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Just double checking here, but since ultis like dragon leap and dawnbreaker are physical damaget those are also affected by major brutality and wpn damage procs such as the one offered by sets like ravager?
Edited by Vapirko on April 2, 2017 12:47PM 0
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Reorx_Holybeard✭✭✭✭✭Yes...ultimates use the highest of magicka/stamina and spell/weapon damage to scale their tooltip. So assuming your weapon damage is higher than your spell damage (which should be true of any Stamina build) then you'll see a damage increase with those buffs.Reorx Holybeard -- NA/PC
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Chelo✭✭✭✭✭Magic DMG Ults scale from your Spell and Magicka stuff
Physical DMG Ults scale from your Weapon and Stamina stuff0 -
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✭Magic DMG Ults scale from your Spell and Magicka stuff
Physical DMG Ults scale from your Weapon and Stamina stuff
Ultimates scale with whatever stats are highest. If your Stamina is higher, it'll use Stamina, Weapon Damage, and Weapon Critical. If your Magicka is higher, it'll use Magicka, Spell Damage, and Spell Critical.
Penetration types are dependent on damage the Ultimate uses; If the Ultimate deals Magic, Fire, Ice, or Shock it uses Spell Penetration/Resistance. If the Ultimate deals Physical, Disease, or Poison damage it'll use Physical Penetration/Resistance.
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✭✭✭✭✭Magic DMG Ults scale from your Spell and Magicka stuff
Physical DMG Ults scale from your Weapon and Stamina stuff
False. Every ult scale from highest stats (stam or mag and wep or spell dmg)
Ultimates do scale from either mighty or elemental expert tho, so there is that.
But on say noncp campaign, soul assault will hit just as hard for a guy with 30k stam or a guy with 30k magicka. (if their spell and wep dmg is also equal)
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Chelo✭✭✭✭✭Gilliamtherogue wrote: »Magic DMG Ults scale from your Spell and Magicka stuff
Physical DMG Ults scale from your Weapon and Stamina stuff
Ultimates scale with whatever stats are highest. If your Stamina is higher, it'll use Stamina, Weapon Damage, and Weapon Critical. If your Magicka is higher, it'll use Magicka, Spell Damage, and Spell Critical.
Penetration types are dependent on damage the Ultimate uses; If the Ultimate deals Magic, Fire, Ice, or Shock it uses Spell Penetration/Resistance. If the Ultimate deals Physical, Disease, or Poison damage it'll use Physical Penetration/Resistance.
When I morph My Death Stroke,my Soul Harvest tooltip (Magic dmg) is higher than my Incapacitating Strike tooltip (Disease dmg).
Acording to what you said, it should always scale from my higher stat so Spell DMG and Magicka stuff, so the tooltip should have to be exactly the same, doesnt matter one morph is Magic and the other Disease (Physical).
But the numbers are there and they are not the same, when I morph it to Magic DMG, the tooltip is clearly higher than the Disease DMG Morph...
Feel free to check it, get any Magicka or Stamina based character, morph 1 Ultimate to Magic DMG, reset and morph it to Physical DMG, the tooltips DMG are going to be different, and by what you said, the tooltips should always be the same...
At least as a Nightblade, do it with Death Stroke and you will see...0 -
Gilliamtherogue✭✭✭✭✭
✭Gilliamtherogue wrote: »Magic DMG Ults scale from your Spell and Magicka stuff
Physical DMG Ults scale from your Weapon and Stamina stuff
Ultimates scale with whatever stats are highest. If your Stamina is higher, it'll use Stamina, Weapon Damage, and Weapon Critical. If your Magicka is higher, it'll use Magicka, Spell Damage, and Spell Critical.
Penetration types are dependent on damage the Ultimate uses; If the Ultimate deals Magic, Fire, Ice, or Shock it uses Spell Penetration/Resistance. If the Ultimate deals Physical, Disease, or Poison damage it'll use Physical Penetration/Resistance.
When I morph My Death Stroke,my Soul Harvest tooltip (Magic dmg) is higher than my Incapacitating Strike tooltip (Disease dmg).
Acording to what you said, it should always scale from my higher stat so Spell DMG and Magicka stuff, so the tooltip should have to be exactly the same, doesnt matter one morph is Magic and the other Disease (Physical).
But the numbers are there and they are not the same, when I morph it to Magic DMG, the tooltip is clearly higher than the Disease DMG Morph...
Feel free to check it, get any Magicka or Stamina based character, morph 1 Ultimate to Magic DMG, reset and morph it to Physical DMG, the tooltips DMG are going to be different, and by what you said, the tooltips should always be the same...
At least as a Nightblade, do it with Death Stroke and you will see...
The tooltip will not always be the same. Just because they use any stats, doesn't mean they will scale to the same exact number. You don't have identical Stamina and Magicka pools, or Weapon and Spell damage? CP also is another big factor; Elemental Expert will make Magic/elemental abilities up to 25% stronger, while leaving non magical damage sources lesser.Old member of The Order of Mundus, Mostly Harmless, Hostile, and Genesis Elite. Avid theorycrafter. Herald to competitive stamina DPS pre 1.5. How far we've come!
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Reorx_Holybeard✭✭✭✭✭Gilliamtherogue wrote: »Magic DMG Ults scale from your Spell and Magicka stuff
Physical DMG Ults scale from your Weapon and Stamina stuff
Ultimates scale with whatever stats are highest. If your Stamina is higher, it'll use Stamina, Weapon Damage, and Weapon Critical. If your Magicka is higher, it'll use Magicka, Spell Damage, and Spell Critical.
Penetration types are dependent on damage the Ultimate uses; If the Ultimate deals Magic, Fire, Ice, or Shock it uses Spell Penetration/Resistance. If the Ultimate deals Physical, Disease, or Poison damage it'll use Physical Penetration/Resistance.
When I morph My Death Stroke,my Soul Harvest tooltip (Magic dmg) is higher than my Incapacitating Strike tooltip (Disease dmg).
Acording to what you said, it should always scale from my higher stat so Spell DMG and Magicka stuff, so the tooltip should have to be exactly the same, doesnt matter one morph is Magic and the other Disease (Physical).
But the numbers are there and they are not the same, when I morph it to Magic DMG, the tooltip is clearly higher than the Disease DMG Morph...
Feel free to check it, get any Magicka or Stamina based character, morph 1 Ultimate to Magic DMG, reset and morph it to Physical DMG, the tooltips DMG are going to be different, and by what you said, the tooltips should always be the same...
At least as a Nightblade, do it with Death Stroke and you will see...
Note that the skill coefficients for Death Stroke, Incapacitating Strike, and Soul Harvest are identical (see http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoSkills for details). That means if you had no forms of +magic or +disease damage the tooltips would be identical. Feel free to play around with them on PTS if you need convincing!Reorx Holybeard -- NA/PC
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Chelo✭✭✭✭✭Gilliamtherogue wrote: »Gilliamtherogue wrote: »Magic DMG Ults scale from your Spell and Magicka stuff
Physical DMG Ults scale from your Weapon and Stamina stuff
Ultimates scale with whatever stats are highest. If your Stamina is higher, it'll use Stamina, Weapon Damage, and Weapon Critical. If your Magicka is higher, it'll use Magicka, Spell Damage, and Spell Critical.
Penetration types are dependent on damage the Ultimate uses; If the Ultimate deals Magic, Fire, Ice, or Shock it uses Spell Penetration/Resistance. If the Ultimate deals Physical, Disease, or Poison damage it'll use Physical Penetration/Resistance.
When I morph My Death Stroke,my Soul Harvest tooltip (Magic dmg) is higher than my Incapacitating Strike tooltip (Disease dmg).
Acording to what you said, it should always scale from my higher stat so Spell DMG and Magicka stuff, so the tooltip should have to be exactly the same, doesnt matter one morph is Magic and the other Disease (Physical).
But the numbers are there and they are not the same, when I morph it to Magic DMG, the tooltip is clearly higher than the Disease DMG Morph...
Feel free to check it, get any Magicka or Stamina based character, morph 1 Ultimate to Magic DMG, reset and morph it to Physical DMG, the tooltips DMG are going to be different, and by what you said, the tooltips should always be the same...
At least as a Nightblade, do it with Death Stroke and you will see...
The tooltip will not always be the same. Just because they use any stats, doesn't mean they will scale to the same exact number. You don't have identical Stamina and Magicka pools, or Weapon and Spell damage? CP also is another big factor; Elemental Expert will make Magic/elemental abilities up to 25% stronger, while leaving non magical damage sources lesser.Reorx_Holybeard wrote: »Gilliamtherogue wrote: »Magic DMG Ults scale from your Spell and Magicka stuff
Physical DMG Ults scale from your Weapon and Stamina stuff
Ultimates scale with whatever stats are highest. If your Stamina is higher, it'll use Stamina, Weapon Damage, and Weapon Critical. If your Magicka is higher, it'll use Magicka, Spell Damage, and Spell Critical.
Penetration types are dependent on damage the Ultimate uses; If the Ultimate deals Magic, Fire, Ice, or Shock it uses Spell Penetration/Resistance. If the Ultimate deals Physical, Disease, or Poison damage it'll use Physical Penetration/Resistance.
When I morph My Death Stroke,my Soul Harvest tooltip (Magic dmg) is higher than my Incapacitating Strike tooltip (Disease dmg).
Acording to what you said, it should always scale from my higher stat so Spell DMG and Magicka stuff, so the tooltip should have to be exactly the same, doesnt matter one morph is Magic and the other Disease (Physical).
But the numbers are there and they are not the same, when I morph it to Magic DMG, the tooltip is clearly higher than the Disease DMG Morph...
Feel free to check it, get any Magicka or Stamina based character, morph 1 Ultimate to Magic DMG, reset and morph it to Physical DMG, the tooltips DMG are going to be different, and by what you said, the tooltips should always be the same...
At least as a Nightblade, do it with Death Stroke and you will see...
Note that the skill coefficients for Death Stroke, Incapacitating Strike, and Soul Harvest are identical (see http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoSkills for details). That means if you had no forms of +magic or +disease damage the tooltips would be identical. Feel free to play around with them on PTS if you need convincing!
So at the end you guys gave me the reason because thats exactly my point, If you have Spell DMG and Magicka Stuff Moddifiers, of course your Magic Ult tooltips are going to be higher than their Physical version and vice versa.
If you are a Stamina character with full Physical dmg moddifiers, your Soul Assault is not going to be near as strong than a Magicka character with full Magic dmg moddifiers.
And as you show in http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoSkills of course the base tooltips in a blank Character are going to be the same for physical and magic dmg Ult, but it will change depending on your build at the end and thats the point...0