Why so much complaining?

ForsakenSin · March 2017

@Cloudless

Cloudless wrote: »

ForsakenSin wrote: »

@Indigochild3rdi
" I've only been playing since February but I don't have a single complaint. "

well there is your problem ....

Aaaa young padawan give it a year and after the following get back to me

Been playing since April 2015. Still no complaints. So yeah, it's really just that some people love to nag instead of having a good time.

ohh buddy buddy ....

Cloudless wrote: »

The way I see PvP: "let me die pointlessly dozens of times over some full-proc-set-wearing ganker with a silly name and a bright pink armor just so I can get Vigor and Caltrops".

Cloudless wrote: »

Bump. @ZOS_GinaBruno please let us at least know if you're aware of this bug and there are any plans to fix it in the near future.

Cloudless wrote: »

Not only it lasts 10 seconds, but it seems to show properly only for the one who uses the memento - everyone else just sees a swirly green aura around the character, with branches coming out of his/her legs and shoulders. No barkskin, no green glowing eyes. @ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom, you guys aware of this bugs?
(might be a good idea to move this topic in the Bugs section, just in case)

Sorry to burst your bubble but all of those can be classified as complaints ....

Keep_Door · March 2017

Because people like this game. If no one cared no one would complain .

Demycilian · March 2017

raidentenshu_ESO wrote: »

Indigochild3rdi wrote: »

I'm not trying to come off as rude but why is there so much hate towards ZOS? If you know the crates are a hit or miss why risk it And Complain about not getting a mount? If you're upset because your subscription doesn't seem beneficial enough don't subscribe. If you think the warden sucks before it's even released and you can experience it don't play a warden. I just see so much hate and trash talk about ZOS I just don't understand. They created a beautiful game rich in lore with so much content it can be overwhelming sometimes. If you have so much negativity about the game why play it at all? I've only been playing since February but I don't have a single complaint. Granted I mostly play PVE so I don't have experience in any PVP related issues but as someone who's been playing video games since he was a child this is one of my favorites to date. I just think ZOS should get more credit. Also this isn't a personal attack on anyone who's ever complained about the game. I just personally don't understand all the hatred.

You obviously haven't played ESO long enough to create your own opinions.

I can't speak for others but I will speak for myself.

I complain so that I can use my frustrations to try to get ZOS to change things in the game that is more appropriate.

I complain because I'm sick of tired of spending most of my time in ESO grinding and farming for impossible obtainable gear that will help my overall DPS status. I should be having fun in a game that I paid a lot of money on. So far that doesn't seem to be an option anymore because this game is so DPS # and strict BIS gear (Non craftable) orientated.

I have a love hate relationship with ZOS because I feel that their milking us Elder scrolls fans out of our money for low quality items in the crown store. ZOS has reached an all time low by introducing us to the crown crates. They've turned this game into an online casino where RNG seems to be a large part of the game now, including crowns!

ZOS has ripped us off so much that it is their own fault that players hate them. It gets to the point where the players recovers from the stockholm syndrome, and take action.

For starters... mounts... Afraid of water! WTF! Why is my expensive mount that I paid real life money on so terrible of water? Why is that? Why can't I have my mount swim in the water like I can do back in Skyrim? Also why can't I get infected by a wild werewolf/ and or vampire without having to beg for a bite in guilds and in zones? People been scammed by other players who offered a bite for gold, and didn't provide the service. You know why? ZOS doesn't give a crap about Elder scrolls lore! Check the Crown store.... Offering a vampire/werewolf bite for 1,000 crowns! They made it so difficult to the point where people cave in, and use RL for a bite.

Oh and one last thing on why I no longer have respect for ZOS

Lead combat designer Eric Wrobel from ZOS encourages his players to exploit a broken combat mechanic (He should really admit that he doesn't know how to fix it) by using animation canceling to give you an extra boost of DPS.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ThZtwhYkKSs

To become a competitive player you must exploit the combat mechanic by using animation canceling otherwise your DPS will suck, and you won't be invited to any of the veteran trials, especially vMOL! You must use this exploitative technique to become competitive player.

Wow, that was attrocious. Glad I saw this. Sub canceled and no longer interested in Morrowind.

Urza1234 · March 2017

Indigochild3rdi wrote: »

Lol okay I guess I understand the frustration. I just don't get it. If something makes me mad enough I just stop play. Just wanted an inside look as to why y'all were so upset all the time. And huh? Rich? @Shad0wfire99

Some of us think that there should be an intermediate step between 'Find something that ruins your game experience' -> ? -> 'Stop playing'.

How can developers know -why- their players are quitting if their players never say anything?

If communicating your problems to the party responsible for those problems is so alien a concept to you, then honestly I think thats more of a problem with you than it is a problem with us.

DaveMoeDee · March 2017

jircris11 wrote: »

Indigochild3rdi wrote: »

That it's a rip off and a money pit because the chance of getting a mount are very slim. @Honghua the chances of winning the lottery are slim but people play all the time and don't blame the lottery companies lol

bought 30 bucks worth of crates got 4 mounts. so the odds are not as bad as you think.

Nor as good as you think. As one persons outcomes are not the odds.

Indigochild3rdi · March 2017

Who knew making a post bout complaints would trigger so many complaints.

Jemcrystal · March 2017

Demycilian wrote: »

raidentenshu_ESO wrote: »

Indigochild3rdi wrote: »

I'm not trying to come off as rude but why is there so much hate towards ZOS? If you know the crates are a hit or miss why risk it And Complain about not getting a mount? If you're upset because your subscription doesn't seem beneficial enough don't subscribe. If you think the warden sucks before it's even released and you can experience it don't play a warden. I just see so much hate and trash talk about ZOS I just don't understand. They created a beautiful game rich in lore with so much content it can be overwhelming sometimes. If you have so much negativity about the game why play it at all? I've only been playing since February but I don't have a single complaint. Granted I mostly play PVE so I don't have experience in any PVP related issues but as someone who's been playing video games since he was a child this is one of my favorites to date. I just think ZOS should get more credit. Also this isn't a personal attack on anyone who's ever complained about the game. I just personally don't understand all the hatred.

You obviously haven't played ESO long enough to create your own opinions.

I can't speak for others but I will speak for myself.

I complain so that I can use my frustrations to try to get ZOS to change things in the game that is more appropriate.

I complain because I'm sick of tired of spending most of my time in ESO grinding and farming for impossible obtainable gear that will help my overall DPS status. I should be having fun in a game that I paid a lot of money on. So far that doesn't seem to be an option anymore because this game is so DPS # and strict BIS gear (Non craftable) orientated.

I have a love hate relationship with ZOS because I feel that their milking us Elder scrolls fans out of our money for low quality items in the crown store. ZOS has reached an all time low by introducing us to the crown crates. They've turned this game into an online casino where RNG seems to be a large part of the game now, including crowns!

ZOS has ripped us off so much that it is their own fault that players hate them. It gets to the point where the players recovers from the stockholm syndrome, and take action.

For starters... mounts... Afraid of water! WTF! Why is my expensive mount that I paid real life money on so terrible of water? Why is that? Why can't I have my mount swim in the water like I can do back in Skyrim? Also why can't I get infected by a wild werewolf/ and or vampire without having to beg for a bite in guilds and in zones? People been scammed by other players who offered a bite for gold, and didn't provide the service. You know why? ZOS doesn't give a crap about Elder scrolls lore! Check the Crown store.... Offering a vampire/werewolf bite for 1,000 crowns! They made it so difficult to the point where people cave in, and use RL for a bite.

Oh and one last thing on why I no longer have respect for ZOS

Lead combat designer Eric Wrobel from ZOS encourages his players to exploit a broken combat mechanic (He should really admit that he doesn't know how to fix it) by using animation canceling to give you an extra boost of DPS.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ThZtwhYkKSs

To become a competitive player you must exploit the combat mechanic by using animation canceling otherwise your DPS will suck, and you won't be invited to any of the veteran trials, especially vMOL! You must use this exploitative technique to become competitive player.

Wow, that was attrocious. Glad I saw this. Sub canceled and no longer interested in Morrowind.

If you already paid for Vvardenfell how does "no longer interested" hurt zos? Or were you being sarcastic. It's spelled atrocious with one "t."

Demycilian · March 2017

Jemcrystal wrote: »

Demycilian wrote: »

raidentenshu_ESO wrote: »

Indigochild3rdi wrote: »

I'm not trying to come off as rude but why is there so much hate towards ZOS? If you know the crates are a hit or miss why risk it And Complain about not getting a mount? If you're upset because your subscription doesn't seem beneficial enough don't subscribe. If you think the warden sucks before it's even released and you can experience it don't play a warden. I just see so much hate and trash talk about ZOS I just don't understand. They created a beautiful game rich in lore with so much content it can be overwhelming sometimes. If you have so much negativity about the game why play it at all? I've only been playing since February but I don't have a single complaint. Granted I mostly play PVE so I don't have experience in any PVP related issues but as someone who's been playing video games since he was a child this is one of my favorites to date. I just think ZOS should get more credit. Also this isn't a personal attack on anyone who's ever complained about the game. I just personally don't understand all the hatred.

You obviously haven't played ESO long enough to create your own opinions.

I can't speak for others but I will speak for myself.

I complain so that I can use my frustrations to try to get ZOS to change things in the game that is more appropriate.

I complain because I'm sick of tired of spending most of my time in ESO grinding and farming for impossible obtainable gear that will help my overall DPS status. I should be having fun in a game that I paid a lot of money on. So far that doesn't seem to be an option anymore because this game is so DPS # and strict BIS gear (Non craftable) orientated.

I have a love hate relationship with ZOS because I feel that their milking us Elder scrolls fans out of our money for low quality items in the crown store. ZOS has reached an all time low by introducing us to the crown crates. They've turned this game into an online casino where RNG seems to be a large part of the game now, including crowns!

ZOS has ripped us off so much that it is their own fault that players hate them. It gets to the point where the players recovers from the stockholm syndrome, and take action.

For starters... mounts... Afraid of water! WTF! Why is my expensive mount that I paid real life money on so terrible of water? Why is that? Why can't I have my mount swim in the water like I can do back in Skyrim? Also why can't I get infected by a wild werewolf/ and or vampire without having to beg for a bite in guilds and in zones? People been scammed by other players who offered a bite for gold, and didn't provide the service. You know why? ZOS doesn't give a crap about Elder scrolls lore! Check the Crown store.... Offering a vampire/werewolf bite for 1,000 crowns! They made it so difficult to the point where people cave in, and use RL for a bite.

Oh and one last thing on why I no longer have respect for ZOS

Lead combat designer Eric Wrobel from ZOS encourages his players to exploit a broken combat mechanic (He should really admit that he doesn't know how to fix it) by using animation canceling to give you an extra boost of DPS.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ThZtwhYkKSs

To become a competitive player you must exploit the combat mechanic by using animation canceling otherwise your DPS will suck, and you won't be invited to any of the veteran trials, especially vMOL! You must use this exploitative technique to become competitive player.

Wow, that was attrocious. Glad I saw this. Sub canceled and no longer interested in Morrowind.

If you already paid for Vvardenfell how does "no longer interested" hurt zos? Or were you being sarcastic. It's spelled atrocious with one "t."

Did I? Wouldnt know i did. Or, well, at least i wont be paying them twice? :P Thanks for correcting my spelling. English isnt my first language, so that's greatly appreciated. I will remember it, tho, should some Square Enix person commit a blunder of the same proportion as this one Eric Wrobel.

Cheers

DragonBound · March 2017

There is a big difference between being entitled and complaining and constructive criticism you clearly see both in the forums so stop pretending you do not see the constructive criticisms, half of you are being hypocritical by complaining about people doing it in the first place.

Cathexis · March 2017

Indigochild3rdi wrote: »

I'm not trying to come off as rude but why is there so much hate towards ZOS? If you know the crates are a hit or miss why risk it And Complain about not getting a mount? If you're upset because your subscription doesn't seem beneficial enough don't subscribe. If you think the warden sucks before it's even released and you can experience it don't play a warden. I just see so much hate and trash talk about ZOS I just don't understand. They created a beautiful game rich in lore with so much content it can be overwhelming sometimes. If you have so much negativity about the game why play it at all? I've only been playing since February but I don't have a single complaint. Granted I mostly play PVE so I don't have experience in any PVP related issues but as someone who's been playing video games since he was a child this is one of my favorites to date. I just think ZOS should get more credit. Also this isn't a personal attack on anyone who's ever complained about the game. I just personally don't understand all the hatred.

I agree too much hate, I've tried to not hate on them hard in the forums as much lately, they have a difficult job, and who am I to criticize right? I think though when you are a player in mmos especially in pvp you get really frustrated when there is a serious imbalance or problem, and it compounds when it doesn't get addressed, or it gets addressed and the situation just becomes worse. Often I find my forum posts start as feedback and end up rants just by nature of the whole thing. With this game too in particular a lot of veteran pvp'ers feel like its been a rough and slow journey to get to where we are even just right now. The work they do put into the game is in a lot of ways often very awesome, but people often by nature focus on the negative when it becomes an issue they have to deal with all the time.

HatchetHaro · March 2017

Because we're tired of ZOS's ***. We still like the game; that's why we're still here. We just don't like certain aspects of it and also dislike where ZOS is currently taking the game.

Pops_ND_Irish · March 2017

I knew I saw one ....

Cloudless · March 2017

ForsakenSin wrote: »

Sorry to burst your bubble but all of those can be classified as complaints ....

Actually, one was a personal opinion and the other two were bug reports. But hey, nice try, may I suggest digging deeper and finding a post I wrote months ago about how monster sets force everyone to look crappy in the name of efficiency? That might have worked better in proving your point.

Let's clarify: constructive criticism and bug reporting /= calling ZOS "ZO$" just because the cool kids do it, or flaming over every change, or opening threads to which the only appropriate reply is asking if you can have the OP's stuff. My personal opinion, of course, feel free to disagree.

Maff · March 2017

Cambruin wrote: »

Maff wrote: »

It's just unfortunate ZOS has a bad track record of paying attention to the players which is exactly why there is so much "hate" towards them.

ZOS could do this too but they won't so the forums will always be full of unhappy customers.

Can you think of any MMO that recovered from a horrible launch as succesfully as ESO? While I personally feel this has grown into the best MMO I have played in many many years, I can understand some of the complaints., but claiming they do not listen to the playerbase??

Do you know of many developers going to Reddit to communicate with their community? Devs of live MMOs btw, so no, Marc Jacobs or Richard Gariott do not apply. How many devs actively support streamers? How many devs bother with AMAs, dev videos, ... Trust me, when comparing ZeniMax to many other dev studios out there, they're doing more than fine.
Don't mistake "not applying the changes requested" for "not listening" btw.

Many complaints come from people who are in a bad state of mind at the time of posting. Like I was a few days ago when maintenance took place yet again on my day off. I couldn't play for several days, looked forward to my day off and there we go; maintenance. Needles to say I was pretty p*** off. But it was silly of me to take my frustration to the forums as obviously maintenances are a necessity (still not sure about the length and frequency though )

So please, if you have constructive feedback, share it. Back it up with some stats and figures, but throwing something as easy as 'not listening' out there when there's so much proof of the opposite? That's not very constructive at all and eventually you'll learn it's not very good for your state of mind neither.

Can you think of any product outside of gaming where broken features are reported numerous times but never fixed? When did that become acceptable?
Let's take the gap closer load screens for example, it's been broken for a long time, it's known by everyone and people have always complained about it. Has ZOS fixed it? No. The complaints have been ignored.
I'm sure MMO's are difficult to work on but so are computer operating systems, so are cars, so are many things. Doesn't excuse them for not fixing problems. If ZOS are listening and just refusing to use the resources to fix these problems then that's even worse.
I used to be happy to throw money at the crown store and be a sub because I thought they would use that money to fix the problems. Hasn't happened. They used that money to make more stuff they can sell us. The majority told them we wanted fixes, we were ignored.

Absalon · March 2017

ZOS should worry when people stop complaining.

JinMori · March 2017

Absalon wrote: »

ZOS should worry when people stop complaining.

It means the game is dead.

zuto40 · March 2017

Day 1956: The bugs are still here, they get more numerous every patch I don't know how much longer I can go on

Pops_ND_Irish · March 2017

zuto40 wrote: »

Day 1956: The bugs are still here, they get more numerous every patch I don't know how much longer I can go on

You should stop now.
Send mats and gold

Banana · March 2017

I like to complain and this game is never short of things to complain about.

ralvdlindenpeb18_ESO · March 2017

I love the game and the only problem i have with it is that its too hard for me ..but thats all

notimetocare · March 2017

raidentenshu_ESO wrote: »

JinMori wrote: »

Because the forums are made exactly for this reason.
Also getting really tired of animation cancelling=exploit.
L2p issue. Combat in this game would be boring if it wasn't for animation cancelling.
To remove it they would have to completely re work the game, which will not happen, and it would also be stupid, since it would make the game more boring.

Too bad. I'm going to keep bringing it up. Animation cancelling is an exploit of a broken coding that ZOS can't seem to fix. It's not a skill nor is it a L2P issue. In fact players using it has an L2P issue themselves because they can't achieve high DPS from playing the game the proper way Perhaps you should learn how to play the game properly without breaking the animation sequence to achieve higher DPS.

Wrong, it is a side effect of intended prefernce in action. I guarantee you have used block to cancel an animation so you didnt die to mechanics. That or you do little more than questing.The ability to cancel skill animations is about making sure combat is responsibe. When it was found out how much you can do with it, they stopped seeing it as a problem and tye intelligent player based accepted/learned to use it