Buying and selling "skyreach runs" thoughts?

LuminaLilly · April 2017

I see it alot. People charging for em. Thoughts? I think it's an ok method of helping one party level up while another makes money. But many in area chat tends to down talk it.

Also, how much is it on average?

Phinix1 · April 2017

I am against any and all forms of pay-to-carry. Level up yourself like everybody else.

Also I am against fad-of-the-moment grind spots as it either clutters the map or causes lag/crashing on the shard/instance where everybody and their brother is paying to auto-pilot their gaming experience.

Try leveling by actually playing and LEARNING the game and your class I say.

EDIT: Not talking to/about "you" personally, OP. Just speaking generally.

wolfxspice · April 2017

this is a mmo, leveling is a service people will pay for, i talked to one of my friends the other day who paid someone to help him grind skyreach, this guy was recommended to him by a friend, he said, "i just laid their on the floor dead, in a hour and a half i was maxed out" the price for the 50 levels was 100k. all this being said, if a guildie asked me to help them level, i would not charge, because thats what a guild is for.

Rohamad_Ali · April 2017

That's up to the players . I don't force my opinion on others . I do not charge anymore to help but if someone wants to pay some grinding group to level fast , it's not against the rules for Ingame gold . If they think it's worth it , that's up to them .

redspecter23 · April 2017

I don't mind selling or buying runs through Skyreach. There is clearly a market for it. I get confused by the guys that post "lv 46, looking for carry through Skyreach to hit 50" and they post it every 30 seconds for 2 hours straight. Yeah, Skyreach is great xp but you can go get those last 4 levels anywhere by yourself in a fairly quick timeframe anyway.

otis67 · April 2017

It doesn't bother me. I will never carry anyone for money nor wil I ever pay someone to carry me. Thats just me tho.

Integral1900 · April 2017

Why bother, just trundle over to Deshaan and park yourself at a dark archor or three while chugging xp potions, it ain't hard

Also, why would you need to bribe them, I'd run it just for the hell of it, that huge fight at the chest is the best punch up in the whole game

Banana · April 2017

Weirdos

cpuScientist · April 2017

I don't mind it at all. Do not see how it's a problem.

Prof_Bawbag · April 2017

And ... that's the people you end up in vet dungeons that spam nothing but light attacks because they have learned next to nothing about the class someone has levelled up for them. Power levelling can be a great thing in certain games, not so much when those people feel the need to hider others with their laziness when it comes to end game content.

It's like some of those strutting around with the "Former Emperor" title. You really can tell those who have either achieved via minecraft or who have paid others to carry them.

clocksstoppe · April 2017

Phinix1 wrote: »

I am against any and all forms of pay-to-carry. Level up yourself like everybody else.

Also I am against fad-of-the-moment grind spots as it either clutters the map or causes lag/crashing on the shard/instance where everybody and their brother is paying to auto-pilot their gaming experience.

Try leveling by actually playing and LEARNING the game and your class I say.

EDIT: Not talking to/about "you" personally, OP. Just speaking generally.

There is a conflict with what you are saying here. You say people shouldn't pay for skyreach because they don't learn about the game but the reality is 100% of the people who would do this already know everything.

Prof_Bawbag · April 2017

clocksstoppe wrote: »

Phinix1 wrote: »

I am against any and all forms of pay-to-carry. Level up yourself like everybody else.

Also I am against fad-of-the-moment grind spots as it either clutters the map or causes lag/crashing on the shard/instance where everybody and their brother is paying to auto-pilot their gaming experience.

Try leveling by actually playing and LEARNING the game and your class I say.

EDIT: Not talking to/about "you" personally, OP. Just speaking generally.

There is a conflict with what you are saying here. You say people shouldn't pay for skyreach because they don't learn about the game but the reality is 100% of the people who would do this already know everything.

Where did you pull that figure from? Because that's not what I'm seeing. Craglorn is constantly spammed with people who don't even know where Skyreach is ffs.

ColoursYouHave · April 2017

Phinix1 wrote: »

I am against any and all forms of pay-to-carry. Level up yourself like everybody else.

Also I am against fad-of-the-moment grind spots as it either clutters the map or causes lag/crashing on the shard/instance where everybody and their brother is paying to auto-pilot their gaming experience.

Try leveling by actually playing and LEARNING the game and your class I say.

What if you've already leveled up and learned to play multiple classes and know how to play the game? By my 9th-10th toon, I don't think there is anything left for me to learn by going through the overland PVE content...

Now paying for somebody to carry you is pretty silly IMO seeing how quickly you can level up by grinding yourself anyways, but if people want to blow their gold on that, by all means.

CheepsNSalsa · April 2017

I leveled my first and second chars to 50 myself, I've had 2 other chars powerleveled to 50. Being powerleveled in skyreach catacombs takes 1-2 hours. Takes 5 or 6 hours of constant grinding to hit 50 by myself. I'll gladly pay 50k per hour for power leveling. The time I save equals more money/fun in the long run.

Izaki · April 2017

Really people do that? I just hop into Skyreach and group up with a random when i need to level a skill or something

Tabbycat · April 2017

As long as it isn't real money, who cares. That's my personal opinion.

People were buying carries in GW1. 1-2 platinum to kill Shiro.

It's nothing new.

There are cheaper alternatives though.

Lexxypwns · April 2017

Tabbycat wrote: »

As long as it isn't real money, who cares. That's my personal opinion.

People were buying carries in GW1. 1-2 platinum to kill Shiro.

It's nothing new.

There are cheaper alternatives though.

What about it being real money would make it not ok, then? If you don't mind me asking

clocksstoppe · April 2017

Prof_Bawbag wrote: »

clocksstoppe wrote: »

Phinix1 wrote: »

I am against any and all forms of pay-to-carry. Level up yourself like everybody else.

Also I am against fad-of-the-moment grind spots as it either clutters the map or causes lag/crashing on the shard/instance where everybody and their brother is paying to auto-pilot their gaming experience.

Try leveling by actually playing and LEARNING the game and your class I say.

EDIT: Not talking to/about "you" personally, OP. Just speaking generally.

There is a conflict with what you are saying here. You say people shouldn't pay for skyreach because they don't learn about the game but the reality is 100% of the people who would do this already know everything.

Where did you pull that figure from? Because that's not what I'm seeing. Craglorn is constantly spammed with people who don't even know where Skyreach is ffs.

I don't know where skyreach is either but I would still pay someone for it if i really wanted a fast new lvl50 toon.

alexkdd99 · April 2017

The ability to level so fast through exp events and enlightenment is why we see so many high level people that don't know how to play.

I always tell people they would be better off just playing the game and then grind whatever after so they know their toon. But I never tell people what to do, just kind of suggest what I think is a better way.

Waseem · April 2017

if it works then why not..
i'd pay for someone to speed up my leveling since i have multiple characters and spending less hours doing boring grind is always better

Katahdin · April 2017

Its not my cup of tea but if people want to pay and other want to do it for payment, I see no problem with it.
I dislike when people keep begging in map for someone to do it or if people expect it to be free though.

However I dont feel that grinding is the best way to level. Playing the damn game is the best way to level, imo
Personally, I hate grinding. I leveled 12 characters by myself and I didnt spend one minute grinding to do it.
The last 4 were really fast because I did them during the double XP events at Halloween and Xmas by just getting the event things done.

Sheezabeast · April 2017

This crap here is what will push Zos to make lvl 50 characters buyable in the crown store.

Tabbycat · April 2017

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Tabbycat wrote: »

As long as it isn't real money, who cares. That's my personal opinion.

People were buying carries in GW1. 1-2 platinum to kill Shiro.

It's nothing new.

There are cheaper alternatives though.

What about it being real money would make it not ok, then? If you don't mind me asking

Then it would be breaking EULA, wouldn't it?

Dantaria · April 2017

Lexxypwns wrote: »

What about it being real money would make it not ok, then? If you don't mind me asking

It's a violation of ToS. Players have no right to make money on game contect

As for topic... Now I'm honestly frustrated by all this.

These "runs" - both paid or made by someone himself - result in:

a) Yes, absolutely unskilled but high-CP people. Levelling is for learning, for god's sake! Go to dungeons, go to trials, memorize your rotation, learn. If you are not going to participate in endgame content and are going to continue exploring the game solo, whatever for are you grinding Skyreach?! Yeah. It makes no sense. All these people are probably actually going to participate in end-game content.

Well. Breaking news. CPs won't help you. At. All.

b) Burnt out people. The one who then go to guildchat and say "this game is grindy and boring, i'm so tired, why do we all play, this game is boring, la-la-la, i don't want to play anymore, feel sorry for me, feel sorry with me".

Well, guess what? I won't. You practically lived in Skyreach last week. Made 150 cp there, I see. Nice. Ooooh, the game is boring for you? You digged your own grave. Stop. Whining.

***

It... Duh. It honestly is none of my business.

I know. I know. It's a game and people can do whatever they like for as long as it doesn't violate ToS.

I'm just honestly frustrated. By only-hard-casting-frags-sorcs, only-pets-and-spam-forse-pulse-sorcs, i-gotta-snipe-snipe-is-great and all that. There are many of those. And many of whiners, who grinded dat sweet cp, but... What good did it bring them?

Just play the damn game, levels will come. But in the end of a day - it's their personal business. I'll go have a smoke, grab some tea and calm down

IcyDeadPeople · April 2017

alexkdd99 wrote: »

The ability to level so fast through exp events and enlightenment is why we see so many high level people that don't know how to play.

If by "how to play" you mean how to survive and kill other players in PVP or how to hit 30k dps in endgame PVE, etc I don't quite see how spending a week doing all the quests could teach anyone how to play either.
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Lexxypwns · April 2017

Tabbycat wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Tabbycat wrote: »

As long as it isn't real money, who cares. That's my personal opinion.

People were buying carries in GW1. 1-2 platinum to kill Shiro.

It's nothing new.

There are cheaper alternatives though.

What about it being real money would make it not ok, then? If you don't mind me asking

Then it would be breaking ToS, wouldn't it?

Dantaria wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

What about it being real money would make it not ok, then? If you don't mind me asking

It's a violation of ToS. Players have no right to make money on game contect

As for topic... Now I'm honestly frustrated by all this.

These "runs" - both paid or made by someone himself - result in:

a) Yes, absolutely unskilled but high-CP people. Levelling is for learning, for god's sake! Go to dungeons, go to trials, memorize your rotation, learn. If you are not going to participate in endgame content and are going to continue exploring the game solo, whatever for are you grinding Skyreach?! Yeah. It makes no sense. All these people are probably actually going to participate in end-game content.

Well. Breaking news. CPs won't help you. At. All.

b) Burnt out people. The one who then go to guildchat and say "this game is grindy and boring, i'm so tired, why do we all play, this game is boring, la-la-la, i don't want to play anymore, feel sorry for me, feel sorry with me".

Well, guess what? I won't. You practically lived in Skyreach last week. Made 150 cp there, I see. Nice. Ooooh, the game is boring for you? You digged your own grave. Stop. Whining.

***

It... Duh. It honestly is none of my business.

I know. I know. It's a game and people can do whatever they like for as long as it doesn't violate ToS.

I'm just honestly frustrated. By only-hard-casting-frags-sorcs, only-pets-and-spam-forse-pulse-sorcs, i-gotta-snipe-snipe-is-great and all that. There are many of those. And many of whiners, who grinded dat sweet cp, but... What good did it bring them?

Just play the damn game, levels will come. But in the end of a day - it's their personal business. I'll go have a smoke, grab some tea and calm down

Yeah, but breaking ToS is something for ZoS to worry with, not players. Let's say hypothectically it weren't against the ToS, would that then make it ok in either of your opinions?

Tabbycat · April 2017

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Tabbycat wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Tabbycat wrote: »

As long as it isn't real money, who cares. That's my personal opinion.

People were buying carries in GW1. 1-2 platinum to kill Shiro.

It's nothing new.

There are cheaper alternatives though.

What about it being real money would make it not ok, then? If you don't mind me asking

Then it would be breaking ToS, wouldn't it?

Dantaria wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

What about it being real money would make it not ok, then? If you don't mind me asking

It's a violation of ToS. Players have no right to make money on game contect

As for topic... Now I'm honestly frustrated by all this.

These "runs" - both paid or made by someone himself - result in:

a) Yes, absolutely unskilled but high-CP people. Levelling is for learning, for god's sake! Go to dungeons, go to trials, memorize your rotation, learn. If you are not going to participate in endgame content and are going to continue exploring the game solo, whatever for are you grinding Skyreach?! Yeah. It makes no sense. All these people are probably actually going to participate in end-game content.

Well. Breaking news. CPs won't help you. At. All.

b) Burnt out people. The one who then go to guildchat and say "this game is grindy and boring, i'm so tired, why do we all play, this game is boring, la-la-la, i don't want to play anymore, feel sorry for me, feel sorry with me".

Well, guess what? I won't. You practically lived in Skyreach last week. Made 150 cp there, I see. Nice. Ooooh, the game is boring for you? You digged your own grave. Stop. Whining.

***

It... Duh. It honestly is none of my business.

I know. I know. It's a game and people can do whatever they like for as long as it doesn't violate ToS.

I'm just honestly frustrated. By only-hard-casting-frags-sorcs, only-pets-and-spam-forse-pulse-sorcs, i-gotta-snipe-snipe-is-great and all that. There are many of those. And many of whiners, who grinded dat sweet cp, but... What good did it bring them?

Just play the damn game, levels will come. But in the end of a day - it's their personal business. I'll go have a smoke, grab some tea and calm down

Yeah, but breaking ToS is something for ZoS to worry with, not players. Let's say hypothectically it weren't against the ToS, would that then make it ok in either of your opinions?

Are you saying you think it's okay to sell a service for real world currency when you know it's against EULA/TOS?

phairdon · April 2017

Noticed this in zone chat, for the first time, yesterday. Providing paying in game gold is not against t.o.s, can't see the problem.
Remember people doing the same with the dungeons in gw2.

Dantaria · April 2017

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Yeah, but breaking ToS is something for ZoS to worry with, not players. Let's say hypothectically it weren't against the ToS, would that then make it ok in either of your opinions?

My personal opinion: if it hypothectically wasn't against ToS - sure, by all means. It's ok.

What isn't forbidden is allowed. How people spend their money is their personal business. If there is a buyer and there is a seller - well, there is a deal

For as long as there would be no scam (the service would actually be delivered) - I honestly don't see why not. Free will, freedom of choice, etc

But it is against the ToS, so, as it is, I'm, of course, against it.

redspecter23 · April 2017

To those suggesting that powerleveling leads to players with no knowledge of how to play their class, how would standard leveling from 1 - 50 and then through cp ranks help? They would learn absolutely nothing that would help them with endgame there as well. Someone looking to learn has a steep curve ahead of them. They need friends or guildmates or perhaps 3rd party sites and videos to teach them what they need for endgame. Leveling through Cadwell's silver and gold will teach them exactly jack all about how to play the class. I'd say they'd learn more from 2 hours in Skyreach watching someone that does know what to do and ask appropriate questions if they are receptive.

Kalante · April 2017

New players? who cares it's their prerogative.