Dear ZOS, don't let double bank for subber happen

Terror · April 2017

I'll take the double bank space, they don't have to give us anything at all... be grateful.

acw37162 · April 2017

I support double bank space.

I also support the OP's freedom to unsub, enjoy your I intend to enjoy mine.

brandonv516 · April 2017

Look at the bright side: They could have raised the price of subscribing with no additional incentive.

This could still happen a year from now though, so there's that.

OrphanHelgen · April 2017

wiz12268b14_ESO wrote: »

OrphanHelgen wrote: »

Speed and items would be pay to win. Bank space doesn't affect new players who want to see if they like the game or not. Double bank space are spot on in my opinion.

Pick ANY other MMO with a sub optional approach...RIFT, LOTRO, Swotor, Wildstar, and probably a few more. If they offered "double bank space'' as an incentive for subbing would anyone actually care, let alone be a major selling point for subscribing?

Like I said the ONLY reason people care in this game is because the biggest monetized portion of this game is inventory.

Still pay 2 win

Uriel_Nocturne · April 2017

OrphanHelgen wrote: »

wiz12268b14_ESO wrote: »

OrphanHelgen wrote: »

Speed and items would be pay to win. Bank space doesn't affect new players who want to see if they like the game or not. Double bank space are spot on in my opinion.

Pick ANY other MMO with a sub optional approach...RIFT, LOTRO, Swotor, Wildstar, and probably a few more. If they offered "double bank space'' as an incentive for subbing would anyone actually care, let alone be a major selling point for subscribing?

Like I said the ONLY reason people care in this game is because the biggest monetized portion of this game is inventory.

Still pay 2 win

It is not P2W.

Not even close.

ThePaleItalian · April 2017

OrphanHelgen wrote: »

wiz12268b14_ESO wrote: »

OrphanHelgen wrote: »

Speed and items would be pay to win. Bank space doesn't affect new players who want to see if they like the game or not. Double bank space are spot on in my opinion.

Pick ANY other MMO with a sub optional approach...RIFT, LOTRO, Swotor, Wildstar, and probably a few more. If they offered "double bank space'' as an incentive for subbing would anyone actually care, let alone be a major selling point for subscribing?

Like I said the ONLY reason people care in this game is because the biggest monetized portion of this game is inventory.

Still pay 2 win

How is it?

kargen27 · April 2017

The double bank space is going to allow me to delete my two mules and create characters I actually want to play. So in a roundabout way they are giving me my two character slots for Warden when Morrowind hits.

MissBizz · April 2017

brandonv516 wrote: »

Look at the bright side: They could have raised the price of subscribing with no additional incentive.

This could still happen a year from now though, so there's that.

That happened to me when they went B2P and decided to take currency into account

Kalante · April 2017

LOLOLOL So they didn't let housing have any sort of storage because ZOS said "Most of the people don't upgrade their bank so no need for storage in housing" making people very upset and disappointed mind you. In response to what ZOS said, there was huge poll thread made asking if people have ran out of storage and guess what? YES, the majority of people that voted said they have ran out of storage and there needs to be more thus destroying ZOS's argument. So there was no reason why they excluded storage for housing. They stayed quiet and with typical ZOS fashion they never replied to the storage poll thread regarding the issue of having no storage because it didn't fit well with their narrative. Just like the barbershop input.

If ZOS straight up said people don't upgrade their bank so there is no need for more storage then how come they feel the need to put it as an ESO plus benefit unless there is a market for it? Because THERE IS and everything else was just a lie. The sad part is that people are praising more storage with ESO plus when they got straight up lied to their face. It's hilarious.

Now here comes the ZOS champions saying that it was expected and saying "Complain about getting free stuff" I am sorry but how is it getting "free" storage if you are paying REAL MONEY to get it? when it could have been there for free when you bought your house.

LOL.

t3hdubzy · April 2017

Lyserus wrote: »

You know that when you are obviously trying hard, it will actually make the negative effect?

Few days ago you guys says “Oh Most of the people don't upgrade their bank so no need for storage in housing!” and now you are like “so to increase the value of subscription we are giving subbers——more storage! You guys sure love it!”

This is not how it works.

You could give subbers all kinds of benefit that make ppl want to sub （like double speed for trait research and mount training while online, or free pvp items Every week, hell even a pvp item bag is welcome), but no you have to give the burden to storage alone.
And that will lead to, when people are forced to find a way （mule, mailing each other, second account etc） to solve the storage provlem, the decline of subscription.

I will Seriously consider quit the sub （not the game, and i will buy things in crown store to Support ZOS, but I probably won't sub anymore because I don't like the way this is going）, and I know I am not the only one.

So ZOS, if you really want to make more people sub, give us something else except for storage

Disagree, i want more storage. And 65k plus for an upgrade when i have to make real effort to makr thst kind of money.....

I sub so ill gladly take free storage for subbing

SantieClaws · April 2017

Someone they summoned this one yes?

Khajiit she will make a deal. Anyone who has too many of the things then this one is most willing to take all of the things and put them in her own bank space yes.

Please note The Bank of Khajiit is only open for withdrawals on the 42nd day of each month.

Yours with paws
Santie Claws

Sinolai · April 2017

I am ok with subbers getting double bank space but they should not neglect the non-subscripting player base. We need more sotrage too. Increasing the maximium bank space to 300 would be sufficient, let subscribers have 600. I am also feeling a bit cheated for their attempt to take all the fun from the game if you are not subscribing. When I started the subscription was voluntary and gave a small boost to xp and gold gain, as well as the crowns. Now, it's starting to feel like the non-subscribing version is just a demo to let people test the game for free (Expect we still have to pay for it) and then pay monthly subscriptions to unlock the full game.

If I have to start paying subscription fees just to enjoy this game I could as well switch to WoW. Atleast they don't make me feel cheated when I pay the subscription.

Troneon · April 2017

I agree with OP but I am ******** dying for more storage so screw it!!

Tandor · April 2017

Kalante wrote: »

Now here comes the ZOS champions saying that it was expected and saying "Complain about getting free stuff" I am sorry but how is it getting "free" storage if you are paying REAL MONEY to get it? when it could have been there for free when you bought your house.

It's free because the sub will cost the same the day before it is introduced as it will cost the day after. There is no extra charge associated with it. Ergo, it's free.

STEVIL · April 2017

Kalante wrote: »

LOLOLOL So they didn't let housing have any sort of storage because ZOS said "Most of the people don't upgrade their bank so no need for storage in housing" making people very upset and disappointed mind you. In response to what ZOS said, there was huge poll thread made asking if people have ran out of storage and guess what? YES, the majority of people that voted said they have ran out of storage and there needs to be more thus destroying ZOS's argument. So there was no reason why they excluded storage for housing. They stayed quiet and with typical ZOS fashion they never replied to the storage poll thread regarding the issue of having no storage because it didn't fit well with their narrative. Just like the barbershop input.

If ZOS straight up said people don't upgrade their bank so there is no need for more storage then how come they feel the need to put it as an ESO plus benefit unless there is a market for it? Because THERE IS and everything else was just a lie. The sad part is that people are praising more storage with ESO plus when they got straight up lied to their face. It's hilarious.

Now here comes the ZOS champions saying that it was expected and saying "Complain about getting free stuff" I am sorry but how is it getting "free" storage if you are paying REAL MONEY to get it? when it could have been there for free when you bought your house.

LOL.

Ok so got to do this again? Man.

ZOS said active players and players when they talked about how many had maxed their storage options and how many had done any storage upticks at all.

polls on forums get a small subset of the player-base, not representative at all.

Subbers are also a subset of the player-base and likely not representative sampling of the active players or players.

So, using those things together to derive some mismatch theory... its like polling about climate change in whole foods and then using that to extrapolate the patterns of the population as a whole.

its one of the classic fallacies: elephants/mammals, mammals/elephants - that kind of thing. So at least while making erroneous comparisons or conclusions or crownspiracy fodder - you are doing it with a classic illogic.

Shad0wfire99 · April 2017

Don't care. Never subbing to this broken game again anyway.

alexkdd99 · April 2017

Acrolas wrote: »

The perks aren't really the problem though.

The problem is that every year there's some sort of major revision that suggests a lack of a long-term written plan. And so long as it feels like they're being whimsical and unpredictable on their end, one can't help but feel at least a little bit wary about what next year's revisions will be.

Because we've all probably seen at least one company and one game/site where that next revision was a GAME OVER. And beforehand the ownership was either, "Everything's fine" or completely silent. Even though the constant restructuring and weird monetization said otherwise.

We've all probably seen the small business guy who said, "So long as just one person is interested, I'm going to keep doing this," and then he stops doing it the next year because he found something he likes better.

It's not 1995. We see the rise and fall of something in real time every single week. I'm okay with the ESO+ perks as they are right now. The perk I want for everybody is that this team will speak up early if there's ever a problem, not wait until the train full of ships is crashing and burning and sinking before saying, look we need to have a serious discussion about the future.

THAT is what keeps us playing the long game. Not bank space. Not expansions. But a two-way circuit of trust between the community and the developers. Because people can only take so much shuffling and change before they said *** this. ZOS has through Morrowind to enjoy this TES3 anniversary campaign. But starting in July, a little more insight on why past schedules did not work, and a little more empirical assurance that this new schedule is both reasonable for them and sustainable for us all.

And then keep talking to us regularly. They should know by now that we don't like silence. Nobody does, really. But even a programmer or art team article shows that somebody is willing to share some new information, even if it won't appeal to every person playing the game.

... what was this thread about again?

Don't speak for others and what keeps US playing. What keeps me playing is if I am having a good time while I play. When that is no longer the case I won't be playing.

Do some of the things they do sometimes aggregate me? Sure. But I keep playing until I am not longer having fun. What they do as a business has absolutely no bearing on whether or not I will play the game.

As far as games that make a major change and it kills the games, most of the games I know that happened to it has absolutely nothing to do with things as trivial as loot boxes or storage space.

A prime example would be SWG, they came out with a combat upgrade "cu" and it completely killed the game. Giving incentives to sub is not going to kill the game imo. If anything it will help the game.

This game seems to have a fairly large casual player base. Most casuals that I talk to play games until they are no longer fun. It is the "hardcore" gamers that complain the most and cry about communication and how developers monetize THEIR game.

Majeure · April 2017

And what if you have maxed out riding training on all classes magicka and stamina?

And what if you have researched all traits on your crafter?

What would these 'benefits' you list do, but make things you've worked for easier to obtain for others.

More storage is useful for everyone, even those who haven't maxed it out as they perhaps don't have to do so for a while longer now.

Storage in this game is a joke, even with the crafting bag, given how many item sets and traits and so forth exist. Sure, this will help alleviate the issue, but ultimately is not even enough.

WuffyCerulei · April 2017

Dragonking06 wrote: »

Someone sounds a little... Salty...

o crap it's DK

Excabor · April 2017

MORE SPACE WOOOOOOT !!!!! LOVE IT

SickDuck · April 2017

I want more bank space no matter what. This move from ZOS fits perfectly, can't see any problem with it.

It's funny people crying p2w. Every time someone opened a forum topic about the need of more inventory/bank space the general consensus was "no we don't" slash "l2p". Now that it becomes a perk for subbers it is suddenly op & p2w...

Arthur_Spoonfondle · April 2017

Right, so ZoS thought people didn't need extra storage and then, some time later, realised that customers do want extra storage. They then changed their policy accordingly and want to offer free extra bank space as an incentive to pay a monthly sub.

Offering incentives to players in order to boost income from the game. Oh what a terrible thing to do, surely no other company, running an MMORPG, would do a thing like that...

Gargath · April 2017

Lyserus wrote: »

So ZOS, if you really want to make more people sub, give us something else except for storage

I want more character slots. Why the heck sub and non-sub have the same amount of character slots? Other MMOs keep it the way as it should be - non-sub means less characters per account, sub means more or much more.
I'm not interested in buying everything for crowns, when I pay monthly real money fee.
Give the subs more "free" character slots!

MakoFore · April 2017

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JasonSilverSpring · April 2017

Gargath wrote: »

Lyserus wrote: »

So ZOS, if you really want to make more people sub, give us something else except for storage

I want more character slots. Why the heck sub and non-sub have the same amount of character slots? Other MMOs keep it the way as it should be - non-sub means less characters per account, sub means more or much more.
I'm not interested in buying everything for crowns, when I pay monthly real money fee.
Give the subs more "free" character slots!

I think the problem would be what happens if you stop you sub? Do you immediately lose access to some characters? Not sure how other MMOs handle that. So far ZOS has kept ESO+ perks so that one is not severely hampered if they cancel.

QUEZ420 · April 2017

"Subber" in the title makes me cringe.

Elsonso · April 2017

QUEZ420 wrote: »

"Subber" in the title makes me cringe.

Sounds like a small child talking about a late-night meal. Yeah. "Mommy, when is subber?"

Arthur_Spoonfondle wrote: »

Right, so ZoS thought people didn't need extra storage and then, some time later, realised that customers do want extra storage. They then changed their policy accordingly and want to offer free extra bank space as an incentive to pay a monthly sub.

I debate whether they actually intended for this to be known, and actually intended for this to be in Update 14. I find myself wondering if they were iterating over different ideas to see how they might work and accidentally left this out where it could be found. I would not be surprised if it was replaced by something else, once we finally get to see what Morrowind is all about. Outrage would run rampant, of course, but they have done things that cause outrage before. Eventually, outrage runs the course. Any players that leave because of outrage tend to get replaced by players who are not outraged.

On the other hand, while a whole lot of players may not have added to bank and bag space, it might be that the overwhelming majority of those that do are already ESO Plus members, or have been ESO Plus members. Maybe all they are doing here is giving a perk to the players who are already interested in this type of perk. They may not see this as a "big thing", but more of a "here is a nice little perk".

I still believe that the people who spend a lot of time on "inventory management", with daily access to mules and alternate accounts, are in a significantly small minority of the overall active players. Less small when grouped with current and former ESO Plus members.

gangyzgirl · April 2017

Then don't sub and struggle with your bank space. The rest of us who have been supporting the game for years now will enjoy all the extra space given so us for our support to Elder Scrolls Online.

UppGRAYxDD · April 2017

I will take OP extra bag space....

AndyTGD · April 2017

Don't mind us loyal non-subs, ZOS. We'll just sit with our meagre ration of storage spaces as you increase the number of in-world items ten fold. I would pay a reasonable price for 10-20 additional spaces if you offered a Crown Storage Chest for housing, but nope - subscription option only. You could make housing actually functional with such options and keep everyone happy.