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Still really missing auction house.
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Ozstryker✭✭✭✭Rich trading guilds have been running the economy for years they decide everything from the price to which of their guilds will use that trader for this week and they feel very powerful doing it so trust me they will never let this happen and if one day Zenimax decide to finally implement it you will see hundreds and hundreds of threads asking for a removal of auction houses.
When (for example) potatoes cost 10k each the backlash from regular players will be deafening... although "rich guilds" and gold sellers will be laughing all the way to the virtual bank.
The reason rich guilds are rich is because they know what to actually sell and what the average prices are. They're in competition with each other as well, sure there are some plots and alliances but there is no one person who could control the entire market of the game no matter how much they wished it.
Not that many people can agree for a long time.
Absolutely, you make my point... in a central AH system though, individuals would manipulate the entire system
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✭Churga_Hral wrote: »There's no internet in Tamriel, so it doesn't make sense to have a global auction-house.
Plus they only have ships and carts for shipping. They don't even have a railroad system (unless the Dwemer built an underground system that I don't know about yet).
@Churga_Hral
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Cherryblossom✭✭✭✭✭
✭Rich trading guilds have been running the economy for years they decide everything from the price to which of their guilds will use that trader for this week and they feel very powerful doing it so trust me they will never let this happen and if one day Zenimax decide to finally implement it you will see hundreds and hundreds of threads asking for a removal of auction houses.
When (for example) potatoes cost 10k each the backlash from regular players will be deafening... although "rich guilds" and gold sellers will be laughing all the way to the virtual bank.
The reason rich guilds are rich is because they know what to actually sell and what the average prices are. They're in competition with each other as well, sure there are some plots and alliances but there is no one person who could control the entire market of the game no matter how much they wished it.
Not that many people can agree for a long time.
Absolutely, you make my point... in a central AH system though, individuals would manipulate the entire system
This is quite simply wrong, you can still manipulate the market with Traders, I've seen it done and I've done it myself.
The difference to a Central Market is it takes longer to even out, because as many have said, people don't like shopping around so they won't find the new listings at a lower price.
Just in case anyone wants to do this, choose an item that sells fairly well, buy all available in the main Hub areas, then sell in your 5 Trade guilds in each of the areas for an inflated price. I can easily get a 20% return on my investment. After a week and a half most other guilds are now following your new pricing.2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭To those complaining about a GLOBAL AUCTION HOUSE:
I know you came from another game. probably WoW, or GW2, or even Diablo. But Elder Scrolls Online is not those games. It doesnt matter that you feel like GAH is an industry defining feature, ESO is allowed to implement their own system and feel to their game.
The Guild Trader phenomenon is incredible when you really look deep into the workings of the system. The very player base itself has generated an entire subculture that is vastly and intricately managed - AMOUNGST PLAYERS. Alliances were forged and broken, espionage to obtain a valuable trade location, you name it, its probably happened. Not to mention the GMs of these powerhouse Trade Guilds and how much time and effort they put in to keeping their engines running. It gives your guild a sense of pride to own a trader that costs hundreds of thousands of gold to maintain a week.
these PLAYERS and guilds have made a name for themselves and its because of this beautiful system we have in ESO. I never said its perfect, but its different. just like ESO is very different than any other mmo on the market. Tell me what other mmos let you pick pocket NPCs and loot every crate you can see? the ATTENTION to detail sets ESO apart from the competition and has made it the reigning game in its genre since One Tamriel.
My suggestion? stop complaining and EMBRACE this game and everything it has to offer. If you continue to reject core game systems, you will not be around long.RickterESO
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✭✭✭✭✭Cherryblossom wrote: »Rich trading guilds have been running the economy for years they decide everything from the price to which of their guilds will use that trader for this week and they feel very powerful doing it so trust me they will never let this happen and if one day Zenimax decide to finally implement it you will see hundreds and hundreds of threads asking for a removal of auction houses.
When (for example) potatoes cost 10k each the backlash from regular players will be deafening... although "rich guilds" and gold sellers will be laughing all the way to the virtual bank.
The reason rich guilds are rich is because they know what to actually sell and what the average prices are. They're in competition with each other as well, sure there are some plots and alliances but there is no one person who could control the entire market of the game no matter how much they wished it.
Not that many people can agree for a long time.
Absolutely, you make my point... in a central AH system though, individuals would manipulate the entire system
This is quite simply wrong, you can still manipulate the market with Traders, I've seen it done and I've done it myself.
The difference to a Central Market is it takes longer to even out, because as many have said, people don't like shopping around so they won't find the new listings at a lower price.
Just in case anyone wants to do this, choose an item that sells fairly well, buy all available in the main Hub areas, then sell in your 5 Trade guilds in each of the areas for an inflated price. I can easily get a 20% return on my investment. After a week and a half most other guilds are now following your new pricing.
Thankfully we have add-ons on PC which mess with this, as players will be seeing sales at the price the buyer paid for, and thus see that's the value.
Also you have to be very rich to do this and you risk a loss on it still, here is nothing wrong and no system can stop this other than more transparency such as market sales graphs.@Turelus - EU PC Megaserver
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mbaranski15✭✭mbaranski15 wrote: »Weasel_Tunneler wrote: »I just resubbed after a couple of years away. One of the reasons i stopped playing back then was the lack of an auction house. I was/am mostly interested in buying stuff -not selling.
Sadly the whole process with running back and forth and checking out the various guilds kiosks were just too horribly. I play games to have fun, not do chores i might as well do at work. I would assume that most people would want a system that let them easily browse available goods and then make a purchase. Just like E-Bay, Amazon etc. Would anyone here want to get in their car and drive back and forth between stores to find something they were looking for instead of using google or a online marketplace like ebay? I assume the answer is a resounding NO.
Well the same goes for me in game, i don't want to saddle up my horse and ride around to the various kiosks to find what i'm looking for. My time is too limited for that.
Now i am sure there are those who appreciate the way the system works right now. With the limitations placed on selling stuff, there are far fewer sellers than there would have been with a regular global auction house. And thus a sellers market. Asking those sellers what system they want is like asking someone with a limited monopoly if they want said monopoly to go away with the following losses in income. What answer do you expect to get? Its like asking someone if they are ok with cutting their salary.
Remember that most people who play this game are not hardcore sellers, they are just people that from time to time want to buy and sell something. Why make things hard for them?
They by far make up the actual population, and are the ones who keep this game alive. Not the small select group of greedy businessmen who profit from the current system.
Please add a global auction house for the benefit of the masses!
I hate it too, but this might help.
https://us.tamrieltradecentre.com/pc/Trade/Search
It the best AH we will ever have in the game.
Thank you! I'm new to ESO and have struggled to find stuff that I'm looking for.
@mbaranski15 you can also check this one http://esosales.uesp.net/viewSales.php but it's not for console markets sadly as the data comes from add-ons on PC.
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✭✭✭Rich trading guilds have been running the economy for years they decide everything from the price to which of their guilds will use that trader for this week and they feel very powerful doing it so trust me they will never let this happen and if one day Zenimax decide to finally implement it you will see hundreds and hundreds of threads asking for a removal of auction houses.
When (for example) potatoes cost 10k each the backlash from regular players will be deafening... although "rich guilds" and gold sellers will be laughing all the way to the virtual bank.
The reason rich guilds are rich is because they know what to actually sell and what the average prices are. They're in competition with each other as well, sure there are some plots and alliances but there is no one person who could control the entire market of the game no matter how much they wished it.
Not that many people can agree for a long time.
Absolutely, you make my point... in a central AH system though, individuals would manipulate the entire system
The only difference between the guild trader system and a global auction house is the need to be a part of a guild in ESO. Here's why:
Unfortunately, individuals already do manipulate the guild trader system. The reason being is because of the third party data collection tools.
All the things I've seen people cite as reasons for not wanting a global auction house are things that I see across the entire game - these things already happen; instead of being self contained within specific regions, like they should be with a decentralized system.
You can go to a guild vendor in one end of the game world and compare prices with guild vendors on the other end of the game world, and the prices will be very close, if not identical to each other.
This is because of things like Tamriel Trade Center and a bevy of addons that collect and present sales data across the entire game.
How often do you see people asking for a "price check" in chat? They're doing that because there are already established price trends for everything in the game.
Again, the only difference between ESO and other MMO auction houses is that your ability to sell stuff in an ESO AH is entirely subject to the whims of a guild leader. If the guild crumbles or you get booted out for some reason, you can't use that auction house to sell anymore.
If the guild loses the kiosk, you no longer have access to sell through that guild.
It's a badly conceived caveat for being able to perform a very basic function found in MMOs.Edited by srfrogg23 on March 15, 2017 3:24PM1 -
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✭✭✭To those complaining about a GLOBAL AUCTION HOUSE:
I know you came from another game. probably WoW, or GW2, or even Diablo. But Elder Scrolls Online is not those games. It doesnt matter that you feel like GAH is an industry defining feature, ESO is allowed to implement their own system and feel to their game.
The Guild Trader phenomenon is incredible when you really look deep into the workings of the system. The very player base itself has generated an entire subculture that is vastly and intricately managed - AMOUNGST PLAYERS. Alliances were forged and broken, espionage to obtain a valuable trade location, you name it, its probably happened. Not to mention the GMs of these powerhouse Trade Guilds and how much time and effort they put in to keeping their engines running. It gives your guild a sense of pride to own a trader that costs hundreds of thousands of gold to maintain a week.
these PLAYERS and guilds have made a name for themselves and its because of this beautiful system we have in ESO. I never said its perfect, but its different. just like ESO is very different than any other mmo on the market. Tell me what other mmos let you pick pocket NPCs and loot every crate you can see? the ATTENTION to detail sets ESO apart from the competition and has made it the reigning game in its genre since One Tamriel.
My suggestion? stop complaining and EMBRACE this game and everything it has to offer. If you continue to reject core game systems, you will not be around long.
Yeah...that's how it was SUPPOSED to work. That's not how it ACTUALLY works.
Take a look at this little conversation and tell me what's wrong with it:mbaranski15 wrote: »mbaranski15 wrote: »Weasel_Tunneler wrote: »I just resubbed after a couple of years away. One of the reasons i stopped playing back then was the lack of an auction house. I was/am mostly interested in buying stuff -not selling.
Sadly the whole process with running back and forth and checking out the various guilds kiosks were just too horribly. I play games to have fun, not do chores i might as well do at work. I would assume that most people would want a system that let them easily browse available goods and then make a purchase. Just like E-Bay, Amazon etc. Would anyone here want to get in their car and drive back and forth between stores to find something they were looking for instead of using google or a online marketplace like ebay? I assume the answer is a resounding NO.
Well the same goes for me in game, i don't want to saddle up my horse and ride around to the various kiosks to find what i'm looking for. My time is too limited for that.
Now i am sure there are those who appreciate the way the system works right now. With the limitations placed on selling stuff, there are far fewer sellers than there would have been with a regular global auction house. And thus a sellers market. Asking those sellers what system they want is like asking someone with a limited monopoly if they want said monopoly to go away with the following losses in income. What answer do you expect to get? Its like asking someone if they are ok with cutting their salary.
Remember that most people who play this game are not hardcore sellers, they are just people that from time to time want to buy and sell something. Why make things hard for them?
They by far make up the actual population, and are the ones who keep this game alive. Not the small select group of greedy businessmen who profit from the current system.
Please add a global auction house for the benefit of the masses!
I hate it too, but this might help.
https://us.tamrieltradecentre.com/pc/Trade/Search
It the best AH we will ever have in the game.
Thank you! I'm new to ESO and have struggled to find stuff that I'm looking for.
@mbaranski15 you can also check this one http://esosales.uesp.net/viewSales.php but it's not for console markets sadly as the data comes from add-ons on PC.
Awesome, thank you very much!
Do you really think people are using the guild trader system as a roleplaying system as you described it?Edited by srfrogg23 on March 15, 2017 3:40PM0 -
Itoq✭✭✭✭Firstly, excuse me for not reading through this thread before chiming in (although I have skimmed other threads on the topic in the past.)
An auction house would be great. But not for everything.
Dropped BOE set armor would be one type of item I think would be great to have on an auction house. I can't think of anything other item class that would be as suitable for an auction house.
Perhaps older, but still somewhat rare, motifs would be able to be listed. Furniture recipes could eventually be listed, but furniture is too new now. Glyphs being listed could be great for the economy (see listing limit below.)
There could be maybe one auction house per faction or so.
And, with the business model zose has, at least one of the auction houses would be in a pay to play area.
A item listing limit of somewhere between 1-3 would be more healthy for the economy than they ability to list many items at once.
To additionally control high volume selling, adding a listing per time cap would also be necessary. A three listings per twenty-four hours limit seems about right. Too many? One per day?
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Castle117✭✭✭i understand that traders are added to guilds due to having to support a global auction house. but what i dont understand is how guild traders are even useful. i have joined many many guilds just for trader support. most are inactive, inflated, scamage traders. then there are the scams to force a guild member to pay to use the trader and it is clear there is no way to know the real cost of a trader per user, so scam.
guilds are abusing traders. SCAM, SCAM, and SCAMs
say NO to guild traders and ZMax may get a clue.
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Mordenkainen✭✭✭✭Ever been to SWTOR? Where players keep *** the economy left and right to the point of utterly controlling it? And by players I mean only the rich guys, they swim in credits. That's because there's only a single auction house.
I like ESOs Guild traders a lot more. So no, we do not need an auction house and I hope we will never get one.
And really, I actually like to go from town to town to check prices for some reason.0 -
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✭✭✭✭Cherryblossom wrote: »Rich trading guilds have been running the economy for years they decide everything from the price to which of their guilds will use that trader for this week and they feel very powerful doing it so trust me they will never let this happen and if one day Zenimax decide to finally implement it you will see hundreds and hundreds of threads asking for a removal of auction houses.
When (for example) potatoes cost 10k each the backlash from regular players will be deafening... although "rich guilds" and gold sellers will be laughing all the way to the virtual bank.
The reason rich guilds are rich is because they know what to actually sell and what the average prices are. They're in competition with each other as well, sure there are some plots and alliances but there is no one person who could control the entire market of the game no matter how much they wished it.
Not that many people can agree for a long time.
Absolutely, you make my point... in a central AH system though, individuals would manipulate the entire system
This is quite simply wrong, you can still manipulate the market with Traders, I've seen it done and I've done it myself.
The difference to a Central Market is it takes longer to even out, because as many have said, people don't like shopping around so they won't find the new listings at a lower price.
Just in case anyone wants to do this, choose an item that sells fairly well, buy all available in the main Hub areas, then sell in your 5 Trade guilds in each of the areas for an inflated price. I can easily get a 20% return on my investment. After a week and a half most other guilds are now following your new pricing.
It takes more effort to manipulate the trader system. If it was an AH system you could easily setup a program that that buys all of X item below X price. With traders you have to manually do the leg work.
All of that said, I wouldn't be opposed to an AH. I'm not a huge fan of guilds being the only way to post or buy an item other than chat spam.Edited by timidobserver on April 10, 2017 2:17PMV16 Uriel Stormblessed EP Magicka Templar(main)
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✭✭✭✭✭Question, for the "no, the 'little guy' can do perfectly fine! I'm in 3 trade guilds and sell massive amounts a week!" folks -
What about the real 'little guy'? I'd like to sell maybe 3-5 items a week. And I want them to sell fast - I don't care about getting The Best Price, I just want to get something better than my current "vendor everything for pennies".
In the Global AH MMOs I've played, I'd toss the stuff on the AH with a decent-sized undercut, and half the time it'd be sold before I got out the door of the AH. No muss, no fuss.
Where do I fit in the ESO system? How should I sell my stuff? I'm honestly curious, because I'm getting tired of getting 9-10g for stuff that 1) is worth more, and 2) someone might get some use out of.
(and let's not even get into the part where I basically don't buy anything, because the whole "run around multiple zones to multiple traders to maybe find something eventually with no search function" is a dumpster fire. The one time I tried using the TTC website, I spent 15 minutes running around several zones only to find the item I was looking for was already sold. )Edited by Kiralyn2000 on April 10, 2017 2:28PM0 -
Castle117✭✭✭Mordenkainen wrote: »Ever been to SWTOR? Where players keep *** the economy left and right to the point of utterly controlling it? And by players I mean only the rich guys, they swim in credits. That's because there's only a single auction house.
I like ESOs Guild traders a lot more. So no, we do not need an auction house and I hope we will never get one.
And really, I actually like to go from town to town to check prices for some reason.
i play all major MMOs on and off and yes you are right AH can be cornered by bots and players. i can't think of an MMO that doesn't/hasn't had an issue with AH abuse. but here we are in ESO and the guild traders are abused also in a big way. i even see a few guilds growing to a point where they too attract bots and scammers.
even with the common abuse in all MMO Auction Houses, i still feel a ESO supported single AH would be worth the ups and downs. i feel like ZMax went the route of guild AHs as an experiment but moreover they don't have to be involved if it is abused.
i would like to buy and sell mats for tradeskills at least. maybe limit a global AH to mats and let the guilds deal with the gear selling drama...
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✭✭✭✭✭Kiralyn2000 wrote: »Question, for the "no, the 'little guy' can do perfectly fine! I'm in 3 trade guilds and sell massive amounts a week!" folks -
What about the real 'little guy'? I'd like to sell maybe 3-5 items a week. And I want them to sell fast - I don't care about getting The Best Price, I just want to get something better than my current "vendor everything for pennies".
In the Global AH MMOs I've played, I'd toss the stuff on the AH with a decent-sized undercut, and half the time it'd be sold before I got out the door of the AH. No muss, no fuss.
Where do I fit in the ESO system? How should I sell my stuff? I'm honestly curious, because I'm getting tired of getting 9-10g for stuff that 1) is worth more, and 2) someone might get some use out of.
(and let's not even get into the part where I basically don't buy anything, because the whole "run around multiple zones to multiple traders to maybe find something eventually with no search function" is a dumpster fire. The one time I tried using the TTC website, I spent 15 minutes running around several zones only to find the item I was looking for was already sold. )
@Kiralyn2000
Join a trade guild. There are plenty that have space and one to fit everyone's needs. I'm not in a big trade guild but price my stufff to move and make bank.
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sarbonn✭✭✭Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »Guild traders have been popular and do well. Has not been a valid reason to change the system.
Not one to quibble, but that's kind of the response you'd get from a very successful investment banker who doesn't think the system is unfair to people who don't benefit from it because he's personally benefiting from it. Yeah, some guild people are doing really well in this game, but then there are those out of the system who are barely struggling to get by. I'm part of a large guild that has been trying time after time to get a guild trader but has failed each time because of being outbid by people with way too much money.
I'm not saying a global auction house is the solution, but the system is flawed, and unfortunately, I don't think anyone is going to do anything to fix it. I would not be surprised a tiny bit if this is the reason why people quit playing the game in the past (and still do today).Clueless, but willing to learn.1 -
Alchemical✭✭✭✭✭I don't mind the guild store system for the same reason I don't mind haggling. It incentivizes playing the system and wise investments. It also handily prevents situations like what I did once, woops where a singular player, not beholden to anyone, can shut down or crash an entire server's material market.
It does suck if you don't want to play the system, but in that case why not just load your items into a guild store for a middling price and not care so much about it? It's still better than what the vendors will give you, even if it's not the best deal. Or why not contract out to someone who does like playing the market? That was a pretty common practice in a guild from another MMO I played. People would send items to a guy who spent all day sitting in the AH flipping items. That was just how he chose to play the game, he did it all day long, he didn't do anything else, and he still had fun doing it. People who didn't find the economy so fun were willing to take less than the item's full worth to have him manage it on their behalf, so in the end everyone came out ahead.0 -
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✭Hey gj with the necro. Could you maybe select a less irritating topic next time?
An auction house is not going to happen. There have been countless threads on this, some with developer response.PC - NA @LadyLavina 1800+ CP PvP Tank and PvP Healer0 -
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✭✭✭I think a good middle ground would be a global search function.
Search for what you are looking for and it tells you where the trader is that has it. You go and pick the item up.
You may make it in time and you may be too late and someone beats you to the deal.
I liked EQ2's system the best of all that I have played and it in my opinion had side benefits.
You could find an item on the global auction house and choose to buy it at a higher price or go to the person's HOUSE and pick up the item and save some coin.
The side benefit? GIVING PEOPLE A REASON TO VISIT YOUR DAMN HOUSE!
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Crafts_Many_Boxes✭✭✭✭✭As a newer player but an old-school PvEr, I tend to side with the original poster here. I think a system that forces everyone to hunt down the item they're after is inconvenient at best and terrible at worst. If you're trying to RP as a merchant who enjoys hunting down the best deals and playing the unregulated, local markets, cool. That's not me. I'd rather do PvE stuff (mostly questing right now, but I imagine that'll change once I hit 50) with what limited time I can devote to the game.
What it comes down to is this: right now, regardless of how you enjoy playing the game, be it PvP, PvE, RP, Crafter, or Merchant, everyone is forced to hunt through kiosks to find their desired items.. And you're forced to work through a trade guild if you want to sell your own extra items without wasting valuable game time spamming chats. This is the inconsistency. Everyone has to pay for it because the group who enjoys the "immersion" of the system wants to keep things the way they are. One group of players is having fun at the expense of literally everyone else. And I would be hard-pressed to believe the merchant-minded folks are in the majority in the game (forums might be a different story, or course....).
That being said, it IS a unique idea that sets itself apart from the likes of other MMOs, and I appreciate that. As most have echoed here, I wouldn't mind the idea of the system quite so much if:
A) it were easier to find / join a trading guild with kiosks
B ) You could more easily search across all guild store kiosks in a single location. In other words, one building that had all the listings, but you had to physically go out and buy the good(s) at that kiosk. Obviously there are addons, but I'd rather not have to bog down my system for some basic mercantile functionality, and consoles don't have this option.Edited by Crafts_Many_Boxes on April 10, 2017 4:34PM1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »Guild traders have been popular and do well. Has not been a valid reason to change the system.
Not one to quibble, but that's kind of the response you'd get from a very successful investment banker who doesn't think the system is unfair to people who don't benefit from it because he's personally benefiting from it. Yeah, some guild people are doing really well in this game, but then there are those out of the system who are barely struggling to get by. I'm part of a large guild that has been trying time after time to get a guild trader but has failed each time because of being outbid by people with way too much money.
I'm not saying a global auction house is the solution, but the system is flawed, and unfortunately, I don't think anyone is going to do anything to fix it. I would not be surprised a tiny bit if this is the reason why people quit playing the game in the past (and still do today).
@sarbonn
First, there's isn't a perfect system so it's pointless to bring it up as a talking point.
They the great point that I sound like an investment banker, always a poor tactic to go after the messenger. Try considering bringing into the conversation actual reasons for or against something. That contributes to the convo.
Which brings me to the fact few players seem to object to the current system and even fewer present any solid reason worth considering for an different approach. Considering those that object to something are often more vocal that those that like the status quo I'd expect a huge uprising if the current system didn't work for a sizable portion of the game population that wanted to participate.
The reality is players from small trading guilds to large ones have stated they do fine with the current system and those of us that like the current system have little incentive to speak up.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Ignore me, long day I am derper... nothing to see here... nope.
So many notifications.
Edited by Turelus on April 10, 2017 4:44PM@Turelus - EU PC Megaserver
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sarbonn✭✭✭Crafts_Many_Boxes wrote: »
What it comes down to is this: right now, regardless of how you enjoy playing the game, be it PvP, PvE, RP, Crafter, or Merchant, everyone is forced to hunt through kiosks to find their desired items.. .
And this is probably the bigger problem I have when I think about it from a buyer's perspective. It's basically a slightly worse (and slightly better as well) system than the old days of Everquest, where you'd have a bunch of traders hang out in a tunnel and wait for people to come to them and buy their goods. Why it's better is because the old system had no search process, and why it's worse is that right now all of the traders don't congregate in one area, which means you have to travel across all of the lands just to find out what someone might be selling.
I would really like to see this worked on and hopefully improved. A lot in the game has improved over the last three years (which is why I'm playing it today), so it would be nice to see them take a look at this as well, even by throwing a bunch of different ways on a test server and seeing which ones work best before implementing it.
Clueless, but willing to learn.0 -
Fleshreaper✭✭✭✭✭The thing about the way it is now, is that it's a self regulating system. To much gold out there, guilds will spend more for a kiosk. Taking gold out of the world, which in turns helps to keep prices in check. And because it's self regulating, we probably won't see it go away.
Some where in the middle. I would like to see the kiosks go away and be replaced by one vendor. Gold Coast Traders could setup shop in each town. You would still have to bid for limited spots but all the guilds that won a spot would be listed under one vendor.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭We have an unofficial auction house that works reasonably well (if you're on PC): https://tamrieltradecentre.com/Edited by MLGProPlayer on April 10, 2017 5:22PM0 -
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✭Churga_Hral wrote: »There's no internet in Tamriel, so it doesn't make sense to have a global auction-house.
Plus they only have ships and carts for shipping. They don't even have a railroad system (unless the Dwemer built an underground system that I don't know about yet).
Yeah because buying an item from a Khajiit in middle of nowhere and instantly receiving it on your imaginary mail does make sense, because it makes a lot of sense to receive mails, like a lot you know and with a big message so you know what you have bought yeah that makes a lot of sense.
But it doesn't make sense at all to buy item from a big trading post company (Auction House) and instantly get them from their stock, nooooo at all, it will break our immersion so much that I won't be able to play ESO anymore, yeah that's it.K1 The Big Monkey1 -
DHale✭✭✭✭✭
✭No auction house no global search ever. I got a sharp spinner sword for 22 k. Never would happen if those things were in place obscure traders are where the deals are made.Sorcerna, proud beta sorc. RIP April 2014 to May 31 2016 DArk Brotherhood. Out of retirement for negates and encases. Sorcerna will be going back into retirement to be my main crafter Fall 2018. Because an 8 k shield is f ing useless. Died because of baddies on the forum. Too much qq too little pew pew. 16 AD 2 DC. 0 EP cause they bad, CP 2300 plus 18 level 50 toons. NA, PC, Grey Host#SORCLIVESMATTER actually they don’t or they wouldn’t keep getting nerfed constantly.0 -
FuriousFridge✭✭✭Don't really care what system we use just want a search bar. It's been 3 years man....0
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QuebraRegra✭✭✭✭✭
✭Rich trading guilds have been running the economy for years they decide everything from the price to which of their guilds will use that trader for this week and they feel very powerful doing it so trust me they will never let this happen and if one day Zenimax decide to finally implement it you will see hundreds and hundreds of threads asking for a removal of auction houses.
When (for example) potatoes cost 10k each the backlash from regular players will be deafening... although "rich guilds" and gold sellers will be laughing all the way to the virtual bank.
The reason rich guilds are rich is because they know what to actually sell and what the average prices are. They're in competition with each other as well, sure there are some plots and alliances but there is no one person who could control the entire market of the game no matter how much they wished it.
Not that many people can agree for a long time.
Absolutely, you make my point... in a central AH system though, individuals would manipulate the entire system
HOW? how could a single individual control the market?0 -
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✭QuebraRegra wrote: »Rich trading guilds have been running the economy for years they decide everything from the price to which of their guilds will use that trader for this week and they feel very powerful doing it so trust me they will never let this happen and if one day Zenimax decide to finally implement it you will see hundreds and hundreds of threads asking for a removal of auction houses.
When (for example) potatoes cost 10k each the backlash from regular players will be deafening... although "rich guilds" and gold sellers will be laughing all the way to the virtual bank.
The reason rich guilds are rich is because they know what to actually sell and what the average prices are. They're in competition with each other as well, sure there are some plots and alliances but there is no one person who could control the entire market of the game no matter how much they wished it.
Not that many people can agree for a long time.
Absolutely, you make my point... in a central AH system though, individuals would manipulate the entire system
HOW? how could a single individual control the market?
They can't. This is a common argument from the "anti-AH" crowd and it's pretty much completely incorrect. Global markets are controlled by supply and demand, not by individuals, unless said individual has the sole supply, which in MMO games is virtually impossible.1