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Warden swarm ability. Why no stam morph?
TheNuminous1
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Planning a bow build for the warden and I can't get over the fact that the big dot move you get from the pet tree has no stamina morph! Why?????
Anybody else thrown off by this? Hopefully when this hits live that the morph choices get changed for some skills.
And no additional benefits to the cliff racer stam morph?? That's absurd!!!
Anybody else thrown off by this? Hopefully when this hits live that the morph choices get changed for some skills.
And no additional benefits to the cliff racer stam morph?? That's absurd!!!
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datgladiatah✭✭✭It definitely should do poison damage. They're like bees, y'know? I like that one is an aoe and one does higher damage on rotation, but one or the other should be stamina or one of them should scale off the highest stat like Flames of Oblivion0 -
Stamden✭✭✭✭✭
✭Let's just hope they listen to feedback and make this class more suited to stam (specifically bow builds).PC NA
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It should, I hope that changes. Grand Master Crafter, Beta baby who grew with the game. PC/NA. @Sheezabeast if you have crafting needs!0 -
Mashille✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Not all Class Dps abilities have Stam Morphs so why does Warden need a Stam Morph for all dps abilities? Nightblades don't have a Stam morph for Crippling Grasp etc.House Baratheon: 'Ours Is The Fury'10 -
theher0not✭✭✭✭✭Not all Class Dps abilities have Stam Morphs so why does Warden need a Stam Morph for all dps abilities? Nightblades don't have a Stam morph for Crippling Grasp etc.
why not? stamina is already super boring since most of our skills are from weapon lines and since everyone can use them they will be weaker than class skills since they must be balanced so all classes can use them without being op (basicly all classes have to suffer if it is OP for just one).Edited by theher0not on April 13, 2017 11:57PM1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭theher0not wrote: »Not all Class Dps abilities have Stam Morphs so why does Warden need a Stam Morph for all dps abilities? Nightblades don't have a Stam morph for Crippling Grasp etc.
why not? stamina is already super boring since most of our skills are from weapon lines and since everyone can use them they will be weaker than class skills since they must be balanced so all classes can use them without being op (basicly all classes have to suffer if it is OP for just one).
Yeah, so many magicka Templars using Wrecking blow and Rapid strikes to spice up their rotations...Make Rush of Agony "Monsters only." People should not be consecutively crowd controlled in a PvP setting. Period.3 -
Stamden✭✭✭✭✭
✭Not all Class Dps abilities have Stam Morphs so why does Warden need a Stam Morph for all dps abilities? Nightblades don't have a Stam morph for Crippling Grasp etc.
Which is exactly why you do bring things like Stam NBs into trial groups.
Yes, the base four classes were poorly designed to work with stamina setups and that is why this game is dominated by magika setups. There is no reason to make the same mistake again. All we want is one class where you are not reliant on boring weapon skills to do anything.PC NA
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✭Not all Class Dps abilities have Stam Morphs so why does Warden need a Stam Morph for all dps abilities? Nightblades don't have a Stam morph for Crippling Grasp etc.
Because it makes sense. Bees have stingers that inject venom into their victims, so a swarm of bees in reality should be a combination of physical and poison damage.Bosmer Stamina NB
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Vosital✭✭✭✭This skill would be perfect with bow builds. If Warden releases with still no stamina morph for this skill, I will be so disappointed..3 -
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✭This skill would be perfect with bow builds. If Warden releases with still no stamina morph for this skill, I will be so disappointed..
Same. This can finally give a stamina class good cleave damage in trials.
The meta of liquid lightning and wall of elements with destro ult will still be stronger, but giving swarm a stamina morph gives at least stam wardens a fighting chance.Bosmer Stamina NB
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✭✭✭✭✭You're asking to give the only other true damage-dealing Warden skill a Stamina morph. I doubt it'll happen, but I do somewhat agree with you.
The reason we aren't seeing a Stam morph for this skill is because the entire class has only THREE damage-dealing skills (Dive, Scorch, Swarm), which is significantly less than other classes.
ZOS decided to load Warden up with skills that can only be used on Health-stacked tank cancer PvP builds too (Impaling Shards, Arctic Wind) and not give them their rightful Magicka-scaling damage morphs.
Two of those three available damage-dealing skills have Stamina morphs already too. Usually Stamina gets most of their skills from Weapon trees while Magicka gets most skills from Class trees. In this case, adding another Stam morph will hurt Magicka even more on the Warden class.Edited by Vaoh on April 15, 2017 7:08PM2 -
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✭✭You're asking to give the only other true damage-dealing Warden skill a Stamina morph. I doubt it'll happen, but I do somewhat agree with you.
The reason we aren't seeing a Stam morph for this skill is because the entire class has only THREE damage-dealing skills (Dive, Scorch, Swarm), which is significantly less than other classes.
ZOS decided to load Warden up with skills that can only be used on Health-stacked tank cancer PvP builds too (Impaling Shards, Arctic Wind) and not give them their rightful Magicka-scaling damage morphs.
Two of those three available damage-dealing skills have Stamina morphs already too. Usually Stamina gets most of their skills from Weapon trees while Magicka gets most skills from Class trees. In this case, adding another Stam morph will hurt Magicka even more on the Warden class.
Hurt? Maybe a diversity a little. If stamina got one of those morph it would mean whole 1 skill more for stam warden, while no skill lost for magicka warden. That is definitely good trade in my book and I dont even mean it as stam player.
But I get your frustration. While stam has access to 10 weapon skills + 3 stam warden skills. Mag only to 5+4. Look to it from the other other side. Ranged stam builds have even less damaging skills and thats with warden, the one with most ranged skillsEdited by SodanTok on April 15, 2017 7:27PM1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭I think warden have already enough stam morphs. And in case of DoT's You still have endless hail and poison injection from bow.0 -
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✭You're asking to give the only other true damage-dealing Warden skill a Stamina morph. I doubt it'll happen, but I do somewhat agree with you.
The reason we aren't seeing a Stam morph for this skill is because the entire class has only THREE damage-dealing skills (Dive, Scorch, Swarm), which is significantly less than other classes.
ZOS decided to load Warden up with skills that can only be used on Health-stacked tank cancer PvP builds too (Impaling Shards, Arctic Wind) and not give them their rightful Magicka-scaling damage morphs.
Two of those three available damage-dealing skills have Stamina morphs already too. Usually Stamina gets most of their skills from Weapon trees while Magicka gets most skills from Class trees. In this case, adding another Stam morph will hurt Magicka even more on the Warden class.
This guy got it.
I'm impressed that no one is complaining about the future meta of 100k health wardens spamming heals and dealing more damage than my Stam DK broken build.
Fortunately I won't play Open World PvP anymore once Battlegrounds hits but what about the rest of people? I guess they don't theorycraft like me
Edited by Kay1 on April 15, 2017 8:34PMK1 The Big Monkey0 -
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✭Not all Class Dps abilities have Stam Morphs so why does Warden need a Stam Morph for all dps abilities? Nightblades don't have a Stam morph for Crippling Grasp etc.
Wardens have significantly less damage spells than nightblade, and it's a spell that makes perfect sense for a stamina damage type... swarm of bugs? Poison? Disease? Physical?...
No, magick of course. A swarm of bugs does magic damage.If you quote someone, and intend for them to see what you have said, be sure to Mention them with @[insert name].3 -
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✭Name the number of classes that have a stamina DOT.
One, Dragon Knight.
Edit: two Hurricane is classified as a DoT
The chances of Warden getting a stamina DOT are under 20%.Edited by acw37162 on April 16, 2017 4:06AM0 -
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Yep, even thematically it makes no sense for Swarm not to be based of stamina/poison.KochDerDamonen wrote: »Not all Class Dps abilities have Stam Morphs so why does Warden need a Stam Morph for all dps abilities? Nightblades don't have a Stam morph for Crippling Grasp etc.
Wardens have significantly less damage spells than nightblade, and it's a spell that makes perfect sense for a stamina damage type... swarm of bugs? Poison? Disease? Physical?...
No, magick of course. A swarm of bugs does magic damage.
Which one of the many reasons stamina is terrible in this game. NOW is the time for Zenimax to make stamina viable on a new class.Name the number of classes that have a stamina DOT.
One, Dragon Knight.
The chances of Warden getting a stamina DOT are under 20%.PC NA
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✭It just frustrates me cause they advertised that stamina bow builds would work with warden and the big ticker that made me think that was the swarm dot and the cliff racer but no stam with the swarm and no additional effects with the racers stam morph.its a let down and I hope it gets changed3 -
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✭TheNuminous1 wrote: »It just frustrates me cause they advertised that stamina bow builds would work with warden and the big ticker that made me think that was the swarm dot and the cliff racer but no stam with the swarm and no additional effects with the racers stam morph.its a let down and I hope it gets changed
Yup that's all we can do at this point. Cross our fingers and hope that ZoS shows mercy on the people who are tired of running around with Staves for the entirety of the game.PC NA
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DragonBound✭✭✭✭✭I already said this before and I will say it again this game needs more stam morphs in general and what they should do is add 2 stam morphs and 2 magicka morphs per skill so we have real options.0
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Yep, even thematically it makes no sense for Swarm not to be based of stamina/poison.KochDerDamonen wrote: »Not all Class Dps abilities have Stam Morphs so why does Warden need a Stam Morph for all dps abilities? Nightblades don't have a Stam morph for Crippling Grasp etc.
Wardens have significantly less damage spells than nightblade, and it's a spell that makes perfect sense for a stamina damage type... swarm of bugs? Poison? Disease? Physical?...
No, magick of course. A swarm of bugs does magic damage.
Which one of the many reasons stamina is terrible in this game. NOW is the time for Zenimax to make stamina viable on a new class.Name the number of classes that have a stamina DOT.
One, Dragon Knight.
The chances of Warden getting a stamina DOT are under 20%.
The reason stamina is terrible is magica classes can get in most cases the same or better damage then most stamina classes with the added functionality of more surviveability.
Only a select few will get to test warden in closed beta, which is a separate issue.
I'm fine with Warden not getting a stamina DOT, stand by my prediction it's under 20% chance and I think 20% is overly generous estimation on my account.
Cliff Racer getting an extra effect I could see but it will cost something damage, range, or something else.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭KochDerDamonen wrote: »Not all Class Dps abilities have Stam Morphs so why does Warden need a Stam Morph for all dps abilities? Nightblades don't have a Stam morph for Crippling Grasp etc.
Wardens have significantly less damage spells than nightblade, and it's a spell that makes perfect sense for a stamina damage type... swarm of bugs? Poison? Disease? Physical?...
No, magick of course. A swarm of bugs does magic damage.
Well those are bugs that You summon with magic same like other pets. You havn't founded some hive and stoled bees from it You summoned them with use of magic.0 -
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✭✭Where are morphs listed?
Why don't you site your sources before crying about somthing that has not happened?
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]KingYogi415 wrote: »Where are morphs listed?
Why don't you site your sources before crying about somthing that has not happened?
Cheers!
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