Morrowind: now is a chance to show up a dragon!

Milvan · March 2017

Hello comrades.

As the Atlas of Dragons (2E 373 by Brother Mathnan, prior ESO events) states:

"(...)
Known to Live
Ahbiilok - Sightings dating back to the early years of the Dragonguard throughout the northern Jerralls. Multiple attempts to kill him have failed. He is believed to be lairing somewhere in Morrowind.
(...)"

And Twin Secrets (4E 5~, by Brarilu Theran) also confirms that there is a dragon in Morrowind:

"In my life, I've traveled widely. I've seen Summerset Isle, communed with Psijiics, walked the shores of Akavir. I had hoped to see lost Atmora before I passed, that is not to be. I have even done the unthinkable. I have spoken to a dragon.

Dragons are said to be gone from the world. Yet I found one. Sheltered in the smoking ruins of Vvardenfell, I came upon it. My magic proved to be sufficient to defeat the beast. If that gives you cause to wonder, I will not deny that I was once a pyromancer of great skill.

Exhausted and near the end of my spells, I parlayed with the wyrm, offering it life if it would share it's secrets. Haughty to the end, it agreed to one secret for one life. I asked for it's [sic] name, but it told me it would rather die than surrender that. Instead if [sic] offered me something else. And that it [sic] how I learned how to defy the Law of Firsts.

So, since having dragons on ESO is completely lorewise , (check the both aforemetioned books and many others), I think that Morrowind is a excelent opportunity to show up a mighty dragon and giving us a epic fight with one of Alduin's soldier.

EDIT: Indeed, we don't need to fight it, even tho we fight it we don't need to kill it. Since the author of Twin Secrets himself bargained with the dragon, maybe the Ahbiilok likes to bargains his life for secrets as happened with Brarilu Theran. He is a survivor after all since he made out of Dragon War and the Akaviri crusades of the First Era. A petty dragon that sell secrets of his kind in order to be kept alive. That would be a great plot.

The Dragonguard is still out there, fighting for the empire (I believe) and waiting for the next Dragonborn, they tried to kill Ahbiilok before, would they just stop trying?

Callous2208 · March 2017

Milvan wrote: »

Hello comrades.

As the Atlas of Dragons (2E 373 by Brother Mathnan, prior ESO events) states:

"(...)
Known to Live
Ahbiilok - Sightings dating back to the early years of the Dragonguard throughout the northern Jerralls. Multiple attempts to kill him have failed. He is believed to be lairing somewhere in Morrowind.
(...)"

And Twin Secrets (4E 5~, by Brarilu Theran) also confirms that there is a dragon in Morrowind:

"In my life, I've traveled widely. I've seen Summerset Isle, communed with Psijiics, walked the shores of Akavir. I had hoped to see lost Atmora before I passed, that is not to be. I have even done the unthinkable. I have spoken to a dragon.

Dragons are said to be gone from the world. Yet I found one. Sheltered in the smoking ruins of Vvardenfell, I came upon it. My magic proved to be sufficient to defeat the beast. If that gives you cause to wonder, I will not deny that I was once a pyromancer of great skill.

Exhausted and near the end of my spells, I parlayed with the wyrm, offering it life if it would share it's secrets. Haughty to the end, it agreed to one secret for one life. I asked for it's [sic] name, but it told me it would rather die than surrender that. Instead if [sic] offered me something else. And that it [sic] how I learned how to defy the Law of Firsts.

So, since having dragons on ESO is completely lorewise , (check the both aforemetioned books and many others), I think that Morrowind is a excelent opportunity to show up a mighty dragon and giving us a epic fight with one of Alduin's soldier.

I disagree. What would be the point of all of us going to fight a mighty dragon? How would lore handle the death of said named dragon going forward? Dragons are minding their own business in this era. I believe the second book you referenced is from 4E, holding no relevance here. I am not necessarily opposed to some type of dragon interaction in this game, but not fighting them. That was Skyrims thing.

Aliyavana · March 2017

Milvan wrote: »

Hello comrades.

As the Atlas of Dragons (2E 373 by Brother Mathnan, prior ESO events) states:

"(...)
Known to Live
Ahbiilok - Sightings dating back to the early years of the Dragonguard throughout the northern Jerralls. Multiple attempts to kill him have failed. He is believed to be lairing somewhere in Morrowind.
(...)"

And Twin Secrets (4E 5~, by Brarilu Theran) also confirms that there is a dragon in Morrowind:

"In my life, I've traveled widely. I've seen Summerset Isle, communed with Psijiics, walked the shores of Akavir. I had hoped to see lost Atmora before I passed, that is not to be. I have even done the unthinkable. I have spoken to a dragon.

Dragons are said to be gone from the world. Yet I found one. Sheltered in the smoking ruins of Vvardenfell, I came upon it. My magic proved to be sufficient to defeat the beast. If that gives you cause to wonder, I will not deny that I was once a pyromancer of great skill.

Exhausted and near the end of my spells, I parlayed with the wyrm, offering it life if it would share it's secrets. Haughty to the end, it agreed to one secret for one life. I asked for it's [sic] name, but it told me it would rather die than surrender that. Instead if [sic] offered me something else. And that it [sic] how I learned how to defy the Law of Firsts.

So, since having dragons on ESO is completely lorewise , (check the both aforemetioned books and many others), I think that Morrowind is a excelent opportunity to show up a mighty dragon and giving us a epic fight with one of Alduin's soldier.

Daedric titans are dragons transformed, I wouldn't mind 1 dragon battle as a trial boss but limited to only 1 as dragons were rare af

WhiteCoatSyndrome · March 2017

I don't object to a lore-friendly dragon appearance, but I think having one show up in Vvardenfell would be more a distraction than anything: we already have the Tribunal and Red Mountain to focus on. And inter-House politics. And the Morag Tong. And...you get the idea.

Tommy_The_Gun · March 2017

http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Morrowind:M'Aiq_the_Liar

M'Aiq the Liar from TES III: Morrowind:
"dragons: "Dragons? Oh, they're everywhere! You must fly very high to see most of them, though. The ones nearer the ground are very hard to see, being invisible."

Publius_Scipio · March 2017

Anything is possible in ESO to a degree because ESO is taking place during the interregnum where much of the lore and what took place disappeared from historical records. But I doubt we will see a Skyrimesque dragon in ESO.

I did learn (a while back) through the forums here though that the daedric titans are dragons that Molag Bal corrupted and brought under his control.

Publius_Scipio · March 2017

Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »

http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Morrowind:M'Aiq_the_Liar

M'Aiq the Liar from TES III: Morrowind:
"dragons: "Dragons? Oh, they're everywhere! You must fly very high to see most of them, though. The ones nearer the ground are very hard to see, being invisible."

Hate to break it to you Tommy. He lied to you.

Messy1 · March 2017

Okay I will "show up a dragon!"

wenchmore420b14_ESO · March 2017

No. Just plain NO!
1). The source you list...
ESO is 2E583....Atlas of Dragons, 2E 373 by Brother Mathnan was written 200 years before our time line.
I quote your source....
Grahkrindrog - Slain in 2E 184
Krahjotdaan - Slain in 1E 2871
Mirmulnir - Last sighted in the Reach in 2E 212.
The last dragon seen was 300 years before ESO, also, for better lore sources go to https://www.imperial-library.info/.
2) Your 2nd source ( Twin Secrets (4E 5~, by Brarilu Theran) also confirms that there is a dragon in Morrowind: ) is 900 years after the time frame of ESO and taking the author as fact is like saying "Beowulf" was a actual event.

Yes, dragons exist in this time period, but, NO, we WILL NOT SEE THEM. Period.
Also, Titans are the skeleton of Boziikkodstrun whom Molag Bal used to create the Daedric Titans we see in ESO and no live dragons were used to this purpose...
"Molag Bal then had the skeleton taken to the Vile Laboratory, where it was infused with the blood of darkness, reviving it as a soulless being. He then had the skeleton improved, forming a bone frame even mightier than its forebears. Once that was complete, Molag Bal had the skeleton plunged into the deepest pool in the Azure Chasm, to give the new creation its brains and brawn. After that, the first Daedric Titan rose from the chasm to serve its master.[1]

Firerock2 · March 2017

No

Milvan · March 2017

wenchmore420b14_ESO wrote: »

No. Just plain NO!
1). The source you list...
ESO is 2E583....Atlas of Dragons, 2E 373 by Brother Mathnan was written 200 years before our time line.
I quote your source....
Grahkrindrog - Slain in 2E 184
Krahjotdaan - Slain in 1E 2871
Mirmulnir - Last sighted in the Reach in 2E 212.
The last dragon seen was 300 years before ESO, also, for better lore sources go to https://www.imperial-library.info/.
2) Your 2nd source ( Twin Secrets (4E 5~, by Brarilu Theran) also confirms that there is a dragon in Morrowind: ) is 900 years after the time frame of ESO and taking the author as fact is like saying "Beowulf" was a actual event.

Yes, dragons exist in this time period, but, NO, we WILL NOT SEE THEM. Period.
Also, Titans are the skeleton of Boziikkodstrun whom Molag Bal used to create the Daedric Titans we see in ESO and no live dragons were used to this purpose...
"Molag Bal then had the skeleton taken to the Vile Laboratory, where it was infused with the blood of darkness, reviving it as a soulless being. He then had the skeleton improved, forming a bone frame even mightier than its forebears. Once that was complete, Molag Bal had the skeleton plunged into the deepest pool in the Azure Chasm, to give the new creation its brains and brawn. After that, the first Daedric Titan rose from the chasm to serve its master.[1]

I totally disagree with you concerning "WE WILL NOT SEE THEM". The Atlas of Dragons clearly states that there ar dragons that constantly interact with other races. The book takes place 200 years before ESO, which is merely a blink of eye for a dragon and the twin secrets books confirms that the same drabon inhabit the same place even tho after all those centuries. There is dragons, and they maintain relations with other races, some are reclusive but other get out there as stated.

geonsocal · March 2017

Milvan wrote: »

Hello comrades.

As the Atlas of Dragons (2E 373 by Brother Mathnan, prior ESO events) states:

"(...)
Known to Live
Ahbiilok - Sightings dating back to the early years of the Dragonguard throughout the northern Jerralls. Multiple attempts to kill him have failed. He is believed to be lairing somewhere in Morrowind.
(...)"

And Twin Secrets (4E 5~, by Brarilu Theran) also confirms that there is a dragon in Morrowind:

"In my life, I've traveled widely. I've seen Summerset Isle, communed with Psijiics, walked the shores of Akavir. I had hoped to see lost Atmora before I passed, that is not to be. I have even done the unthinkable. I have spoken to a dragon.

Dragons are said to be gone from the world. Yet I found one. Sheltered in the smoking ruins of Vvardenfell, I came upon it. My magic proved to be sufficient to defeat the beast. If that gives you cause to wonder, I will not deny that I was once a pyromancer of great skill.

Exhausted and near the end of my spells, I parlayed with the wyrm, offering it life if it would share it's secrets. Haughty to the end, it agreed to one secret for one life. I asked for it's [sic] name, but it told me it would rather die than surrender that. Instead if [sic] offered me something else. And that it [sic] how I learned how to defy the Law of Firsts.

So, since having dragons on ESO is completely lorewise , (check the both aforemetioned books and many others), I think that Morrowind is a excelent opportunity to show up a mighty dragon and giving us a epic fight with one of Alduin's soldier.

masterful use of known facts in your argument...

as much as it deeply pains me - I'm gonna have to agree with everything you said...yes, now is the time for the introduction of dragons (no soulless and ugly daedric jokes/titans) in to eso...

wenchmore420b14_ESO · March 2017

Milvan wrote: »

wenchmore420b14_ESO wrote: »

No. Just plain NO!
1). The source you list...
ESO is 2E583....Atlas of Dragons, 2E 373 by Brother Mathnan was written 200 years before our time line.
I quote your source....
Grahkrindrog - Slain in 2E 184
Krahjotdaan - Slain in 1E 2871
Mirmulnir - Last sighted in the Reach in 2E 212.
The last dragon seen was 300 years before ESO, also, for better lore sources go to https://www.imperial-library.info/.
2) Your 2nd source ( Twin Secrets (4E 5~, by Brarilu Theran) also confirms that there is a dragon in Morrowind: ) is 900 years after the time frame of ESO and taking the author as fact is like saying "Beowulf" was a actual event.

Yes, dragons exist in this time period, but, NO, we WILL NOT SEE THEM. Period.
Also, Titans are the skeleton of Boziikkodstrun whom Molag Bal used to create the Daedric Titans we see in ESO and no live dragons were used to this purpose...
"Molag Bal then had the skeleton taken to the Vile Laboratory, where it was infused with the blood of darkness, reviving it as a soulless being. He then had the skeleton improved, forming a bone frame even mightier than its forebears. Once that was complete, Molag Bal had the skeleton plunged into the deepest pool in the Azure Chasm, to give the new creation its brains and brawn. After that, the first Daedric Titan rose from the chasm to serve its master.[1]

I totally disagree with you concerning "WE WILL NOT SEE THEM". The Atlas of Dragons clearly states that there ar dragons that constantly interact with other races. The book takes place 200 years before ESO, which is merely a blink of eye for a dragon and the twin secrets books confirms that the same drabon inhabit the same place even tho after all those centuries. There is dragons, and they maintain relations with other races, some are reclusive but other get out there as stated.

Actually, the actual book does not state this. It records the following:
Deceased by Report
Slain by the Dragonguard
Known to Live

The Whole text of the book can be seen here:

dragon Histories & Biographies Skyrim
Author: Brother Mathnan
Herein is recorded the list of known dragons, both living and dead, including those slain by the Dragonguard since the time of its founding, as well as those slain in earlier ages, where they can be identified. Unfortunately, only a few of the dragons slain by our Akaviri predecessors during the Crusade were recorded and thus this list is sadly incomplete.

Deceased by Report

Nahagliiv - Local tales name him as the dragon buried in the mound west of Rorikstead. No date associated with his death, although almost surely dates to the Dragon War era.

Odahviing - Records dating to the Crusade of interrogation of captured Dragon Cultists indicate that this dragon was buried in a mound in the southeast of Skyrim, near Riften.

Sahloknir - Local legends claim this is the dragon buried in the mound near Kyne's Grove, slain by the Nord hero Jorg Helmbolg in the First Era.

Viinturuth - Death dating back to Dragon War era, according to documents recovered from Dragon Cult temples which record his burial near Lake Yorgrim.

Vuljotnaak - Death dating back to Dragon War or just after, according to recovered Dragon Cult documents, which record his burial in a mound near Granite Hill.

Slain by the Dragonguard

Grahkrindrog - Slain in 2E 184 after perpetrating great slaughter in Winterhold and Eastmarch. Name confirmed with assistance from the College mages.

Krahjotdaan - Slain in 1E 2871 in the southern Jerall Mountains, name confirmed by the dragon's own account.

Unnamed Dragons - Numbering 12, as recorded in the Annals dating back to the founding of Sky Haven Temple.

Known to Live

Ahbiilok - Sightings dating back to the early years of the Dragonguard throughout the northern Jerralls. Multiple attempts to kill him have failed. He is believed to be lairing somewhere in Morrowind.

Mirmulnir - Last sighted in the Reach in 2E 212.

Nahfahlaar - Repeated alliances with mortal protectors which have prevented his elimination. His last known protector was the King Casimir II of Wayrest, which the Dragonguard successfully ended in 2E 369. He escaped and current location is unknown.

Paarthurnax - The legendary lieutenant of Alduin in the Dragon War. He is now known to lair on the Throat of the World under the protection of the Greybeards of High Hrothgar. Master Araidh continues the established policy of avoiding direct confrontation with the Greybeards while waiting for an opportunity to exact justice upon him.

I agree, dragons exist in this time period, but they are hidden, and rare, and have no interaction with man or mer, and will not be seen till around 2E869 with Tiber Septim, and that is only 1 dragon. Then we will have to wait till 4E201 to see another one emerge.

Shad0wfire99 · March 2017

I've said it before, and I'll say it again. People are gonna hate how TES6 isn't Skyrim 2.

Milvan · March 2017

Callous2208 wrote: »

I disagree. What would be the point of all of us going to fight a mighty dragon? How would lore handle the death of said named dragon going forward? Dragons are minding their own business in this era. I believe the second book you referenced is from 4E, holding no relevance here. I am not necessarily opposed to some type of dragon interaction in this game, but not fighting them. That was Skyrims thing.

and

WhiteCoatSyndrome wrote: »

I don't object to a lore-friendly dragon appearance, but I think having one show up in Vvardenfell would be more a distraction than anything: we already have the Tribunal and Red Mountain to focus on. And inter-House politics. And the Morag Tong. And...you get the idea.

Indeed, we don't need to fight it, even tho we fight it we don't need to kill it. Since the author of Twin Secrets himself bargained with the dragon, maybe the Ahbiilok likes to bargains his life for secrets as happened with Brarilu Theran. He is a survivor after all since he made out of Dragon War and the Akaviri crusades of the First Era. A petty dragon that sell secrets of his kind in order to be kept alive. That would be a great plot.

The Dragonguard is still out there, fighting for the empire (I believe) and waiting for the next Dragonborn, they tried to kill Ahbiilok before, would they just stop trying?

Zardayne · March 2017

Zenimax shot itself in the foot when it chose an age that removed dragons from play...

Milvan · March 2017

wenchmore420b14_ESO wrote: »

I agree, dragons exist in this time period, but they are hidden, and rare, and have no interaction with man or mer, and will not be seen till around 2E869 with Tiber Septim, and that is only 1 dragon. Then we will have to wait till 4E201 to see another one emerge.

Dragons maintain relations with other races eventually like Nahfahlaar (allied with King Casimir II of Wayrest and others), Nafaalilargus (allied with Tiber Septim) and Pathurnaax - himself have his greybeards pets. ZOS can make it happen, and lorewisely if they want to. They have the pen and the paper, they just have to put their storytellers to work.

SydneyGrey · March 2017

Awesome.

Anyone who doesn't read this thread would be screaming it's not lore-friendly, though. LOL.

However, I think it would be great to have one dragon, restricted to one multi-player area.

Dark_Claw · March 2017

What's with the dragon obsession? They were an annoyance in Skyrim and I'm personally happy to see the back of them.

Zardayne · March 2017

Dark_Claw wrote: »

What's with the dragon obsession? They were an annoyance in Skyrim and I'm personally happy to see the back of them.

They are go with fantasy worlds like jelly to peanut butter. I can only stand to encounter the same ole daedra models so many times before it gets old. We need more epic mobs in this game.

Aliyavana · March 2017

Zardayne wrote: »

Zenimax shot itself in the foot when it chose an age that removed dragons from play...

Daedric titans are close enough

Browiseth · March 2017

no one cares

please shut up about dragons eso players we get it you played skyrim we all did haven't we had enough shameless fanservice

Cêltic421 · March 2017

Maybe there will be a trial and we could have a big Titan fight as a final boss, even bigger than the Titan boss from the Anchors. Titan are close enough to me as a dragon in ESO. But I am a big dragon fan. Loved all the dragon raids in EQ2 was so fun. And dragons in Skyrim. I woulnt be opposed of a dragon in this game but not many. And as someone mentioned we don't have to kill it, he barter for his life like he did with the pryomancer.

Milvan · March 2017

Browiseth wrote: »

no one cares

please shut up about dragons eso players we get it you played skyrim we all did haven't we had enough shameless fanservice

Narvuntien · March 2017

I would think that if we were to fight a dragon it will not be until we get to western skyrim and the reach, There the skyhaven temple is likely still in operation, if the reachmen didn't drive out the dragonguard yet... it certainly isn't lost yet.

Interesting, the source seems to say that the dragon is in the jerral mountains and not on the island of vvadenfell (until it is in ruins). So I am not expecting to see a dragon yet.

ArchMikem · March 2017

Alright.

I used to be a staunch supporter of the "Wrong timeline, no Dragons" camp, but if there's Lore backing this up, I'm not going to oppose that. If the Lore says it is so, then it can be so.

Koensol · March 2017

What is it with people and dragons? Seriously what's the deal lol? You'd think after Skyrim people would have had their fix. I cannot see why they are so much more awsome than other monsters in Tamriel.

wenchmore420b14_ESO · March 2017

Milvan wrote: »

wenchmore420b14_ESO wrote: »

I agree, dragons exist in this time period, but they are hidden, and rare, and have no interaction with man or mer, and will not be seen till around 2E869 with Tiber Septim, and that is only 1 dragon. Then we will have to wait till 4E201 to see another one emerge.

Dragons maintain relations with other races eventually like Nahfahlaar (allied with King Casimir II of Wayrest and others), Nafaalilargus (allied with Tiber Septim) and Pathurnaax - himself have his greybeards pets. ZOS can make it happen, and lorewisely if they want to. They have the pen and the paper, they just have to put their storytellers to work.

The examples you show are the same thing I said, as Nahfahlaar does not show up for over 300 years from now (ESO time line). I agree they are around, but maintain that they have no place in this era of the game.

Zardayne wrote: »

Zenimax shot itself in the foot when it chose an age that removed dragons from play...

Not sure what you mean by this.
Out of 10 TES games,, dragons are only in 2, Redguard and Skyrim.
And it seems that only the "Skyrim" generation are always the ones that ask for dragons.
Now, Lore aside, ZoS has already explained that the mechanics of the coding of ESO is a horizontal based code and not able to accommodate vertical mechanics such as flying, flying mounts or diving underwater. (See ESO-Live Episode 17, 05/08/2015). So no to dragon mounts also.

Knootewoot · March 2017

wenchmore420b14_ESO wrote: »

Milvan wrote: »

wenchmore420b14_ESO wrote: »

I agree, dragons exist in this time period, but they are hidden, and rare, and have no interaction with man or mer, and will not be seen till around 2E869 with Tiber Septim, and that is only 1 dragon. Then we will have to wait till 4E201 to see another one emerge.

Dragons maintain relations with other races eventually like Nahfahlaar (allied with King Casimir II of Wayrest and others), Nafaalilargus (allied with Tiber Septim) and Pathurnaax - himself have his greybeards pets. ZOS can make it happen, and lorewisely if they want to. They have the pen and the paper, they just have to put their storytellers to work.

The examples you show are the same thing I said, as Nahfahlaar does not show up for over 300 years from now (ESO time line). I agree they are around, but maintain that they have no place in this era of the game.

Zardayne wrote: »

Zenimax shot itself in the foot when it chose an age that removed dragons from play...

Not sure what you mean by this.
Out of 10 TES games,, dragons are only in 2, Redguard and Skyrim.
And it seems that only the "Skyrim" generation are always the ones that ask for dragons.
Now, Lore aside, ZoS has already explained that the mechanics of the coding of ESO is a horizontal based code and not able to accommodate vertical mechanics such as flying, flying mounts or diving underwater. (See ESO-Live Episode 17, 05/08/2015). So no to dragon mounts also.

Well, just like Cliff Racers they just made Cliff Striders.

So instead of Dragons we could have wingless Dragons or Dragon Striders who didn't evolve how to fly yet. OMG lore, pff . Lore is already stretched to thin.

wenchmore420b14_ESO · March 2017

Narvuntien wrote: »

I would think that if we were to fight a dragon it will not be until we get to western skyrim and the reach, There the skyhaven temple is likely still in operation, if the reachmen didn't drive out the dragonguard yet... it certainly isn't lost yet.

Interesting, the source seems to say that the dragon is in the jerral mountains and not on the island of vvadenfell (until it is in ruins). So I am not expecting to see a dragon yet.

During the period of ESO, the Sky Haven Temple is probably already in ruins.
The citizens of Winterhold began the seige of Sky Haven in 1E 805, and continued till when Reman II was crowned in 1E 812.
The Temple was then sealed in the year 1E 818, so only a "Dragonborn" could enter, and is said to have fell into a state of despair afterwards.

souravami · March 2017

Is Rakkhat a daedric titan or a grievous twilight?