(Small warning to roleplayers) Abah's Landing

MarkusLiberty · April 2017

In one of the latest patches, a rather odd new feature has been added to Abah's Landing.

Traveling to Hew's Bane using the Wayshrine (or the travel to player feature) now automatically add you as a member of the Thieves Guild, granting you the Thieves Guild skill line without having officially joined the guild.

This might sound like a bagatelle to most of you, but some of us enjoy trying to creating a character who is completely in line with the law, a pure good-guy character if you will, so this kina sucks.

So I made this thread as a warning to anyone who wants to try to keep their characters from joining the guils, don't travel to Abah's Landing.

Runschei · April 2017

I guess you can just avoid the quest and ignore the skilltree. But I see why roleplayers can be annoyed

Ajaxduo · April 2017

Suspend your disbelief, it's nothing more than a line of text in a skill menu.

MarkusLiberty · April 2017

True, but a line of text can mean a whole lot in a role-playing game.

Cadbury · April 2017

Avoid the Gold Coast, too if you play a "Lawful" character...

In B4 topic is moved to "fiction and roleplaying"

Ajaxduo · April 2017

MarkusLiberty wrote: »

True, but a line of text can mean a whole lot in a role-playing game.

Maybe, I guess it depends on what kind of roleplayer you are. As in you immerse yourself in the world and game and that's about it, or you actually act as apart of the world and interact as such with other players. I've seen roleplayers who are able to imagine some pretty creative stuff that isn't 'there', are you sure you can't look past a line of text? You could try customer support...

Draqone · April 2017

Would be pretty easy to write an addon that would hide this skill line.

TheShadowScout · April 2017

I recall that having been like this, well... forever. Visit Abahs landing, get a mandatory thieves guild membership.

And yeah, I hated it when my goody-two-greaves characters went there for the exploration and skyshard... and got thieves guild status.

Wish they would change this, would remove the unwanted TG from any character that hasn't done the TG introduction quest...

Merlin13KAGL · April 2017

Perhaps an alternative questline that lets you try to catch or convince against the TG lifestyle?

In a way, it makes sense. You don't wander into a blackmarket store in the mafia underground if you don't intend to be at least mildly associated at that point.

Having been exposed to the opportunity to pursue a different lifestyle is quite different from actually pursuing it. I expect (IRL) you've had opportunity to steal a car, at some point, but most likely you chose not to.

Linking your unwavering TG 0 skill line should be a badge of honor, as opposed to the possibility you just haven't gotten around to stopping by yet.

SquareSausage · April 2017

lol

SydneyGrey · April 2017

It's like if my grandfather had accidentally stood next to Al Capone once on a street in 1940, and he automatically obtained gangster status just by doing so.

LOL.

Merlin13KAGL · April 2017

SydneyGrey wrote: »

It's like if my grandfather had accidentally stood next to Al Capone once on a street in 1940, and he automatically obtained gangster status just by doing so. LOL.

@SydneyGrey, maybe if your grandfather 'accidentally' wandered into one of Al's underground gambling parlors, sure.

anitajoneb17_ESO · April 2017

Pure white gets dirty easily, that's the problem

Tandor · April 2017

I can certainly appreciate the OP's concern on this point. Although I'm not an active role-player I do have characters who treat things differently, so it annoyed me when my holy paladin type Templar who is my main character for completing special event content with was unable to complete the Jester's Festival because a third of the content involving stealing with no alternative way of progressing.

However, given that he has no interest in the Thieves Guild he has simply had no reason thus far to go to that zone. Thanks for the warning tho'.

waterfairy · April 2017

If you're a roleplayer and your character is good then how are they seeing this imaginary skill line calling them a thief?

Merlin13KAGL · April 2017

Vigarr wrote: »

If you're a roleplayer and your character is good then how are they seeing this imaginary skill line calling them a thief?

@Vigarr How are they wandering into a city, nay, an entire zone known to be associated with such activities?

Enodoc · April 2017

TheShadowScout wrote: »

I recall that having been like this, well... forever. Visit Abahs landing, get a mandatory thieves guild membership.

And yeah, I hated it when my goody-two-greaves characters went there for the exploration and skyshard... and got thieves guild status.

Wish they would change this, would remove the unwanted TG from any character that hasn't done the TG introduction quest...

Yeah, it's not new. I remember pushing during Thieves Guild PTS for the skill line to be unlocked at the end of Partners in Crime and not before. They didn't listen.

whiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO · April 2017

I think I have a good idea about Abah's Landing, think of it as Mos Eisley on Tantoine in Star Wars, that location is like a Hive of scum and villainy (or the Pirate Island in the Pirates of the caribbean) and anyone who goes there learns about it, hence the Thieves guild skill line gets added but your character chooses not to act on it (to level said skill line) but has other reasons to travel to the area (insert reason here like= necromantic tomb, skyshards, evil world bosses, needs transport

,etc).

Ehh but what does Kotaro know.. he is just a Master thief

MarkusLiberty · April 2017

That's odd, because i didn't get the skil line unlocked until today, despite having visited previously. Still, it's on of those annoying things with ESO. I really would prefer if players had more options when ot came to avoiding these things.

It always bothered me how several alliance quests forced players to steal items or break into people's houses.

Sovaso · April 2017

Erm.. lol

Vercingetorix · April 2017

Having the skill line just means the Thieves Guild is known to your character or that they tried to contact you. Making no guild progress with the skill line maintains your lawful nature. You're fine - nothing to get worked up about.

UppGRAYxDD · April 2017

"It is said that if you know your enemies and know yourself, you will not be imperiled in a hundred battles; if you do not know your enemies but do know yourself, you will win one and lose one; if you do not know your enemies nor yourself, you will be imperiled in every single battle."

Sun Tzu, The Art of War

Just think this...RPing saved

Violynne · April 2017

MarkusLiberty wrote: »

This might sound like a bagatelle to most of you, but as someone who's been working very hard on creating a character who is completely in line with the law, a pure good-guy character if you will, this really sucks.

Help me understand. If your role playing is within the bounds of your development, how is acquiring a skill tree detrimental to this?

TheShadowScout · April 2017

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

In a way, it makes sense. You don't wander into a blackmarket store in the mafia underground if you don't intend to be at least mildly associated at that point...

Which I would agree with if it was the thieves guild hideout that gave out mandatory memberships upon entry.
NOT the city in which said hideout, well, hides.

I mean, it may be good for an "offer you cannot refuse" joke, but aside from that... annoying, when one has a character that bypassed dozends of thieves caches because you felt that character would be all honest and lawful good-ish... and then get slepped with a TG membership card just because you wanted to see the sights of abah's landing...

whiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO wrote: »

I think I have a good idea about Abah's Landing, think of it as Mos Eisley on Tantoine in Star Wars, that location is like a Hive of scum and villainy...

Except it is not. The thieves den, sure, but the city above has justice-obsessed guards, nobles who call a private security force (the iron wheel) to hunt down evildoers and all that... I mean, obviously not -everyone- who visits is a thief. At least some are going there to bust some thief heads, right?

(And how that made me long for the cancelled PvP portion of the justice system for my goody two greaves characters...)

ankhor8 · April 2017

UppGRAYxDD wrote: »

"It is said that if you know your enemies and know yourself, you will not be imperiled in a hundred battles; if you do not know your enemies but do know yourself, you will win one and lose one; if you do not know your enemies nor yourself, you will be imperiled in every single battle."

Sun Tzu, The Art of War

Just think this...RPing saved

True perspective. In addition we must remember that "knowing of" and "acting as" are distinct. We do know our enemy, yet our actions are distinct from.

ankhor8 · April 2017

MarkusLiberty wrote: »

That's odd, because i didn't get the skil line unlocked until today, despite having visited previously. Still, it's on of those annoying things with ESO. I really would prefer if players had more options when ot came to avoiding these things.

It always bothered me how several alliance quests forced players to steal items or break into people's houses.

Which is why some missions have stayed uncompleted. Bun a teef and a liar. i am willing to kill and rob though. I prefer deserving and earning, yet i am willing to bareface rob and bust a lock if the my goals are aligned to that.

LadyLavina · April 2017

MarkusLiberty wrote: »

In one of the latest patches, a rather unfortunate new feature has been added to Abah's Landing.

Traveling to Hew's Bane using the Wayshrine (or the travel to player feature) now automatically add you as a member of the Thieves Guild, granting you the Thieves Guild skill line without having officially joined the guild.

This might sound like a bagatelle to most of you, but as someone who's been working very hard on creating a character who is completely in line with the law, a pure good-guy character if you will, this really sucks. And as a member of several roleplaying guilds, I can assure you I'm not the only one who's rather upset about this.

So I made this thread as a warning to anyone who wants to keep their characters pure, don't travel to Abah's Landing.

With all due respect, is it really that hard to ignore it?

Skill Line Gained =/= "Welcome to our evil guild , mwahahaha"

MarkusLiberty · April 2017

Yeah, this should probably have been posted in the roleplaying forum, completely forgot that was a thing

Tandor wrote: »

However, given that he has no interest in the Thieves Guild he has simply had no reason thus far to go to that zone. Thanks for the warning tho'.

Well, unfortunately there are a few set crafting stations there, so if you're playing a master crafter, there's a chance you'll want to drop buy eventually.

Anyway, this isn't anything more than a minor annoyance. I play a lot of largely text based role playing games, so this type of stuff tend to stick out and annoy me.

I've also worked on a good few modding projects revolving around these type of dilemmas for Oblivion and Skyrim, but I belive these type of things tend to be a much bigger deal to people playing the main serie games, rather than ESO. Either way, it's not a huge problem.

Thanks for all the creative ideas btw

KingYogi415 · April 2017

Go enjoy that shiny new blade of woe.

Cheers!

zaria · April 2017

Remember hating that I got DB invitation in Oblivion because you killed some bandits with an quest dialogue before dialogue started. Or by killing daedra in the fight between dark seducers and golden saints in SI.

However I don't see this as an major issue, yes they could waited adding it until you contacted TG and started the first quest.
You have to do an quest to be able to be member.

Kiralyn2000 · April 2017

Hmm, it seems like this would be better from an "RP" standpoint - the only thing the Thieves' Guild skill line gives you automatically is the ability to open those stash boxes. Which means you no longer have boxes out in the world that you physically can't open for no good RP reason. Now the only thing keeping you from opening it is the fact that your 'good' character isn't a criminal, rather than some mysterious force. (oooh, or you could be self-righteous Good, and run around destroying the evil evil contents of those sinful boxes.

)

Or at least, that's another way of looking at it.