some people...

Lynx7386 · March 2017

So I'm on my tank tonight, helping a guild member get pledges done. He's been trying to refine his build (dps stamblade) and is cp200. My tank is at the 375 range.

We queue into vet vaults of madness (of course instantly getting kicked out because of the group finder bug, then travel back in). We ended up with a 410 healer and 600 dps, think the dps wad a stamplar.

By the second boss, our healer is rushing headlong into packs, constantly getting himself killed. On the skeletal colossus boss, he makes the comment in group chat "can we get rid of the archers?" - referring to the fact that, like any proper stamina dps, both of our damage dealers had bow back bars. Neither was solely using the bow (guildie had dw, and the 600 had 2h).

I ignore it and we continue. Healer continues rushing past everyone else and pulling everything, making it difficult for me as the tank to bring together packs for aoe. I addressed it in chat asking why he was in such a hurry, and he comments that "unlike trash players I have thing to do and don't want to spend all day in a simple dungeon".

It gets more caustic from there, with this guy insulting everyone else in the group while being a general waste of a slot. My sap tank was doing most of the healing.

On the final boss, he decides to sabotage things by not healing and, through several wipes due to these shenanigans, constantly aggroing the boss right after reviving so we can't use the scroll.

Long story short, we kick him, bring in a guild healer, and finish Hardmode in one easy attempt. This guy was so worried about wasting time in a dungeon that he ended up literally wasting time by getting kicked before he could get a key.

Why are people like this?

FriedEggSandwich · March 2017

My old boss used to have a saying; "1 in 3 is a prick". Personally I don't think it's as much as 1 in 3 but it's close.

Gordon906 · March 2017

I am an ass sometimes when one of my team mates or all does not have an optimized build in vet dungeons and decides to reject my advice. But I know how it feels being stuck in a easy dungeon with someone who's rebellious and doesn't know how to play properly.

nine9six · March 2017

Sofa King.

Argawarga · March 2017

First pug?

Phinix1 · March 2017

I think it's mercury in the vaccines causing irreversible brain damage personally.

Lynx7386 · March 2017

Argawarga wrote: »

First pug?

Not for me, and I hardly ever kick anyone even if they're bad (not that I don't get frustrated sometimes but I usually grit my teeth and gitrdun). People that have an attitude like this, though, I have no problem giving the boot.

Argawarga · March 2017

Lynx7386 wrote: »

This guy was so worried about wasting time in a dungeon that he ended up literally wasting time by getting kicked before he could get a key.

Sounds like a typical CP/IQ imbalance. These people are everywhere.

Y'know, that one person who skips bosses, aggros for no reason, refuses to wait for tank/healer, dies often, and blames everyone else around them when it's painfully obvious to the entire group that they are the problem.

Also known as the Dunning-Kruger effect IRL (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning–Kruger_effect).

alexkdd99 · March 2017

Gordon906 wrote: »

I am an ass sometimes when one of my team mates or all does not have an optimized build in vet dungeons and decides to reject my advice. But I know how it feels being stuck in a easy dungeon with someone who's rebellious and doesn't know how to play properly.

Except when you are the person dieing repeatedly you can only blame yourself. I have learned when using group finder to not rely on others so much. So I can self heal and kite bosses if need be while also dps.

It's ok to be in a hurry but when you suck and try to put it off on others, that is not ok.

Honestly that entire dungeon is a cake walk and most of it is fairly easy to solo. If he was the healer and he was running ahead and wiping then he is the problem. Of course that is evident when they kick him and beat the dungeon so quickly.

What is really funny is when people give advice that is wrong and get mad when you don't accept. Not saying you do this but it seems as if the person op is taking about is doing this. As he was saying not to use bow, when most stamina DPS back bar a bow.

Now the person using a 2 hand, which was 600 CP should be probably know dw is so much better by now.

Rohamad_Ali · March 2017

Phinix1 wrote: »

I think it's mercury in the vaccines causing irreversible brain damage personally.

That ^ and Kids these days like quality programming like Dukes of Hazard and Different Strokes .

Tasear · March 2017

Some people don't play nice with others.

Necrelios · March 2017

Phinix1 wrote: »

I think it's mercury in the vaccines causing irreversible brain damage personally.

Bingo! It destroys the nervous system too by depleting the copper, so the nerves lack the proper materials to form a copper ion bond and default back to the closest mineral they can find essentially leading to ADD/ADHD and even fully dysfunctional neuro peptide bonds forming conditions like autism and mad cow disease since sulfur is now almost entirely missing from the standard diet.

MLGProPlayer · March 2017

VoM is a popular "speed run" dungeon because it's so easy. Having said that, you can't force the pace unless you are DPS.

Wrecking_Blow_Spam · March 2017

Some people should just go jump off a bridge and die....
Then respawn and repeat the cycle.

FloppyTouch · March 2017

Some people just want to see the world burn

Volrion · March 2017

He's obviously being a *** so I wouldn't stress too much.

With that said, even the elitist d-bags can be helpful and can make valid points.

Just a bit of constructive criticism in regards to the "get rid of the archers comment" perhaps you could equip swarm mother if you're on a NB and pull them in for a faster burn. *(If the guy complaining is used to an end game DK tank he'd probably expect ranged adds to be chained in). Not a major issue, but it definitely slows things down a little not being able to pull everything together on trash fights.

It's hard when you pug. High rank players get used to doing both pledges in under and hour. I know you didn't give details, but running a 200cp DPS would have slowed the run down a bit compared to a capped player. Regardless of how competent said player is, he simply won't have the power to pull big numbers with only 200cp.

This player doesn't sound like he handled it in a constructive way, but I can see why he may have been frustrated by the run.

Gordon906 · March 2017

alexkdd99 wrote: »

Gordon906 wrote: »

I am an ass sometimes when one of my team mates or all does not have an optimized build in vet dungeons and decides to reject my advice. But I know how it feels being stuck in a easy dungeon with someone who's rebellious and doesn't know how to play properly.

Except when you are the person dieing repeatedly you can only blame yourself. I have learned when using group finder to not rely on others so much. So I can self heal and kite bosses if need be while also dps.

It's ok to be in a hurry but when you suck and try to put it off on others, that is not ok.

Honestly that entire dungeon is a cake walk and most of it is fairly easy to solo. If he was the healer and he was running ahead and wiping then he is the problem. Of course that is evident when they kick him and beat the dungeon so quickly.

What is really funny is when people give advice that is wrong and get mad when you don't accept. Not saying you do this but it seems as if the person op is taking about is doing this. As he was saying not to use bow, when most stamina DPS back bar a bow.

Now the person using a 2 hand, which was 600 CP should be probably know dw is so much better by now.

My team refuses to revive and I am a tank that focus on survival, and utility and I deal little damage so I dont solo well. When I run with good dps it is always a cake walk even on hm vet in in harder dungeons such as blessed crucible and coa2. But these guys gave me a hard time with banished cell 1 vet which is one of the easiest dungeons. There is also that guy on wgt that refuses to close the rifts nor speak when in inhibitor boss.

SydneyGrey · March 2017

FriedEggSandwich wrote: »

My old boss used to have a saying; "1 in 3 is a prick". Personally I don't think it's as much as 1 in 3 but it's close.

1 in 3 sounds about right for the real world, although I'd like to think that ESO has a smaller number of jerks than the real world does.

Damianos · March 2017

This instantly came to mind:

Then I wondered...well if the healer was Khajiit...

Anyway, sorry to hear of your troubles, but don't sweat it, there's a lot of fun players in PuGs I've found.

AlienatedGoat · March 2017

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

Phinix1 wrote: »

I think it's mercury in the vaccines causing irreversible brain damage personally.

That ^ and Kids these days like quality programming like Dukes of Hazard and Different Strokes .

You're showing your age, gramps.

altemriel · March 2017

Lynx7386 wrote: »

So I'm on my tank tonight, helping a guild member get pledges done. He's been trying to refine his build (dps stamblade) and is cp200. My tank is at the 375 range.

We queue into vet vaults of madness (of course instantly getting kicked out because of the group finder bug, then travel back in). We ended up with a 410 healer and 600 dps, think the dps wad a stamplar.

By the second boss, our healer is rushing headlong into packs, constantly getting himself killed. On the skeletal colossus boss, he makes the comment in group chat "can we get rid of the archers?" - referring to the fact that, like any proper stamina dps, both of our damage dealers had bow back bars. Neither was solely using the bow (guildie had dw, and the 600 had 2h).

I ignore it and we continue. Healer continues rushing past everyone else and pulling everything, making it difficult for me as the tank to bring together packs for aoe. I addressed it in chat asking why he was in such a hurry, and he comments that "unlike trash players I have thing to do and don't want to spend all day in a simple dungeon".

It gets more caustic from there, with this guy insulting everyone else in the group while being a general waste of a slot. My sap tank was doing most of the healing.

On the final boss, he decides to sabotage things by not healing and, through several wipes due to these shenanigans, constantly aggroing the boss right after reviving so we can't use the scroll.

Long story short, we kick him, bring in a guild healer, and finish Hardmode in one easy attempt. This guy was so worried about wasting time in a dungeon that he ended up literally wasting time by getting kicked before he could get a key.

Why are people like this?

some people are just stupid. ignore list is your friend

Enslaved · March 2017

Lynx7386 wrote: »

Why are people like this?

Because miserable ppl that screams for attention like to share their misery with others.
I can understand insulting others in PvP ( as I do that shiet myself).
But insulting and sabotaging others in PvE - we should be able to report ppl like that.

Sleep · March 2017

some people's heads are just full of turd

Lynx7386 · March 2017

Volrion wrote: »

Just a bit of constructive criticism in regards to the "get rid of the archers comment" perhaps you could equip swarm mother if you're on a NB and pull them in for a faster burn. *(If the guy complaining is used to an end game DK tank he'd probably expect ranged adds to be chained in). Not a major issue, but it definitely slows things down a little not being able to pull everything together on trash fights.
.

He was referring to our two dps guys using bows, not the enemies

LilySix · March 2017

Don't you never rush dailies ?

Rickter · March 2017

there's always two sides to a story and im willing to bet that healer probably felt the same about you. were you at least taunting the archers? maybe he was expecting you to chain them in but didnt realize you werent a dk

idk man, i wouldnt sweat it too much, you got the run completed and sometimes you cant control how much salt gets poured out.

starkerealm · March 2017

FriedEggSandwich wrote: »

My old boss used to have a saying; "1 in 3 is a prick". Personally I don't think it's as much as 1 in 3 but it's close.

Or the old joke, "look to your left, now to your right. If you didn't see an *******, you probably are one."

Asardes · March 2017

The funniest part of running VVoM is when someone gets linked to the 1st boss (Ghost with a few skeleton adds), people keep DPS-ing that boss, he predictably dies, then promptly blames the healer

ThePaleItalian · March 2017

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

Phinix1 wrote: »

I think it's mercury in the vaccines causing irreversible brain damage personally.

That ^ and Kids these days like quality programming like Dukes of Hazard and Different Strokes .

Daisy Duke is a national treasure sir!!

Lynx7386 · March 2017

Asardes wrote: »

The funniest part of running VVoM is when someone gets linked to the 1st boss (Ghost with a few skeleton adds), people keep DPS-ing that boss, he predictably dies, then promptly blames the healer

Yknow I actually never knew that the link was related to damaging the boss, I just always assumed it was intended to be a one shot mechanic.

Guess that makes more sense now, but I've never blamed the healer for dying there.

NordSwordnBoard · March 2017

Asardes wrote: »

The funniest part of running VVoM is when someone gets linked to the 1st boss (Ghost with a few skeleton adds), people keep DPS-ing that boss, he predictably dies, then promptly blames the healer

I dropped my ult on that wraith last night, thinking, this might screw somebody over. Turned out to be me! It was self sacrifice, actually... Yeah I meant to do that for the team... Yep

That mechanic is good in theory but the boss is too weak to really matter as a challenge.