cmetzger93 wrote: »

We were going Vet CoH1 and we're on the last boss and a DPS Templar cp100 was not having the DPS to kill the adds so I kicked him and he sent me many hateful messages and I told him how bad I felt because he was there up until the very last boss when we kept wiping. I feel bad but we eventually succeeded after kicking him. Has this ever happened to you guys?

Ummm... yeah, that makes you a bad person.

You "let" that player help be a part of a "team" though the ENTIRE DUNGEON, then booted him before the big payoff at the end.

Maybe instead of kicking him/her after hey put in all that work (because for that little CP100, that was probably the farthest they had ever been in a dungeon...), after one of the wipes, give them some tips in order to help them tweak the build enough to get you through (literally) the last Boss?

But you didn't think of that...

Nope.

You let that player sweat it out with the rest of you until the final boss, then robbed him of loot that they would have rightly earned from the Boss kill.

That doesn't just make you a bad person, that makes you a selfish little ***-head.

BTW; I'm making notes so that I can block you from every platform I have this game on, so I don't EVER have to worry about teaming up with you or anyone else in your group.

That was just wrong to do to somebody. IMO, you deserve all the hate-mail you received.

Sounds like you're just invested in yourself... What effort if any was made to make him better? My guess is pretty much none.

If you have to ask, you probably are.

Yes. If you kick someone from a group for performance reasons, then you are a bad person. There are valid reasons to kick someone from a group, i.e. they are being abusive or have gone offline, but "Sorry, you aren't measuring up" isn't one of them.

kyle.wilson wrote: »

That is one of those questions that have only one answer.

Yes, you are a bad person. A good person would never consider needing to ask that question.

Actually, it's the complete opposite. Bad people never consider asking themselves the question. The only way to be a good person is to be concerned whether or not you're a good person.

OP shows he's clearly concerned about whether or not he did wrong. Even if he was being a bad person, he's at least taking steps to be better. That's the essence of being a good person. Personally, I admire him for publicly questioning himself like that.

bulbousb16_ESO wrote: »

Yes. If you kick someone from a group for performance reasons, then you are a bad person. There are valid reasons to kick someone from a group, i.e. they are being abusive or have gone offline, but "Sorry, you aren't measuring up" isn't one of them.

Um...not sure if seriouds or not, but what'd you suggest doing if you were in a vet dungeon and the team kept failing because of one member not performing the role they queued for well enough? It doesn't even really matter if that was so much a case in OP's scenario, but you made such a generic statement I feel a need to comment on it.

Let's say you're on Planar Inhibitor boss in vWGT, which is generally not a very hard dungeon at this point. And you're wiping and wiping and wiping because one of you doesn't close the portals. You remind them to focus portals and not boss but they don't appear to listen/understand/be able to kill them in time(which requires like 5k dps, mind you; my tank can do it in tank gear by spamming jesusbeam so it's absolutely doable with most any build). There's literally NOTHING you can do to help the situation at this point because if they get portals, no one else can close them(well til both is low enough, then 2 people get them), and if none are closed they'll spawn enough ads and ogrims it's going to be nigh impossible to recover. You do your best, and the other 2 people do their best too but that guy keeps getting portals and ignoring them and there's simply nothing you can do to prevent wipes at this point.

What would you do in that situation, @bulbousb16_ESO ?
To tell the truth last time we got it I kept wiping with them til everyone else quit in frustration because it was obvious we'd never make it. Pre-last the person underperforming left himself(without as much as a bye too) after a few unsuccessful tries, got him replaced and breezed through it. Pre-pre-last it was getting late and after like 5 wipes I called it a day, said "sorry guys, I really don't think we can make it, will have to call it" and left myself.
But in the end of the day, it was a waste of time in all 3 of those cases, and while I sacrificed my time in order to stay nice there, I don't for a second think bad of someone who wouldn't want to do it.

Although re-reading OP's message, he should have probably talked it over with the guy first, see if he could give him any tips to improve his dps and if that'd work - if nothing else, to have his conscience clear. Still though, there's nothing wrong with kicking a person if him underperforming in the role he chose is causing whole group to fail.

On side note, big LOL to everyone telling OP he's a bad guy for asking if he is one. Like someone already said, a bad person would never question the righteousness of his actions, it's only the good people that keep pondering over it. I mean obviously "good" and "bad" are debatable, but if someone is wondering whether or not what he did was right or he should make amends for it/learn not to repeat it next time, at the very least he's trying to be a good person then.

Seems like the other two people felt the same way so your not alone.

There is no DPS race on the final boss of COH2. Why did you have the weaker dps fight the adds. If DPS is low, both DPS kill adds until boss reaches 40% or so then tank the next 4 adds and dps knocks boss down to 35%, he grabs sword and your good to go.

Did someone explain to block the skulls, stay out of lich crystals and every time Nerineth ports, you move away cause he does huge aoe?

If he was dying over and over for not moving out of red, then that's one thing, but low DPS isn't a reason to fail that fight.

Especially since you beat the other 3 bosses, all of which are equally tough.

You're not a bad person for anything you do and/or say to someone over ESO.

Um the end boss doesn't need a tank at all before grabbing sword, tank should be kiting adds, everything the boss does can very easily be dodged.

You should not be kicking anybody.