Trial finder in Morrowind?

SG_Celerrimus · April 2017

I wonder if they will add a Trial finder section to the dungeon finder in Morrowind... I would use this all the time.

DPShiro · April 2017

I hope they never do.

Imagine all the whining and complaining about people not being able to PUG the new trial vHoF or vMoL.

Then more nerfs will come, and make everything pointless.
98% of the game is already ridiculously easy and on par with the tutorial.

Vildebill · April 2017

I agree 100% with this solely to get rid of the zone chat LFG nTrials spam.

MissBizz · April 2017

DPShiro wrote: »

I hope they never do.

Imagine all the whining and complaining about people not being able to PUG the new trial vHoF or vMoL.

Then more nerfs will come, and make everything pointless.
98% of the game is already ridiculously easy and on par with the tutorial.

Could only allow to use the finder for normal.

Runschei · April 2017

Let them fix group finder first.

DPShiro · April 2017

MissBizz wrote: »

DPShiro wrote: »

I hope they never do.

Imagine all the whining and complaining about people not being able to PUG the new trial vHoF or vMoL.

Then more nerfs will come, and make everything pointless.
98% of the game is already ridiculously easy and on par with the tutorial.

Could only allow to use the finder for normal.

That would be fine!

Peekachu99 · April 2017

DPShiro wrote: »

I hope they never do.

Imagine all the whining and complaining about people not being able to PUG the new trial vHoF or vMoL.

Then more nerfs will come, and make everything pointless.
98% of the game is already ridiculously easy and on par with the tutorial.

Trial finder was already in the game and pulled just before or around the removal of vet ranks because they had to rebalance all the items (or something, I don't recall). Even back when the Activity Finder was absolute rubbish, I managed to get both Craglorn Vet clears on my toon. I mean, people might have been a bit better turned to endgame content then, but that's just a baseless supposition. In any event, it worked, and worked well enough.

There's absolutely no reason why normal trials shouldn't be on Activity Finder--with stricter CP requirements. It would only benefit the raiding community by getting people interested in the content, for which a SORELY NEEDED @ZOS_JessicaFolsom @ZOS_GinaBruno LFG panel would suffice. See FFXIV's numerous grouping feature sets and just copy those. No shame in replicating a fantastic system.

Marabornwingrion · April 2017

It could work but...

1. First ZOS needs to fix one group finder, before starting working on another one.
2. Person who queues for trial needs to have certain achievements completed, for example if you wanna queue for HRC, you need to have "HRC completed" achievement, also if you queue as DD you need to have "Trial Damage Dealer" achievement (similar with tanks/healers)
3. It should work only for trials on normal mode.

xSkullfox · April 2017

Nope pls not, ppl still mark themself as dd,tank,heal, to get fast a grp via dungeon finder, using this for a trail finder -> ....

Izaki · April 2017

Astrid_V wrote: »

It could work but...

1. First ZOS needs to fix one group finder, before starting working on another one.
2. Person who queues for trial needs to have certain achievements completed, for example if you wanna queue for HRC, you need to have "HRC completed" achievement, also if you queue as DD you need to have "Trial Damage Dealer" achievement (similar with tanks/healers)
3. It should work only for trials on normal mode.

Implemented like this, its a great idea.

zaria · April 2017

xSkullfox wrote: »

Nope pls not, ppl still mark themself as dd,tank,heal, to get fast a grp via dungeon finder, using this for a trail finder -> ....

Less issue as trials has 2 healers, 1-2 tanks and the rest dps.
In fact it might easy be the tanks and healers who end up waiting.

But yes it should be achivement requirement, having done the raid and having some other veteran dungeon or raid achievements
Healing and tank reqirment is that they know a bit about healing or tanking in raids.

Tostiee · April 2017

IzakiBrotherSs wrote: »

Astrid_V wrote: »

It could work but...

1. First ZOS needs to fix one group finder, before starting working on another one.
2. Person who queues for trial needs to have certain achievements completed, for example if you wanna queue for HRC, you need to have "HRC completed" achievement, also if you queue as DD you need to have "Trial Damage Dealer" achievement (similar with tanks/healers)
3. It should work only for trials on normal mode.

Implemented like this, its a great idea.

Seems like a terrible idea to me. What if new people want to get into trials and they dont have a team to do it with, then group finder on normal is great for them. The raiding community is already small, how does implementing something like that help?

There should be requirements I agree, but what? CP? Dungeon achievements? It is kinda hard to make requirements for that imo because when do you know someone is capable or ready to do trials?

Uriel_Nocturne · April 2017

I hope they do.

I've been trying for WEEKS to get a group going for VDSA.

I've asked for LFG in Zone.
I've posted for LFG in these Forums.
I've posted in third-party LFG sites.

Nothing.

For weeks.

All I want to do is vDSA, and nobody is biting. I'd love to PUG it, but the current Group Finder doesn't allow for that. While I usually only ever play Solo, I realize that it is by my own personal choice and a hefty amount of Real Life circumstance that causes me to play Solo, but I'd still LOVE to tackle challenges like this.

Why ZOS is hamstringing players like this, I'll never know.

psychotic13 · April 2017

Yeah I need 1 piece of venom to get s perfect trait set, but no one wants to run hel ra cause it's broken, would be happy to run it on normal with pugs

Pancake-Tragedy · April 2017

Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »

I hope they do.

I've been trying for WEEKS to get a group going for VDSA.

I've asked for LFG in Zone.
I've posted for LFG in these Forums.
I've posted in third-party LFG sites.

Nothing.

For weeks.

All I want to do is vDSA, and nobody is biting. I'd love to PUG it, but the current Group Finder doesn't allow for that. While I usually only ever play Solo, I realize that it is by my own personal choice and a hefty amount of Real Life circumstance that causes me to play Solo, but I'd still LOVE to tackle challenges like this.

Why ZOS is hamstringing players like this, I'll never know.

I'd recommend finding a guild to do this. There are plenty of casual, like-minded guilds that take players to do trials and other group oriented stuff. My trade guilds even have trial events for anyone that is interested.

Just a suggestion.

Asardes · April 2017

A good idea actually, especially if you want a fast PuG for a normal armor and weapons farm run. But IMO should only include the normal version.

AhPook_Is_Here · April 2017

LOL this would be the source of so much frustration for people if it ever was implemented, I think it's a great idea.

Brrrofski · April 2017

Pug trials?

Ummm, count me out lol.

Uriel_Nocturne · April 2017

Pancake-Tragedy wrote: »

Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »

I hope they do.

I've been trying for WEEKS to get a group going for VDSA.

I've asked for LFG in Zone.
I've posted for LFG in these Forums.
I've posted in third-party LFG sites.

Nothing.

For weeks.

All I want to do is vDSA, and nobody is biting. I'd love to PUG it, but the current Group Finder doesn't allow for that. While I usually only ever play Solo, I realize that it is by my own personal choice and a hefty amount of Real Life circumstance that causes me to play Solo, but I'd still LOVE to tackle challenges like this.

Why ZOS is hamstringing players like this, I'll never know.

I'd recommend finding a guild to do this. There are plenty of casual, like-minded guilds that take players to do trials and other group oriented stuff. My trade guilds even have trial events for anyone that is interested.

Just a suggestion.

There's my irony though.

I run a Guild for Solo Players. We come together for "Weekend Dungeon Runs", so that Solo players can finally tackle some of the Group content, yet the draw of the Guild is that they're not ever spammed to group, nor do we push third-party sites like Facebook, nor do we force them to sit and languish in Guild Chat when all they want is peaceful runs of their Solo content.

The whole Guild I designed to be a refuge for the Solo player, where they can utilize our bank for items that they may need or for research, and they can sell the stuff they find while out wandering.

The downside, is when I want to run tougher content like vDSA, I'm typically left out in the cold. Irony is beautiful in all its forms.

But I hear what you're saying. I may find a Guild for just that run of the vDSA. But I'd still like the Trials like DSA to be in the Group finder. It would be so much easier than what I'm currently going through.

Pancake-Tragedy · April 2017

@Uriel_Nocturne I do agree, a group finder for trials would help more people get to experience trial content. Those arguing that PUG dungeon finder groups are bad, cancerous, etc could just not use the tool. More options for players to experience content is a good thing in my opinion, however, I hope the current implementation has its bugs worked out before another one is created with similar headaches.

Danksta · April 2017

xSkullfox wrote: »

Nope pls not, ppl still mark themself as dd,tank,heal, to get fast a grp via dungeon finder, using this for a trail finder -> ....

And for this reason I think most people will still form groups in /zone.

LadyLavina · April 2017

Honestly this needs to never be a thing b/c a large percentage of those groups would be unsuccessful and cause people to whine and complain about the trials being too difficult/various classes & abilities being under powered.

I know I'm probably regurgitating a lot of the other replies, but that's my thought on the matter.

Oompuh · April 2017

DPShiro wrote: »

I hope they never do.

Imagine all the whining and complaining about people not being able to PUG the new trial vHoF or vMoL.

Then more nerfs will come, and make everything pointless.
98% of the game is already ridiculously easy and on par with the tutorial.

This is what happened with vet dungeons. "Too hard" for lfg. I would like to see a normal trial finder since those are pugged very often, but not vet

ArchMikem · April 2017

DPShiro wrote: »

I hope they never do.

Imagine all the whining and complaining about people not being able to PUG the new trial vHoF or vMoL.

Then more nerfs will come, and make everything pointless.
98% of the game is already ridiculously easy and on par with the tutorial.

It's only easy if you know what you're doing. It's not easy in the slightest if you're a new or newish player.

WhiteMage · April 2017

Considering how often I get group-finder groups with no competent DDs, I think any Trial formed this way will crash and burn, will just get rekt by casuals.

D0ntevenL1ft · April 2017

DPShiro wrote: »

I hope they never do.

Imagine all the whining and complaining about people not being able to PUG the new trial vHoF or vMoL.

Then more nerfs will come, and make everything pointless.
98% of the game is already ridiculously easy and on par with the tutorial.

Do it for normal only. Or just don't go use the group finder yourself and all your problems will be non existent. Not a hard concept not to use something you don't like.

DPShiro · April 2017

D0ntevenL1ft wrote: »

DPShiro wrote: »

I hope they never do.

Imagine all the whining and complaining about people not being able to PUG the new trial vHoF or vMoL.

Then more nerfs will come, and make everything pointless.
98% of the game is already ridiculously easy and on par with the tutorial.

Do it for normal only. Or just don't go use the group finder yourself and all your problems will be non existent. Not a hard concept not to use something you don't like.

It will be my problem when content is nerfed because PUGs can't succeed.

I don't have a problem with this being a thing for normal trials.

Royaji · April 2017

Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »

Pancake-Tragedy wrote: »

Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »

I hope they do.

I've been trying for WEEKS to get a group going for VDSA.

I've asked for LFG in Zone.
I've posted for LFG in these Forums.
I've posted in third-party LFG sites.

Nothing.

For weeks.

All I want to do is vDSA, and nobody is biting. I'd love to PUG it, but the current Group Finder doesn't allow for that. While I usually only ever play Solo, I realize that it is by my own personal choice and a hefty amount of Real Life circumstance that causes me to play Solo, but I'd still LOVE to tackle challenges like this.

Why ZOS is hamstringing players like this, I'll never know.

I'd recommend finding a guild to do this. There are plenty of casual, like-minded guilds that take players to do trials and other group oriented stuff. My trade guilds even have trial events for anyone that is interested.

Just a suggestion.

There's my irony though.

I run a Guild for Solo Players. We come together for "Weekend Dungeon Runs", so that Solo players can finally tackle some of the Group content, yet the draw of the Guild is that they're not ever spammed to group, nor do we push third-party sites like Facebook, nor do we force them to sit and languish in Guild Chat when all they want is peaceful runs of their Solo content.

The whole Guild I designed to be a refuge for the Solo player, where they can utilize our bank for items that they may need or for research, and they can sell the stuff they find while out wandering.

The downside, is when I want to run tougher content like vDSA, I'm typically left out in the cold. Irony is beautiful in all its forms.

But I hear what you're saying. I may find a Guild for just that run of the vDSA. But I'd still like the Trials like DSA to be in the Group finder. It would be so much easier than what I'm currently going through.

Honestly, I have to say that even groupfinder might not fix your problem. vDSA is not easy. It is especially heavy on the tank and the healer. Last boss is all about how good the tank and the healer are. With low DPS vDSA becomes a nightmare for them. Even though I have experience tanking vDSA I would never try it with a PUG. We have a shortage of tanks/healers in vet dungeons so why do you think people will go queue for vDSA which is significantly harder than FG1? The end result will be a bunch of groups which are completely unable to get a clear. Because all good tanks/healers already have reliable guilds and groups to run with. People will start to whine and vDSA will be nerfed... I don't think this is something we all want.