The Gold Road Chapter – which includes the Scribing system – and Update 42 is now available to test on the PTS! You can read the latest patch notes here: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/656454/

Handicap mode for veteran dungeons, trials and arenas: CP disabled in exchange for intelligent drops

Asardes
Asardes
✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭
As everyone knows, now we have 8 or 9 possible traits for both weapons and armor, depending on content (not all content drops nirnhoned). Each trial, arena and dungeon contains 3 or more possible sets. All sorts of weapons drop for all sets. That probability distribution significantly reduces the likelihood of getting an useful, let alone optimal drop. Power creep has been an issue for a long time, and people in the upper skill bracket have complained that even end game content has become too easy.

I've thought about a sweeping solution to solve both problems in one go. Simply add an additional tick box* in the group finder that becomes available once veteran mode is selected, which will disable all CP stat buffs, bonuses and perks, the same way they are disabled by default in some PvP campaigns, but leaves the enemies and drops scaled to the current CP cap. Thus the players will become handicapped against the respective enemies, but they will become luckier as the drop table will be changed as follows:

- Armor pieces will only drop in: infused, divines, impenetrable, sturdy
- Destruction staves will only drop in: sharpened, precise, nirnhoned, charged
- Restoration staves will only drop in: powered, precise, infused, defending
- One handed melee weapons will only drop in: sharpened, precise, infused, defending
- Two handed melee weapons and bows will only drop in: sharpened, precise, nirnhoned, charged
- Medium armor sets will never drop staves
- Light armor sets will drop only staves and swords
- Heavy armor sets will drop only 1H/2H melee weapons if they have mainly stamina/weapon bonuses, but not staves or bows
- Heavy armor sets will drop only 1H melee weapons and staves if they have mainly magicka/spell bonuses, but no 2H melee weapons or bows
- Specific achievements and rewards will be added for completion in handicap mode

*If the tick box is not checked, both the CPs and the drop table will remain unchanged.
Edited by Asardes on April 4, 2017 12:04PM
Beta tester since February 2014, played ESO-TU October 2015 - August 2022, currently on an extended break
vMA (The Flawless Conqueror) | vVH (Spirit Slayer & of the Undying Song) | vDSA | vAA HM | vHRC HM | vSO HM | vMoL | vAS+1 | Emperor

PC-EU CP 3000+
41,000+ Achievement Points before High Isle
Member of:
Pact Veteran Trade: Exemplary
Traders of the Covenant: God of Sales
Tamriels Emporium: God of Sales
Valinor Overflow: Trader
The Traveling Merchant: Silver


Characters:
Asardes | 50 Nord Dragonknight | EP AR 50 | Master Crafter: all traits & recipes, all styles released before High Isle
Alxaril Nelcarion | 50 High Elf Sorcerer | AD AR 20 |
Dro'Bear Three-paws | 50 Khajiit Nightblade | AD AR 20 |
Veronique Nicole | 50 Breton Templar | DC AR 20 |
Sabina Flavia Cosades | 50 Imperial Warden | EP AR 20 |
Ervesa Neloren | 50 Dark Elf Dragonknight | EP AR 20 |
Fendar Khodwin | 50 Redguard Sorcerer | DC AR 20 |
Surilanwe of Lillandril | 50 High Elf Nightblade | AD AR 20 |
Joleen the Swift | 50 Redguard Templar | DC AR 20 |
Draynor Telvanni | 50 Dark Elf Warden | EP AR 20 |
Claudius Tharn | 50 Necromancer | DC AR 20 |
Nazura-la the Bonedancer | 50 Necromancer | AD AR 20 |

Tharkul gro-Shug | 50 Orc Dragonknight | DC AR 4 |
Ushruka gra-Lhurgash | 50 Orc Sorcerer | AD AR 4 |
Cienwen ferch Llywelyn | 50 Breton Nightblade | DC AR 4 |
Plays-with-Sunray | 50 Argonian Templar | EP AR 4 |
Milariel | 50 Wood Elf Warden | AD AR 4 |
Scheei-Jul | 50 Necromancer | EP AR 4 |

PC-NA CP 1800+
30,000+ Achievement Points before High Isle
Member of:
Savage Blade: Majestic Machette


Characters:
Asardes the Exile | 50 Nord Dragonknight | EP AR 30 |

Handicap mode for veteran dungeons, trials and arenas: CP disabled in exchange for intelligent drops 17 votes

YES, I think it's overall a good idea
58%
EdziuAnlaemarApheriusRosenrotWolfUggiAffeNordSwordnBoardAsardesHorowonnoeYubariusXeratex 10 votes
NO, It's a bad idea because (give reasons)
41%
DschiPeuntIruil_ESOKiramekuPancake-TragedyLadyNalcaryaTasearGoBlue275 7 votes
  • WarpigFunk
    WarpigFunk
    ✭✭✭
    That sounds like a helluva lot of coding ... and a helluva lot of bugs on implementation.
    PS4 [NA]
    Hingle McKringleberry - Altmer MagSorc DD The Flawless Conquerer
    Sek Sual Chocolate - Redguard StamSorc DD Stormproof
    Doktor Feelgood - Breton Templar Healz Boethia's Scythe
    Tiberius Asskickatron - Imperial DK StamTank Mageslayer
    -VERIFIED-
    -FFF-
    vAAHM 100k+, vSOHM 100k+, vHRCHM 100k+, vMoL 78k, vDSA 36k, vMA 535k
  • Izaki
    Izaki
    ✭✭✭✭✭
    ✭✭
    Just make the drops intelligent already
    @ Izaki #PCEU
    #FrenchKiss #GoneFor2YearsAndMyGuildDoesn'tRaidAnymore
    #MoreDPSthanYou
    #Stamblade
  • NordSwordnBoard
    NordSwordnBoard
    ✭✭✭✭✭
    ✭✭✭
    YES, I think it's overall a good idea
    I like the idea, but here's one potential problem:

    If some people can barely keep their head above water in a regular vet dungeon, will those same people check the box?

    I'm afraid lack of skill will not deter poor players from checking this, making the content more frustrating; as well as good players bullying others into not using the box for their own reasons.

    I do like the idea of better drops, but I'm afraid it will become a blame tool for the strong and an extra gimp to the weak.

    Maybe base it off the two key reward, or make a third tier scroll so it becomes a group decision like it is now? (not that the way it is now is perfect, but at least you can decide about the 2 key scroll based on the groups performance up to that point.)

    It's like we're haggling with ZOS for item drops to make sense...
    Fear is the Mindkiller
  • Asardes
    Asardes
    ✭✭✭✭✭
    ✭✭✭✭
    YES, I think it's overall a good idea
    To answer all 3 objections:
    - itemization is just a database that can be easily edited
    - CP suppression is already implemented in some instances, namely some PvP campaigns
    - The dungeon queue is already split between veteran and normal; It will only split veteran CP and vetran CP handicap
    Edited by Asardes on April 4, 2017 5:23PM
    Beta tester since February 2014, played ESO-TU October 2015 - August 2022, currently on an extended break
    vMA (The Flawless Conqueror) | vVH (Spirit Slayer & of the Undying Song) | vDSA | vAA HM | vHRC HM | vSO HM | vMoL | vAS+1 | Emperor

    PC-EU CP 3000+
    41,000+ Achievement Points before High Isle
    Member of:
    Pact Veteran Trade: Exemplary
    Traders of the Covenant: God of Sales
    Tamriels Emporium: God of Sales
    Valinor Overflow: Trader
    The Traveling Merchant: Silver


    Characters:
    Asardes | 50 Nord Dragonknight | EP AR 50 | Master Crafter: all traits & recipes, all styles released before High Isle
    Alxaril Nelcarion | 50 High Elf Sorcerer | AD AR 20 |
    Dro'Bear Three-paws | 50 Khajiit Nightblade | AD AR 20 |
    Veronique Nicole | 50 Breton Templar | DC AR 20 |
    Sabina Flavia Cosades | 50 Imperial Warden | EP AR 20 |
    Ervesa Neloren | 50 Dark Elf Dragonknight | EP AR 20 |
    Fendar Khodwin | 50 Redguard Sorcerer | DC AR 20 |
    Surilanwe of Lillandril | 50 High Elf Nightblade | AD AR 20 |
    Joleen the Swift | 50 Redguard Templar | DC AR 20 |
    Draynor Telvanni | 50 Dark Elf Warden | EP AR 20 |
    Claudius Tharn | 50 Necromancer | DC AR 20 |
    Nazura-la the Bonedancer | 50 Necromancer | AD AR 20 |

    Tharkul gro-Shug | 50 Orc Dragonknight | DC AR 4 |
    Ushruka gra-Lhurgash | 50 Orc Sorcerer | AD AR 4 |
    Cienwen ferch Llywelyn | 50 Breton Nightblade | DC AR 4 |
    Plays-with-Sunray | 50 Argonian Templar | EP AR 4 |
    Milariel | 50 Wood Elf Warden | AD AR 4 |
    Scheei-Jul | 50 Necromancer | EP AR 4 |

    PC-NA CP 1800+
    30,000+ Achievement Points before High Isle
    Member of:
    Savage Blade: Majestic Machette


    Characters:
    Asardes the Exile | 50 Nord Dragonknight | EP AR 30 |
  • Trihugger
    Trihugger
    ✭✭✭
    They can't even get the dungeon finder to work. What a joke.
  • VyersReaver
    VyersReaver
    ✭✭
    Cool idea. But no one will ever run DLC dungeons in this mode. It will be possible ONLY on the skill level that Hodor players are.
Sign In or Register to comment.