New Starting Zones or "Warden" Training

htmnmr4747b14_ESO · April 2017

Look a lot of us are excited for the new class (that SHOULD have been added day one), a lot of us are not looking forward to it as that means grinding OR playing through the same *** starting zones all over again. My thing or rather suggestion is that we need new starting zones or something, or like some form of Warden training similar to what Death Knights got in wow. Throws us out at lvl 40 or something but increased exp gain up to that point. I only suggest this because it's been 3 years and the same quests for the starting places and even the rest of the zones is dry and boring for the vast majority of us.

I'd also like to point out that getting achievements and not having them account wide is annoying as hell.

Kagetenchu · April 2017

New warden characters will level and tutorial through Morrwind not the current zones

htmnmr4747b14_ESO · April 2017

Kagetenchu wrote: »

New warden characters will level and tutorial through Morrwind not the current zones

REALLY? Thats amazing news if so!

alarinn · April 2017

htmnmr4747b14_ESO wrote: »

Look a lot of us are excited for the new class (that SHOULD have been added day one), a lot of us are not looking forward to it as that means grinding OR playing through the same *** starting zones all over again. My thing or rather suggestion is that we need new starting zones or something, or like some form of Warden training similar to what Death Knights got in wow. Throws us out at lvl 40 or something but increased exp gain up to that point. I only suggest this because it's been 3 years and the same quests for the starting places and even the rest of the zones is dry and boring for the vast majority of us.

I'd also like to point out that getting achievements and not having them account wide is annoying as hell.

I don't know about that. I have my main at Lvl 50 CP 42 and I figure I have 4 or 5 zones I haven't touched. I never even stepped foot in Cyrodil so there's all that too. Yeah, if you did everything to get to CP 600, but there has to be quests you did early in your build that you forgot about. And, you get to do it with a fresh class.

alarinn · April 2017

I mean like the Thieves Guild. My NB alt will probably do well in it, but it's completely difficult for my sorcerer who has no clue how to steal. He's got the running down pretty well. Even a little decent at parkour.

Kagetenchu · April 2017

htmnmr4747b14_ESO wrote: »

Kagetenchu wrote: »

New warden characters will level and tutorial through Morrwind not the current zones

REALLY? Thats amazing news if so!

Yup they mentioned it in an eso episode

MLGProPlayer · April 2017

Kagetenchu wrote: »

New warden characters will level and tutorial through Morrwind not the current zones

If only we could level up mage's guild in Morrowind without having to collect all 2 million books across Tamriel for the 10th time.

htmnmr4747b14_ESO · April 2017

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Kagetenchu wrote: »

New warden characters will level and tutorial through Morrwind not the current zones

If only we could level up mage's guild in Morrowind without having to collect all 2 million books across Tamriel for the 10th time.

THere's an addon for that.

Lylith · April 2017

alarinn wrote: »

I mean like the Thieves Guild. My NB alt will probably do well in it, but it's completely difficult for my sorcerer who has no clue how to steal. He's got the running down pretty well. Even a little decent at parkour.

work up your legerdemain skills. sorcs can be excellent thieves.

DaveMoeDee · April 2017

alarinn wrote: »

I mean like the Thieves Guild. My NB alt will probably do well in it, but it's completely difficult for my sorcerer who has no clue how to steal. He's got the running down pretty well. Even a little decent at parkour.

NB don't have an advantage at stealing since I don't think you can cloak while stealing. Where they have an advantage is passing through a zone in stealth. Spamming cloak makes that a lot easier.

There is armor though that can decrease your detection radius. You can try that in TG.

ADarklore · April 2017

Kagetenchu wrote: »

New warden characters will level and tutorial through Morrwind not the current zones

I don't think that's accurate. I believe there will be a choice as to where you want to start a new character, if you choose Morrowind, then you will go through the Morrowind tutorial, if you choose One Tamriel, then you will start in the Wailing Prison... the tutorial is not 'class specific' but start location specific. Thus, you can create a Warden and start out in the Wailing Prison, or, start out in Morrowind with the new tutorial.

xeNNNNN · April 2017

I swear to god everytime something amazing or fun or cool or great comes to a game there is always the following sentence;

"That should of been added day one".

Or something along those lines anyway, does nobody realise how stupid that is to say?

Yes everything good should of been in the game at day one.......IN WHAT REALITY?! *facedesk*.

MyKillv2.0 · April 2017

Wow, a bit entitled are we OP?

KochDerDamonen · April 2017

You can start new characters in Morrowind with the expansion

Lynx7386 · April 2017

xeNNNNN wrote: »

I swear to god everytime something amazing or fun or cool or great comes to a game there is always the following sentence;

"That should of been added day one".

Or something along those lines anyway, does nobody realise how stupid that is to say?

Yes everything good should of been in the game at day one.......IN WHAT REALITY?! *facedesk*.

Well, technically the warden was one of the original classes in alpha, but shared too many similarities to the templar and was scrapped before beta, with many abilities being altered to fit the templar instead

idk · April 2017

Kagetenchu wrote: »

New warden characters will level and tutorial through Morrwind not the current zones

Yes, Zos has said we can go through the old zones or Morrowind. That does not mean a new character would be lvl 50 after completing everything in Morrowind.

phairdon · April 2017

Lylith wrote: »

alarinn wrote: »

I mean like the Thieves Guild. My NB alt will probably do well in it, but it's completely difficult for my sorcerer who has no clue how to steal. He's got the running down pretty well. Even a little decent at parkour.

work up your legerdemain skills. sorcs can be excellent thieves.

Yes. Got 2 sorcerers. One is level 18 and the other level 19 legerdemain. Any class can steal.

Back to the topic. Really nice to know Morrowind is big enough to level a new character in.

Nerouyn · April 2017

Kagetenchu wrote: »

New warden characters will level and tutorial through Morrwind not the current zones

Nope.

New characters on accounts which own the Morrowind 'chapter' will have the option of starting in Coldharbour or Morrowind's new tutorial area.

Acrolas · April 2017

xeNNNNN wrote: »

I swear to god everytime something amazing or fun or cool or great comes to a game there is always the following sentence;

"That should of been added day one".

I hope not. It should never be should of. It's should have.

LadyDestiny · April 2017

htmnmr4747b14_ESO wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Kagetenchu wrote: »

New warden characters will level and tutorial through Morrwind not the current zones

If only we could level up mage's guild in Morrowind without having to collect all 2 million books across Tamriel for the 10th time.

THere's an addon for that.

How does that work? Are you saying that it instantly adds all lorebooks to said character, or just the locations? If that is the case, I can't believe zos would allow that.

Oakmontowls_ESO · April 2017

LadyDestiny wrote: »

htmnmr4747b14_ESO wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Kagetenchu wrote: »

New warden characters will level and tutorial through Morrwind not the current zones

If only we could level up mage's guild in Morrowind without having to collect all 2 million books across Tamriel for the 10th time.

THere's an addon for that.

How does that work? Are you saying that it instantly adds all lorebooks to said character, or just the locations? If that is the case, I can't believe zos would allow that.

just locations

Enodoc · April 2017

ADarklore wrote: »

Kagetenchu wrote: »

New warden characters will level and tutorial through Morrwind not the current zones

I don't think that's accurate. I believe there will be a choice as to where you want to start a new character, if you choose Morrowind, then you will go through the Morrowind tutorial, if you choose One Tamriel, then you will start in the Wailing Prison... the tutorial is not 'class specific' but start location specific. Thus, you can create a Warden and start out in the Wailing Prison, or, start out in Morrowind with the new tutorial.

Nerouyn wrote: »

Kagetenchu wrote: »

New warden characters will level and tutorial through Morrwind not the current zones

Nope.
New characters on accounts which own the Morrowind 'chapter' will have the option of starting in Coldharbour or Morrowind's new tutorial area.

I wonder if there will be a choice. I don't think they have actually said one way or the other. I certainly hope there is, and it doesn't just automatically push you through the Morrowind tutorial regardless. That's something to check in the beta test.

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

Kagetenchu wrote: »

New warden characters will level and tutorial through Morrwind not the current zones

Yes, Zos has said we can go through the old zones or Morrowind. That does not mean a new character would be lvl 50 after completing everything in Morrowind.

The prediction is that you'll get to about Level 30 by completing everything in Morrowind.

LMar · April 2017

Yeah basically they said you can choose to start the tutorial in Morrowind or normally. If you start in Morrowind then when you leave Morrowind to go to the base game then the whole Molag Bal plot and your death/respawning in Coldharbour will occur.

Enodoc · April 2017

LMar wrote: »

Yeah basically they said you can choose to start the tutorial in Morrowind or normally. If you start in Morrowind then when you leave Morrowind to go to the base game then the whole Molag Bal plot and your death/respawning in Coldharbour will occur.

Here's a thing - if your death to Mannimarco occurs after leaving Vvardenfell, how are you able to use Wayshrines and soul gems before that?

Stamden · April 2017

Kind of off topic but I'd really like it if there were more account-wide things. Achievements, map pin/wayshrine discoveries, and maybe even a toggle option to have quest completion transfer over.

Lynx7386 · April 2017

Enodoc wrote: »

LMar wrote: »

Yeah basically they said you can choose to start the tutorial in Morrowind or normally. If you start in Morrowind then when you leave Morrowind to go to the base game then the whole Molag Bal plot and your death/respawning in Coldharbour will occur.

Here's a thing - if your death to Mannimarco occurs after leaving Vvardenfell, how are you able to use Wayshrines and soul gems before that?

How are you able to use them after getting your soul back?

Asardes · April 2017

Zone one:
Port to Alik'r
Type in zone chat: +dolmen

Zone two:
Port to Craglorn
Type in zone chat: LFG Skyreach carry 2K gold/run

Just like any new char nowadays

LMar · April 2017

Enodoc wrote: »

LMar wrote: »

Yeah basically they said you can choose to start the tutorial in Morrowind or normally. If you start in Morrowind then when you leave Morrowind to go to the base game then the whole Molag Bal plot and your death/respawning in Coldharbour will occur.

Here's a thing - if your death to Mannimarco occurs after leaving Vvardenfell, how are you able to use Wayshrines and soul gems before that?

Good point. One that is probably overlooked in favour of game mechanics! (Plus we don't know how the Morrowind tutorial plays out. For example, after you finish Morrowind and travel to the main game, why and how would a high level hero who saved Morrowind be ambushed and killed by Worm Cultists and sacrificed so easily)

Lynx7386 wrote: »

How are you able to use them after getting your soul back?

Your soul is already unmoored from the Mundus and since your body was reformed from chaotic creatia then soul gems can probably restore your body by providing enough anuic energy (plus all the skyshards solidifying your body over the course of the game :P )

Enodoc · April 2017

Lynx7386 wrote: »

Enodoc wrote: »

LMar wrote: »

Yeah basically they said you can choose to start the tutorial in Morrowind or normally. If you start in Morrowind then when you leave Morrowind to go to the base game then the whole Molag Bal plot and your death/respawning in Coldharbour will occur.

Here's a thing - if your death to Mannimarco occurs after leaving Vvardenfell, how are you able to use Wayshrines and soul gems before that?

How are you able to use them after getting your soul back?

For the Wayshrines, your soul only had to be unmoored from the Mundus temporarily for that to work. Even after you've got your soul back, you are still attuned to the network. For soul gems, your body is still made of Chaotic Creatia, and as such will still reform after being killed when it comes into contact with an Anuic focus (a filled soul gem or a wayshrine). It's unclear what actually happens to your own soul when you get it back, but common theory is that it ends up cohabiting your body in tandem with the Daedric vestige that was initially put there. Even if your soul outright replaces the Daedric vestige, the body is still made of Chaotic Creatia, so the theory still works.