DPS in Dungeons

WarpigFunk · March 2017

dpencil wrote: »

@FrancisCrawford
You can do that. It become more tricky to keep dots up. You lose a global cool down switching back and forth. You also can't weave it with light attacks in the Overload bar. If all you want to do in execute phase is spam Wrath and let your dots fall off, then yeah, no reason not to have it there.

You dont want to spam execute. You want to weave it. Why? because, thats more damage AND it keeps your weapon enchant proc'd during execute.

FrancisCrawford wrote: »

Is there a reason not to relegate Mage's Wrath to your Overload bar?

See above.

Thoosa wrote: »

I've got it up to 14473.1 by doing:

Haunting curse - blockade of fire - liquid lightning - swap bar - light attack - force pulse - light attack - entropy - crystal frags (if instant) - light attack - back to start.

Can I do this better to get higher dps?

Thanks

Potion - wait until potion is 3/4's of the way back to refreshing
Inferno staff charged heavy attack - elemental rage -
Light attack - liquid lightning - light attack - elemental blockade - light attack - familiar -
Barswap cancel
light attack - haunting curse - light attack - force pulse - weave 3-4 times, light attack- frags if/when it procs
Barswap
Repeat rotation:
Light attack - liquid lightning - light attack - elemental blockade - light attack - familiar -
Barswap cancel
light attack - haunting curse - light attack - force pulse - weave 3-4 times, light attack- frags if/when it procs

Use your potion every time the cooldown is up.

Use Shooting Star or Elemental Rage every time it's available

At 20% - keep your dots up - and light attack weave your execute until the skelly dies.

I've hit just under 37,000 DPS on the skelly with that rotation. And I'm only 460 CP with blue rings.
That number will go up once I can put 75 points into thamaturge, and become better with weaving.

Thoosa · March 2017

Hi all,

I'm wearing 4 Julianos - infused on chest and legs and divines on everything else, then 3 worms raiment (head, belt and feet I think, all divines). All max magicka enchantments except one is health on the legs. All purple except chest which is gold.

Gold primary ruin worm staff with daedric enchant and it's sharpened.

No potions as I haven't levelled it.

Food to get me to 40k magicka.

In blue I think 80 elemental, 25 thaumaturge, 50 spell erosion and 1 elfborn.

I'm on console too.

I normally do light attack, then put the skill and quickly hit light attack again.

Hope this helps!

malicia · March 2017

@OP - are you on PC? The CombatMetrics addon gives you heaps of information and can help the more experienced players here to ID your weak spots. It is certainly helping me to increase my DPS.

WarpigFunk · March 2017

Thoosa wrote: »

Hi all,

I'm wearing 4 Julianos - infused on chest and legs and divines on everything else, then 3 worms raiment (head, belt and feet I think, all divines). All max magicka enchantments except one is health on the legs. All purple except chest which is gold.

Gold primary ruin worm staff with daedric enchant and it's sharpened.

No potions as I haven't levelled it.

Food to get me to 40k magicka.

In blue I think 80 elemental, 25 thaumaturge, 50 spell erosion and 1 elfborn.

I'm on console too.

I normally do light attack, then put the skill and quickly hit light attack again.

Hope this helps!

Go farm Burning Spellweave and / or Necropotence.
Ditch the Worms. If you're running Julianos, run 5pc.
Also get the ilambris 2 pc set.

potions are mission critical for sustain and self buffs in lengthier trial fights.

Enchant your staff with weapon damage enchant (buffs weapon/spell damage on proc)

Max out elemental - keep thaumaturge - put 20 in elfborn - the rest you can keep in erosion.

Magdalina · March 2017

Thoosa wrote: »

I've got it up to 14473.1 by doing:

Haunting curse - blockade of fire - liquid lightning - swap bar - light attack - force pulse - light attack - entropy - crystal frags (if instant) - light attack - back to start.

Can I do this better to get higher dps?

Thanks

Keep in mind that Liquid lasts 10 seconds whereas Blockade only 8, so it's better to drop Liquid first, then Blockade. I actually found out that something as simple as this affected my dps by like several thousand due to having to renew dots more often otherwise.

You could also try adding a pet as third(fourth if you count Curse) dot, which would up your dps some more, though it's understandable if you don't want to, it can be annoying and you can hit very high numbers without it.

Are you using an ultimate? Meteor is a good one, or Destro staff one if you don't have Meteor. Don't forget to pop it as soon as it fills.

Are you using addons? It's really tricky to keep all the dots up nonstop without one, I actually installed S'rendarr just for the dots because FTC timers were simply not cutting it.

dpencil · March 2017

@Thoosa
You said you're wearing 4 Julianos and 3 Worm. But that's only 7 slots. You have 11 slots total including jewelry and a staff. Complete your Julianos set, since you have 4 pieces already. Generally, you should have 5 pieces of one set on your chest, legs, hands, feet, and waist. Altenratively, you could craft a couple sharpened staffs of Julianos to get you 5th set bonus. Shoulders and head should be flexible for when you have monster sets. If you have the Ilambris monstor set, you should use that. Willpower jewelry is very powerful. More powerful than many 4 piece combinations. So either do 4 Worm or 3 willpower and a couple random staffs that don't get any set bonus.

Daedric enchant is not very good. Use the Weapon Power glyph.

Make your CP this: 100 Ele expert. 10 Spell erosion. 22 Elfborn. 24 Thaumaturge. (This is assuming about 60% crit chance and 40/60 direct damage vs dot damage)

Think of the light attack as the "ka" In the word "ka-boom" Each second you can use 1 skill, so just before using it, hit light attack. Keep that going: "ka-boom, ka-boom, ka-boom, etc."

Not using potions is ok. It's a dps loss, but it's understandable since it can be very expensive to maintain. Still, you should level up alchemy to 50. It's not hard to do.

You still haven't told us what your skill bars look like. Several people have posted examples of a good setup. Something like this:
Bar 1: Crystal Fragments, Force Pulse, Mage's Wrath (or Elemental Drain if you are fighting a skeleton alone), Inner Light, Bound Aegis (or Volatile Familiar), Shooting Star (or Destro Ulti)

Bar 2: Haunting Curse (or Daedric Prey if using a pet), Liquid Lightning, Blockade of Fire/Storms, Power Surge, Bound Aegis (or Volatile Familiar), Overload or one of the front bar ultis

If you want to have Power Surge on your Overload bar and switch to it every 30 seconds, that bar would look like:

Overload: Power Surge, Boundless Storm (or anything), Mage's Wrath (or anything), Inner Light, Bound Aegis (or Volatile Familiar)

Since you're on console and don't have access to buff trackers yet, use Haunting Curse as your timer. It does its second explosion at 12 seconds. Cast Power Surge before combat. Start your rotation with an ultimate if you have it ready. Got your dots down, then spam force pulse until frags procs. Wait for the 2nd curse explosion, then reapply all dots. Every 3rd rotations, reapply Elemental Drain and Power Surge after your dots are down.

Thoosa · March 2017

Hi,

So I made the changes to the championship points, equipped 3 pieces burning spellweave to replace worm cult.

I tried this:

Heavy attack - elemental storm, swapped bar - liquid lightning - light attack - elemental blockade - light attack - curse, swapped bar, light attack - force pulse - light attack - force pulse - instant crystal frag if available - back to start, only doing curse when it exploded twice.

Still got 14k dps.

Maybe dummy is broken on console?

dpencil · March 2017

@Thoosa
Sorry you're still having trouble. At this point, one of the most helpful things for you to do would be to record yourself doing a parse and upload that to YouTube for us to look at. From what you've said, your rotation sounds much better, so let's double check some gear and general build stuff.

Please answer each of these questions:
- List every piece of gear you are wearing, including all body pieces, jewelry, and weapons.
- Is all armor enchanted with gold or purple max magicka glyphs?
- Does all armor have the Divines trait?
- Is the Thief your active mundus stone?
- Is all gear gold or purple and cp160?
- Are your weapons enchanted with Weapon Damage glyphs?
- Are both of your weapons in the Sharpened trait?
- Are you using a food/drink that gives max magicka (should also be giving max health)?
- List all the skills on your bars. If not using potions for Major Sorcery, you should have Power Surge somewhere.

Dantaria · March 2017

Also, guys, one thing missing

OP, are your staffs golden? Both of them? Upgrading weapons to gold is essentual for DPS.

WarpigFunk wrote: »

Go farm Burning Spellweave and / or Necropotence.
Ditch the Worms. If you're running Julianos, run 5pc.
Also get the ilambris 2 pc set.

Ok, hold on a bit, there is absolutely no need for leaderboard extremes

Julianos is fine for sorc. BSW outperforms it only for 2k DPS. What OP needs is to learn the rotation, not farm-farm-farm for the gear which will show increased DPS and therefore give a false sense of knowing rotation. Let's get OP to 20k DPS, ok? Then if he/she wishes, he/she can farm to make it to 22-23k.

OP, use 5 Julianos, it's totally fine. Also Willpower Jewellry is good for that setup. You may try using Robust first, it's dirt cheap. But Arcane is, ofc, preferable.

I, however, do agree on Ilambris monster set. Really must have for sorcs. Julianos + Willpower + Ilambris and you're fine.

However. If you, for now, don't have Ilambris... hmmm...

Thoosa wrote: »

In blue I think 80 elemental, 25 thaumaturge, 50 spell erosion and 1 elfborn.

Ah, yes, Found your CP. Yes, even without Ilambris the lowest bar is 20k DPS.

Don't put champ into spell erosion. So NOT worth it, the numbers are way too low. You should be fine with light armor passive and Sharpened staff.

Elfborn is WAY too low however. It's essentual part. And... too much in thaumaturge, I believe.

Go this way:
100 elemental, 10 thaumaturge, 45 elfborne, 1 staff expert (1% damage for light and heavy attack is good. But only 1 point! Not worth it after 1 point).

EDIT: edited numbers in last sentence, miscounted OPs' CPs first time, very sorry.

zaria · March 2017

Magdalina wrote: »

Thoosa wrote: »

I've got it up to 14473.1 by doing:

Haunting curse - blockade of fire - liquid lightning - swap bar - light attack - force pulse - light attack - entropy - crystal frags (if instant) - light attack - back to start.

Can I do this better to get higher dps?

Thanks

Keep in mind that Liquid lasts 10 seconds whereas Blockade only 8, so it's better to drop Liquid first, then Blockade. I actually found out that something as simple as this affected my dps by like several thousand due to having to renew dots more often otherwise.

You could also try adding a pet as third(fourth if you count Curse) dot, which would up your dps some more, though it's understandable if you don't want to, it can be annoying and you can hit very high numbers without it.

Are you using an ultimate? Meteor is a good one, or Destro staff one if you don't have Meteor. Don't forget to pop it as soon as it fills.

Are you using addons? It's really tricky to keep all the dots up nonstop without one, I actually installed S'rendarr just for the dots because FTC timers were simply not cutting it.

Question, how does placement in rotation affect dps? You will re cast them in the same order anyway?
Yes, having LL first makes sense as it do lots of damage and is important to have up all the time.

Magdalina · March 2017

zaria wrote: »

Magdalina wrote: »

Thoosa wrote: »

I've got it up to 14473.1 by doing:

Haunting curse - blockade of fire - liquid lightning - swap bar - light attack - force pulse - light attack - entropy - crystal frags (if instant) - light attack - back to start.

Can I do this better to get higher dps?

Thanks

Keep in mind that Liquid lasts 10 seconds whereas Blockade only 8, so it's better to drop Liquid first, then Blockade. I actually found out that something as simple as this affected my dps by like several thousand due to having to renew dots more often otherwise.

You could also try adding a pet as third(fourth if you count Curse) dot, which would up your dps some more, though it's understandable if you don't want to, it can be annoying and you can hit very high numbers without it.

Are you using an ultimate? Meteor is a good one, or Destro staff one if you don't have Meteor. Don't forget to pop it as soon as it fills.

Are you using addons? It's really tricky to keep all the dots up nonstop without one, I actually installed S'rendarr just for the dots because FTC timers were simply not cutting it.

Question, how does placement in rotation affect dps? You will re cast them in the same order anyway?
Yes, having LL first makes sense as it do lots of damage and is important to have up all the time.

Well they aren't insta cast. I mean they are but still, even with any cancel(which personally I'm not that great at, also harder at higher ping) they'll take like 0.5-1 second to place(maybe less if you're good at it but it will take some time). So naturally you'll want the longer lasting dot down first because otherwise you'll have something like "wall of elements ran out, liquid lightning 2.5 seconds remaining".

Also with Liquid in particular, for some reason I was having a really hard time casting it after light attack. Would keep lagging a bit and not working or working twice. Dunno if was just my bad timing or op ping but I've had 0 issues after putting it first on my bar.

AtraisMachina · March 2017

Stats are almost irrelevant when it comes to dps. Look up a build and practice the rotation and youll be better

Splattercat_83 · April 2017

Thoosa wrote: »

Hi,

So my stats are: max magicka: 30794, spell damage 3330 (I think buffed) and 48% spell critical. I'm wearing julianos and willpower.

I was in Crypt Of Hearts 2 and someone said that the dps was low and it was, it also seemed for me to be taking longer for me to down mobs. The other players were all 500+ cp (higher than me at 427) and that seemed weird to me, that higher players had low dps.

Does group level dps also effect my own dps when I'm fighting a mob?

All previous runs where I've been with other people have been fine and I've killed at what I think is a normal speed.

Thanks!

As said before leave inner light toggled on, and work on a rotation. Never hard cast a Crystal frag, make sure you have the instant cast proced when you use it.

Here is a video of me practicing my rotation.
[media]

https://youtu.be/17EmdljK9fo[/media]

If need be I'll slow down the video so you can see the rotation better. Just let me know if you want me to and I'll repost it.

ATEK302 · April 2017

Splattercat_83 wrote: »

Thoosa wrote: »

Hi,

So my stats are: max magicka: 30794, spell damage 3330 (I think buffed) and 48% spell critical. I'm wearing julianos and willpower.

I was in Crypt Of Hearts 2 and someone said that the dps was low and it was, it also seemed for me to be taking longer for me to down mobs. The other players were all 500+ cp (higher than me at 427) and that seemed weird to me, that higher players had low dps.

Does group level dps also effect my own dps when I'm fighting a mob?

All previous runs where I've been with other people have been fine and I've killed at what I think is a normal speed.

Thanks!

As said before leave inner light toggled on, and work on a rotation. Never hard cast a Crystal frag, make sure you have the instant cast proced when you use it.

Here is a video of me practicing my rotation.
[media]https://youtu.be/17EmdljK9fo[/media]

If need be I'll slow down the video so you can see the rotation better. Just let me know if you want me to and I'll repost it.

Why would he toggle on inner light? You just need it slotted for max magika and spell crit right?

Asardes · April 2017

It's better to have DoTs on the bar without inner light and slot another skill there because each tick is calculated according to your current bar so right after you change to your main bar, where you have inner light slotted, that skill will tick according to the increased maximum magicka value and benefit from the extra critical chance. You only lose out on your first tick which is applied from the back bar.

The Uninvited · April 2017

Asardes wrote: »

It's better to have DoTs on the bar without inner light and slot another skill there because each tick is calculated according to your current bar so right after you change to your main bar, where you have inner light slotted, that skill will tick according to the increased maximum magicka value and benefit from the extra critical chance. You only lose out on your first tick which is applied from the back bar.

Thank you very much for this information, didn't know that at all.

*changes back bar*

Splattercat_83 · April 2017

ATEK302 wrote: »

Splattercat_83 wrote: »

Thoosa wrote: »

Hi,

So my stats are: max magicka: 30794, spell damage 3330 (I think buffed) and 48% spell critical. I'm wearing julianos and willpower.

I was in Crypt Of Hearts 2 and someone said that the dps was low and it was, it also seemed for me to be taking longer for me to down mobs. The other players were all 500+ cp (higher than me at 427) and that seemed weird to me, that higher players had low dps.

Does group level dps also effect my own dps when I'm fighting a mob?

All previous runs where I've been with other people have been fine and I've killed at what I think is a normal speed.

Thanks!

As said before leave inner light toggled on, and work on a rotation. Never hard cast a Crystal frag, make sure you have the instant cast proced when you use it.

Here is a video of me practicing my rotation.
[media]https://youtu.be/17EmdljK9fo[/media]

If need be I'll slow down the video so you can see the rotation better. Just let me know if you want me to and I'll repost it.

Why would he toggle on inner light? You just need it slotted for max magika and spell crit right?

My apologies, I meant bound aegis. Inner light is just slotted for max magic. I run spell damage/crit pots so when I pop a potion my crit is the same on both bars regardless of inner light.

Bobby_V_Rockit · April 2017

What about numbers in brackets?