers a non-sub as a freeloading, worthless parasite and develops an unhealthy superiority complex. It wasn't a comment about 'subscribers not deserving more' or anything of the kind. I don't deny that the move to console may have also been a contributing factor for going B2P btw, but it is widely acknowledged that ESO was failing prior to the rebranding exercise - necessitating a new model to keep it afloat. Subscription alone was not doing it; it took a massive influx of "persistent leeches" (who may or may not have decided to sub down the line) using the Crown Store etc. to really improve the situation. Non-subs are loyal customers who contribute to the growth of ESO and are not mere 'leeches' - that is all I wanted to point out.
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lordrichter wrote: »I debate whether they actually intended for this to be known, and actually intended for this to be in Update 14. I find myself wondering if they were iterating over different ideas to see how they might work and accidentally left this out where it could be found. I would not be surprised if it was replaced by something else, once we finally get to see what Morrowind is all about. Outrage would run rampant, of course, but they have done things that cause outrage before. Eventually, outrage runs the course. Any players that leave because of outrage tend to get replaced by players who are not outraged.
On the other hand, while a whole lot of players may not have added to bank and bag space, it might be that the overwhelming majority of those that do are already ESO Plus members, or have been ESO Plus members. Maybe all they are doing here is giving a perk to the players who are already interested in this type of perk. They may not see this as a "big thing", but more of a "here is a nice little perk".
I still believe that the people who spend a lot of time on "inventory management", with daily access to mules and alternate accounts, are in a significantly small minority of the overall active players. Less small when grouped with current and former ESO Plus members.
I agree with this 100%. I personally though, have never felt angry about any changes made ever. The only time I'm angry is when I die due to my own stupidity
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Technically, they're not. After the patch, non-subbers will have exactly the same storage they have now. They aren't losing anything. It won't affect them or you at all.Wrecking_Blow_Spam wrote: »the non subbers are getting shafted and it leaves, shall we say a bad taste in the mouth.
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ofSunhold✭✭✭✭✭The crafting bag was such a hug QoL boost - love that thing - I feel bad for people with no access to it. There should be a way to get something similar with crown purchases. (One bag for each craft, or something?) I prefer to subscribe, but I know people who like to one-off the DLCs and such, and if they could buy some kind of craft bags with crowns too that would be nice.
I'm happy to be getting doubled bank space - storage is a boring timesuck, even with the craft bag - but I'd be happier if there were another option for people to get it than just the monthly subscription. Why not the Crown Store? The company makes a profit either way, and I'll keep right on subbing even without that benefit being exclusive.
Exclusivity should be limited to less vital stuff. Costume dyeing? Fine, subscribers only. Relief from inventory management headaches? The more options, the better.Classes that don't need any class ability nerfs: Nightblades, Dragonknights, Sorcs, Templars, Wardens.1 -
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✭Wrecking_Blow_Spam wrote: »You know that when you are obviously trying hard, it will actually make the negative effect?
Few days ago you guys says “Oh Most of the people don't upgrade their bank so no need for storage in housing!” and now you are like “so to increase the value of subscription we are giving subbers——more storage! You guys sure love it!”
This is not how it works.
You could give subbers all kinds of benefit that make ppl want to sub （like double speed for trait research and mount training while online, or free pvp items Every week, hell even a pvp item bag is welcome), but no you have to give the burden to storage alone.
And that will lead to, when people are forced to find a way （mule, mailing each other, second account etc） to solve the storage provlem, the decline of subscription.
I will Seriously consider quit the sub （not the game, and i will buy things in crown store to Support ZOS, but I probably won't sub anymore because I don't like the way this is going）, and I know I am not the only one.
So ZOS, if you really want to make more people sub, give us something else except for storage
People complaining about free stuff? Nothing new here
Please, teach me how to sub for free!
So much this ^^^
I'm ok with subscribers having crafting bag but come on, seriously Zo$?
Giving them actual bank space and non subscribers get jack crap? That's some bullcrap.
Non subs NEED extra bank space too.
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I don't and won't sub out of principle, inventory is a massive headache.
I've got my own guild bank which helps but all these BoP items are a pain to manage.
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Yep. ZOS should totally give extra benefits to the people who aren't supporting the game with a sub. Yep. Makes complete sense. [/sarcasm] Not.
You don't and won't sub, but you are admitting to gaming the system to get a 500 slot guild bank to yourself. So you have your normal bank space, plus the 500 guild bank slots available. AND you're complaining that subbers are going to get more bank space. Double the normal bank space that still isn't equal to the normal space + 500 slots..... Akatosh, hypocrite much?
Nice ramble there bud, feel better?
I'm not supporting the game because I don't sub? Some seriously flawed logic that is, so you assuming all non subs don't: buy dlc, buy crowns (for mounts etc) etc.
Yes non subbers support the game so don't be so blinded by whatever sad entitlement you have.
And I'm a hypocrite somehow? lol gg
My own guild bank? Is for all the crafting mats (there's 100s of different mats).... but alas the issue is the sheer volume of BoP sets.
As I said earlier if you're an end game player with multiple characters and roles, you'll have a whole host of different BoP sets, and you likely need mules atm for them (I do).
(My bank is maxed out btw)
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Sinolai✭✭✭✭✭I want more bank space no matter what. This move from ZOS fits perfectly, can't see any problem with it.
It's funny people crying p2w. Every time someone opened a forum topic about the need of more inventory/bank space the general consensus was "no we don't" slash "l2p". Now that it becomes a perk for subbers it is suddenly op & p2w...
I am okay for ZOS offering more space to subbers. The problem is that space problem is not only subbers problem but everyone needs it and I don't like how they offer more space only for a protion of the player base. They keep adding new crafting materials, new style materials (most of which takes 2 space becouse you have to refine them too) and new armor sets, yet the storage space has not increased at all.
I already think the crafting bag sounds like tricking players to subbing and this feels like they are tricking people even more. If I bought ESO+ just for inventory management I'd feel cheated. As much as I love the game I really wouldn't like to support company that makes me feel cheated all the time.Edited by Sinolai on April 16, 2017 7:18AM1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Don't mind us loyal non-subs, ZOS. We'll just sit with our meagre ration of storage spaces as you increase the number of in-world items ten fold. I would pay a reasonable price for 10-20 additional spaces if you offered a Crown Storage Chest for housing, but nope - subscription option only. You could make housing actually functional with such options and keep everyone happy.
Loyal "non-sub", wth? Guess it's a nicer term than "persistent leech". I don't get it, a cheap subscription fee that gives plenty QoL perks is a no-no, but if some of those perks sold in the generally overpriced CS then it's fine?
Some of us can't afford a subscription and invest what little money we have into one-off Crown purchases, rather than a yearly set subscription. It is more affordable for me and doesn't make me any less loyal a customer - I've stuck with this game through all its glitchy awfulness and invested my time and money in it, so do please get off your bourgeois subscription high-horse.
Last time I've checked 6 months sub cost less than two 5k crown packs and contained almost the same amount of crowns too. That high horse of mine needs massive high heels just to sniff the a$$ of a pony.
I get that people don't want to or can't afford to spend on this game. But the thing is ESO+ is the best purchase in the whole game by far, so it boggles me if anyone saying buying CS items is better than subs.
And again, maybe... maybe... if people would have been vocal on things like bank(/inventory) space and not contradicting threads on the topic by the masses then maybe ZOS would have considered adding it in the base game. For gold. But all threads went into "noob hoarders" and "l2p" arguments so that's what you get as a result. Especially when ZOS' own statistics suggesting there's no general need for such thing.
Double bank is perfect ESO+ perk. It gives something meaningful and useful (vs. non-combat pets or costumes). It is highly sought after by a group of people while others do not care about it. It is not a necessity but a nice QoL addition. Absolutely hits the spot.
Relative to how much money I have to invest in the game, people like yourself invest much more - and that's cool, its your money to spend as you see fit. I don't have enough to invest in two 5k crown packs. The point being, I and others like me are not 'persistent leeches' (rather than loyal customers) for investing what we can into the game. You might think that the sub is good value for money, relative to your coffers, but it isn't relative to what I have to spend. For me, on my restrictive budget, individual and selective Crown Store purchases make much more sense.
I've got to say, I think that lordrichter's solution is a great compromise and hope that ZOS will consider a model along these lines. I have no problem with the sub service being buffed with perks like extra inventory spaces (honestly, it needs more like this to make it a tempting option for people), but things are starting to get uncomfortably restrictive in the storage department for folks who don't have the crafting bags etc. and Morrowind's (no doubt copious) content hasn't even landed yet. ZOS is a business and can do as it wishes, but I for one would appreciate the choice of a sensible non-sub option.
Zos appreciates your business. However, Zos has a right and responsibility (to the stockholders) to change the ESO+ perks to make the subscription packages more attractive. It is good business to do so and the crafting bag and extra storage are great ways to do so without having a direct impact on the playability of the game for those who do not sub.
You are correct that the ideas Lordrichter suggested are good ideas for Zos to add to ESO+ as well.
@lordrichter you are correct. It seems that Zos did not intend to release the information about the added bank space just yet. However, it has been confirmed by Gina via the Reddit thread that brought this to our attention.
However, I do not think they will add the perk to the crown store. Unless I have missed something it seems they are firm about the crafting bag not being added to the crown store and this would be no different.Edited by idk on April 16, 2017 7:46AM0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Wrecking_Blow_Spam wrote: »So much troll subbers in this thread, if any of you read the OP you can clearly see what's being said....
the non subbers are getting shafted and it leaves, shall we say a bad taste in the mouth.
They need the extra storage, any "subber" who says otherwise is a bitter troll.
I am not saying I need the extra bank space, but will welcome it. While one can be upset with the changes if they so desire, however, it is beneficial for Zos to encourage subscriptions as it is the most regular revenue available.
Even more so now that only 2 DLCs will drop a year and in almost 2 years of DLCs only 5 have been released making it so someone can play everything in the game at a fraction of what subscribing would cost not including the reduced price of crowns during sales like the one Zos is having now.
So it is a great business decision Zos is making with adding the extra storage to ESO+. It is a business decision made by the business side of Zos.
Be upset if you care, but there are other game with similar business models that block out major content from those who do not sub, no PvP, no raiding and lack of ability to equip epic gear even if they get it as a drop. Oh, and limiting how much in game currency they can have on a character, anything over the limit goes into escrow which limits how much they can spend on a single item from the player market.
You think non-subs are getting the shaft, not even close. Try SWTOR to see how it can be.2 -
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✭Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »Wrecking_Blow_Spam wrote: »So much troll subbers in this thread, if any of you read the OP you can clearly see what's being said....
the non subbers are getting shafted and it leaves, shall we say a bad taste in the mouth.
They need the extra storage, any "subber" who says otherwise is a bitter troll.
I am not saying I need the extra bank space, but will welcome it. While one can be upset with the changes if they so desire, however, it is beneficial for Zos to encourage subscriptions as it is the most regular revenue available.
Even more so now that only 2 DLCs will drop a year and in almost 2 years of DLCs only 5 have been released making it so someone can play everything in the game at a fraction of what subscribing would cost not including the reduced price of crowns during sales like the one Zos is having now.
So it is a great business decision Zos is making with adding the extra storage to ESO+. It is a business decision made by the business side of Zos.
Be upset if you care, but there are other game with similar business models that block out major content from those who do not sub, no PvP, no raiding and lack of ability to equip epic gear even if they get it as a drop. Oh, and limiting how much in game currency they can have on a character, anything over the limit goes into escrow which limits how much they can spend on a single item from the player market.
You think non-subs are getting the shaft, not even close. Try SWTOR to see how it can be.
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Im willing to bet, if they were being honest about their metrics regarding bank and inventory space. That they probably arent selling Bank Space Slots much in the Crown Store. But the Mount Training is very likely selling very well. People can get around the storage issues with mule characters and just being smart about what they do and dont need to keep. But getting around Tamriel at a reasonable pace can only be obtained through daily purchase or in Crown Store lumpsum purchases.Penniless Sellsword CompanyCaptain Paramount - Jorrhaq VhentKorith Eaglecry * Enrerion Aedihle * Laerinel Rhaev * Caius Berilius * Seylina Ithvala * H'Vak the GrimjawlTenarei Rhaev * Dazsh Ro Khar * Yynril Rothvani * Bathes-In-Coin * Anaelle Faerniil * Azjani Ma'LesAban Shahid Bakr * Kheshna gra-Gharbuk * Gallisten Bondurant * Etain Maquier * Atsu Kalame * Faulpia SeverinusWhat is better, to be born good, or to overcome your evil nature through great effort? - Paarthurnax0 -
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✭✭✭✭RedVyperOfDorne wrote: »I'm pumped for the storage. If you ask me, it's one of the best things they could give subscribers.
People who don't have upgraded space don't play enough to care. People who have upgraded space are probably still struggling to make room for everything. Doubling that gives current subscribers more reason to stay, and those who aren't, reason to join.
I'm surprised the thread wasn't automatically closed after this post. The argument is bulletproof and is rightfully reaping a mighty harvest of agrees.
To the OP credit though, double mount training and research progression should also be included.1 -
I've been playing these games since Earth and Beyond, I will never thumb my nose at more storage.0
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Im all for double bank space for subbers though. Freebs dont deserve an opinion anyways. You contribute nothing to keeping the game alive. Anywho, im an early access founder. Sad this game still has so many issues.
Still limited boring classes and lame limited skillbar
Now the housing they came out with has no storage? Wut?
No way to be a mage and use fire or ice without using a staff (yes i know the next class has water and ice)
Still cant use the same weapon on both hotbars without buying a double of the original weap.
Ugh. Was excited for the morrowind expansion.
Sad.
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GreenTea✭✭✭A friendly reminder that we've had the same bank size for 3 years.
The amount there is right now is fine, and if you are really a hoarder second accounts are very affordable (The price of a month of ESO+) to bounce off and store stuff on 8 characters + That accounts bank. Or just use a trusted friend to Return to Sender for free.
It's not Pay2Win, it's Pay for a few more time saving conveniences than you had before.Watch me derp around playing ESO twitch.tv/tea_the_khajiit
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✭✭✭Wrecking_Blow_Spam wrote: »Wrecking_Blow_Spam wrote: »You know that when you are obviously trying hard, it will actually make the negative effect?
Few days ago you guys says “Oh Most of the people don't upgrade their bank so no need for storage in housing!” and now you are like “so to increase the value of subscription we are giving subbers——more storage! You guys sure love it!”
This is not how it works.
You could give subbers all kinds of benefit that make ppl want to sub （like double speed for trait research and mount training while online, or free pvp items Every week, hell even a pvp item bag is welcome), but no you have to give the burden to storage alone.
And that will lead to, when people are forced to find a way （mule, mailing each other, second account etc） to solve the storage provlem, the decline of subscription.
I will Seriously consider quit the sub （not the game, and i will buy things in crown store to Support ZOS, but I probably won't sub anymore because I don't like the way this is going）, and I know I am not the only one.
So ZOS, if you really want to make more people sub, give us something else except for storage
People complaining about free stuff? Nothing new here
Please, teach me how to sub for free!
So much this ^^^
I'm ok with subscribers having crafting bag but come on, seriously Zo$?
Giving them actual bank space and non subscribers get jack crap? That's some bullcrap.
Non subs NEED extra bank space too.
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I don't and won't sub out of principle, inventory is a massive headache.
I've got my own guild bank which helps but all these BoP items are a pain to manage.
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Yep. ZOS should totally give extra benefits to the people who aren't supporting the game with a sub. Yep. Makes complete sense. [/sarcasm] Not.
You don't and won't sub, but you are admitting to gaming the system to get a 500 slot guild bank to yourself. So you have your normal bank space, plus the 500 guild bank slots available. AND you're complaining that subbers are going to get more bank space. Double the normal bank space that still isn't equal to the normal space + 500 slots..... Akatosh, hypocrite much?
Nice ramble there bud, feel better?
I'm not supporting the game because I don't sub? Some seriously flawed logic that is, so you assuming all non subs don't: buy dlc, buy crowns (for mounts etc) etc.
Yes non subbers support the game so don't be so blinded by whatever sad entitlement you have.
And I'm a hypocrite somehow? lol gg
My own guild bank? Is for all the crafting mats (there's 100s of different mats).... but alas the issue is the sheer volume of BoP sets.
As I said earlier if you're an end game player with multiple characters and roles, you'll have a whole host of different BoP sets, and you likely need mules atm for them (I do).
(My bank is maxed out btw)
Yep. Apparently you have access to a "normal" bank. That's what, 240 spaces? And you have a private "guild" bank, that's 500 spaces. So you personally have 740 bank spaces without subbing. 740 versus 240, without a sub. Even with a sub, people will only have 480 [proposed]
And you seem to be bent out of shape that people who sub and *don't* have a private guild bank are going to get the opportunity to get more bank space. That will bring the bank space up to 480 spaces. I sincerely don't believe the bank space will automatically appear. I do believe we will have the chance to spend more gold/crowns to add the "extra" spaces.
I have 12 characters currently. All 12 are cp543. While I don't pvp, I am collecting sets. I have a crafting bag. And my normal bank space is maxed and full; sets I'm collecting, items for trading to guildies.... As for the crafting mats, yes, I know. I've been in 4 active guilds for a long time, and I craft for all of them. I need to have mats of all levels on hand to do that. Strangely enough, I managed to do that with 8 characters and the normal amount of bank space before the crafting bag. It would be more of a hassle now with the sets I'm collecting, but it could still be managed.
I'm planning on adding the two additional character slots that will show up with Morrowind as well.
Non-subs might support the game sporadically. Occasionally buying crowns or the dlc or a mount they like. The subscriptions are there for a least a month, or three, or six, steady. Many of the subscriptions also buy more crowns, buy the dlc, buy the costume or mount in addition. I have all the dlc bought in case I want to drop my sub for any reason and bought crowns for other things.
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✭At first, I didn't pay any mind to the discussion. Regardless of the double space or not, I really didn't see a need for a change.
But that has changed. Between all the garbage I'm fishing out of the water and the trillions of motifs I now have from the daily writ anniversary boxes, I'm running out of room of my 200 bank space.
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If you're not contributing your opinion is meaningless.
Also the occasional crown purchase doesn't count, you are an unreliable source at best and probably only buying them when they are on sale.
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Fallen_Ray✭✭✭✭✭Shadowasrial wrote: »I think they should double storage for all players subs and non subs and double the double storage for the subs. Because to be honest if this dlc is as big as they say it is we are going to need space regardless if your new or not. So double it and then double it again for subs.
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CireNesnomis✭✭I'm confused as to ANY complaint.
I sub. Subbing is less than $15/month! You can't go to a movie, get popcorn, & drink for $15.
Storage is a problem for nearly every Subber (unless they are brand new). ZOS rewards subbers by giving us more storage for FREE.
I play ESO more hours than a single movie. Free Stuff = Celebrate!
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CireNesnomis wrote: »I'm confused as to ANY complaint.
I sub. Subbing is less than $15/month! You can't go to a movie, get popcorn, & drink for $15.
Storage is a problem for nearly every Subber (unless they are brand new). ZOS rewards subbers by giving us more storage for FREE.
I play ESO more hours than a single movie. Free Stuff = Celebrate!
People want the benefits but none of the cost. Go figure.1 -
MNsnowtaTy✭✭✭Yeah I'm a little confused here, why are some of us so upset over the fact that ZOS is rewarding those who play and pay for the subscription? If you want it, then pay for it, if you don't then manage your space as you have been.
To me it sounds like we have two kids, the first kid did his chores and got a cookie. The second kid didn't do his chores and sees the other kid eating his cookie and he wants one too.
I'm sorry, but at the end of the day I don't feel sorry for people who aren't subscribing. I pay because I enjoy the game and I want it to last forever. So you're welcome all non-subscribers that play regularly, because apparently I pay so that you can play too.2 -
Xylphan✭✭✭✭masterbroodub17_ESO wrote: »CireNesnomis wrote: »I'm confused as to ANY complaint.
I sub. Subbing is less than $15/month! You can't go to a movie, get popcorn, & drink for $15.
Storage is a problem for nearly every Subber (unless they are brand new). ZOS rewards subbers by giving us more storage for FREE.
I play ESO more hours than a single movie. Free Stuff = Celebrate!
People want the benefits but none of the cost. Go figure.
That's what I can't figure out though. You can have all the benefits with VERY LITTLE cost. The highest cost sub is $15 a month. That's:
1. A large pizza.
2. A movie ticket plus snack/drink
3. A DVD/Blu-Ray
4. A six pack (or 12 pack going with the cheap stuff) and chips/salsa
5. A couple of beers at a bar
Now if your budget is really so tight you can't afford that, then you need to re-examine your spending habits. Just about every other monthly service you care to name is a hell of lot more than that. You can get that much extra a month just by changing your thermostat by a couple of degrees. If you're a kid you can get that much by going out a mowing a couple of lawns.
The "can't afford it" excuse gets used way too much on here. If people's budgets are really that tight then they should probably be trying to do something more productive with their time than playing games, as they're literally one unexpected expense away from financial disaster.1 -
Flattedfifth✭✭✭You know that when you are obviously trying hard, it will actually make the negative effect?
Few days ago you guys says “Oh Most of the people don't upgrade their bank so no need for storage in housing!” and now you are like “so to increase the value of subscription we are giving subbers——more storage! You guys sure love it!”
This is not how it works.
You could give subbers all kinds of benefit that make ppl want to sub （like double speed for trait research and mount training while online, or free pvp items Every week, hell even a pvp item bag is welcome), but no you have to give the burden to storage alone.
And that will lead to, when people are forced to find a way （mule, mailing each other, second account etc） to solve the storage provlem, the decline of subscription.
I will Seriously consider quit the sub （not the game, and i will buy things in crown store to Support ZOS, but I probably won't sub anymore because I don't like the way this is going）, and I know I am not the only one.
So ZOS, if you really want to make more people sub, give us something else except for storage
Lmao instead of storage you think a more "fair: thing to do is give out free in game items? hahahhahahaha0 -
Inhuman003✭✭✭✭✭ZoS add the double backspace for inventory for subscribers and increase the bank space for non-subscribers to five hundred or two thousand, and I'll be ready to loot farming
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The "can't afford it" excuse gets used way too much on here. If people's budgets are really that tight then they should probably be trying to do something more productive with their time than playing games, as they're literally one unexpected expense away from financial disaster.
This.
Edited by masterbroodub17_ESO on April 17, 2017 6:43PM1 -
seaef✭✭✭✭✭masterbroodub17_ESO wrote: »
The "can't afford it" excuse gets used way too much on here. If people's budgets are really that tight then they should probably be trying to do something more productive with their time than playing games, as they're literally one unexpected expense away from financial disaster.
This.
This x2
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