I agre with you op, the greater percentage of posts made on any game forum are ridiculous whining, people say "we do it cos we love the game and want to see positive change" or more often "fix this or I'm gunna un-sub/quit".....yet, only a very low percentage of posts provide constructive or detailed technical information that game devs could actually use to troubleshoot and fix the issues folk (or the game) has!
Kinda makes me think a greater percentage of posters don't know what the f they are actually posting about!

Indigochild3rdi wrote: »

I'm not trying to come off as rude but why is there so much hate towards ZOS? If you know the crates are a hit or miss why risk it And Complain about not getting a mount? If you're upset because your subscription doesn't seem beneficial enough don't subscribe. If you think the warden sucks before it's even released and you can experience it don't play a warden. I just see so much hate and trash talk about ZOS I just don't understand. They created a beautiful game rich in lore with so much content it can be overwhelming sometimes. If you have so much negativity about the game why play it at all? I've only been playing since February but I don't have a single complaint. Granted I mostly play PVE so I don't have experience in any PVP related issues but as someone who's been playing video games since he was a child this is one of my favorites to date. I just think ZOS should get more credit. Also this isn't a personal attack on anyone who's ever complained about the game. I just personally don't understand all the hatred.

I don't mean to be disrespectful but I find this "if you don't like it don't do it" solution to be a little condescending. We are all here because we play the game. When the game changes in a direction we don't like just shrugging and staying quiet achieves nothing. We want the game to be the best it can be. So we give our opinions in the hope that ZOS will hopefully listen to the majority and not make bad decisions. It's just unfortunate ZOS has a bad track record of paying attention to the players which is exactly why there is so much "hate" towards them.

Another game I play had a monumentally bad release and the devs took a huge amount of abuse for it. 2 content updates later (and some very fast bug patches) and the community is praising the devs work for the simple reason they are listening to the community and giving us what we want.
ZOS could do this too but they won't so the forums will always be full of unhappy customers.

dpencil wrote: »

@Indigochild3rdi I appreciate your point of view. The game is still quite fresh and has only ever existed in one state for you (it's current form). And as you mentioned, the realm of PvP in ESO is not something you're familiar with, nor the state of endgame PvE content.

I think you would find few people suggest that the leveling content or graphics are sub-par. We can recognize the many positive elements in ESO, and forum posters will often give ZOS credit when they enact a positive change. Take the decision to make Battlegrounds no-CP as an example.

The problem is that for some, they have seen the game change many times, sometimes for the worse, sometimes watching bugs go unaddressed for more than a year. They've attempted to communicate concerns to the devs early in the development process only to watch things that were obvious problems to the players go unchanged and result in the expected problems on the live servers. There's frustration at feeling ignored, at wishing certain things players had gotten used to would have been left alone, at seeing so much potential for elements of a game they love not being realized.

You're right that if people didn't like the game and didn't care they should just leave, but most of the complaints are from people who love this game and have invested many hours into it. They want to see improvement and not degeneration into traps so many other MMOs have fallen into.

...and some people are just forum trolls.

haha indeed, some bug's from OPEN BETA(openfuckingbeta) are still there. GM's being nonexistent and support is ...nevermind.

already said we need love! https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/330675/we-need#latest

raidentenshu_ESO wrote: »

Indigochild3rdi wrote: »

I'm not trying to come off as rude but why is there so much hate towards ZOS? If you know the crates are a hit or miss why risk it And Complain about not getting a mount? If you're upset because your subscription doesn't seem beneficial enough don't subscribe. If you think the warden sucks before it's even released and you can experience it don't play a warden. I just see so much hate and trash talk about ZOS I just don't understand. They created a beautiful game rich in lore with so much content it can be overwhelming sometimes. If you have so much negativity about the game why play it at all? I've only been playing since February but I don't have a single complaint. Granted I mostly play PVE so I don't have experience in any PVP related issues but as someone who's been playing video games since he was a child this is one of my favorites to date. I just think ZOS should get more credit. Also this isn't a personal attack on anyone who's ever complained about the game. I just personally don't understand all the hatred.

You obviously haven't played ESO long enough to create your own opinions.


I can't speak for others but I will speak for myself.

I complain so that I can use my frustrations to try to get ZOS to change things in the game that is more appropriate.

I complain because I'm sick of tired of spending most of my time in ESO grinding and farming for impossible obtainable gear that will help my overall DPS status. I should be having fun in a game that I paid a lot of money on. So far that doesn't seem to be an option anymore because this game is so DPS # and strict BIS gear (Non craftable) orientated.

I have a love hate relationship with ZOS because I feel that their milking us Elder scrolls fans out of our money for low quality items in the crown store. ZOS has reached an all time low by introducing us to the crown crates. They've turned this game into an online casino where RNG seems to be a large part of the game now, including crowns!

ZOS has ripped us off so much that it is their own fault that players hate them. It gets to the point where the players recovers from the stockholm syndrome, and take action.

For starters... mounts... Afraid of water! WTF! Why is my expensive mount that I paid real life money on so terrible of water? Why is that? Why can't I have my mount swim in the water like I can do back in Skyrim? Also why can't I get infected by a wild werewolf/ and or vampire without having to beg for a bite in guilds and in zones? People been scammed by other players who offered a bite for gold, and didn't provide the service. You know why? ZOS doesn't give a crap about Elder scrolls lore! Check the Crown store.... Offering a vampire/werewolf bite for 1,000 crowns! They made it so difficult to the point where people cave in, and use RL for a bite.

Oh and one last thing on why I no longer have respect for ZOS

Lead combat designer Eric Wrobel from ZOS encourages his players to exploit a broken combat mechanic (He should really admit that he doesn't know how to fix it) by using animation canceling to give you an extra boost of DPS.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ThZtwhYkKSs

To become a competitive player you must exploit the combat mechanic by using animation canceling otherwise your DPS will suck, and you won't be invited to any of the veteran trials, especially vMOL! You must use this exploitative technique to become competitive player.

In GunZ there were several combat bugs that created the entire game, so whining about it is a bit stupid.
Those little "glitches" could impact positively on the game, increasing the player skill ceiling, making the game more interesting to play with them and discovering more of them.
Even league of legends has its own glitches, dota 2 as well, nobody is mad about it.

WhitePawPrints wrote: »

Have you had any contact with customer support?

They are the worst!

Criticizing is not hatred. This is a place to leave suggestions and some people are irritated and have every right to be. Those same people can still love the game.

Take me for instance, I am absolutely FURIOUS that the SAME BUGS keep making their way back into the LFG tool. It's obvious that ZoS has issues with revision management of their code. It's unbelievable and unprofessional for something to be broken like that all of the time.

However, this game is gorgeous and overall incredible.

Ooooo lemme type you a nice long wall of stuff to tell you the full sad story! *rubs hands in aticipation* (warning: wall of text inc)

I've never seen another MMO's forums but actually when the game launched these forums were a very happy place. Most everyone was happy and optimistic and full of naive faith in ZOS and even though the game was unphathomably buggy and had a multitude of issues, even if someone complained, 90% of responses would be "yeah man , we feel for you, but it's a new game, give them time, it's gonna get there. It's so cool overall, it's worth it".
I guess it started going steeply downhill with the b2p announcement - or rather, before it. The rumours were all around and there were dozens threads aking ZOS to comment on this one way or the other, but they never did. The majority of the people would keep defending them, saying they promised they'd never do that and they'd keep the promise, and rumors are just rumors...but it was weird they never bothered to comment. And then they went b2p, announcing it like the best thing ever, like they didn't just go back on a promise and ignore pleas/questions... from hundreds of loyal playedrs on forums who simply wanted to know what was going on. B2p transfer may or may not have been necessary, but I don't see how lack of commnication was.

And it's only been worse since then. They never talk to people about most real issues. When vet zones were hardmode slog at launch, so much I personally believed it to be a bug, such difficulty spike simply didn't make sense, people have complained all over and left the game in droves because there was never even ONE response, even some ackownledgement of the problem, then in like a year when most everyone who cared already either leveled up or left, they nerfed them al to the ground - without a single word of warning of explanation why again. Basically since then we've been talking about a learning curve because it's needed badly and they're never acknowledging that either. For all we know next patch they're gonna buff all zone to launch vet zones level because reasons lol. They never tell us their plans nor discuss our/their ideas. No, they always take forever to fix stuff that should be approached with pincers and then whack it with a (nerf)hammer. Then we wait another half a year for a "fix" if we're lucky. And none of this is accompanied by any comments from their side.

I nearly quit the game, ended up taking a few months' break, with DB dlc, because they were nerfing the last challenging 4 man content in the game and introducing NOTHING in its place. I made a longass thread about it, many others have too - we were asking for it not to be nerfed at least until new challenging 4 man content is introduced because what do those of us who love us a hard dungeon do in the meanwhile? And for all we knew we weren't getting another dungeon for another year at that point. Then with the next dlc, SotH, they introduced 2 new challenging dungeons and scaled vDSA(along with Trials). Yay. Why couldn't they tell us about it before? What secret oath of silence was it that stopped them from discussing this? I know dozens of people who left over that nerf and never came back. Why was it so hard to pop in a thread and say "hey guys, can't reveal details yet but we hear you and we're working on something you're gonn love and hoping to release it in the near future!"?

Hell nevermind that, has been a while. Let's look at the very recent track record. Homestead broke a LOT of stuff, including such a vital function as a groupfinder. This issue not only hasn't been fixed, to the best of my knowledge it hasn't even been ACKNOWLEDGED still. There's like a dozen threads on it and more keep spawning yet there's no comment whatsoever from ZOS. Why? If I go and tell the the uncensored version of what I think about it in one of those threads, my message will get removed almost immediately, indicating these threads are in fact read - but only in order to censor them apparently, nothing more. People jump egerly to every thread with a "ZOS" to it but 9/10 it's just "we removed some posts for baiting/cursing, please be civil..." bla blah which is almost insulting when it's a thread about important game issues and that's the literally only way a "ZOS" comment ever appears there.
Why don't they simply roll the gropfinder back to pre-Homestead working version? It doesn 't sound like it should be overly hard, let alone take 2 months. If it is that hard or impossible for some reason, why don't they tell us that? Why don't they simply say "hey guys, we know it's borked and we're super sorry about it, we're currently working on it but we've encontered some technical issues, hang in there and sorry again"?

They brought the server down on Monday to implement ToS change letting them sell out info to 3rd parties and "introducing fixes to features not in game yet". Seriously? Not even a mention of all the bugs we've had since(and before, too) Homestead but they're "fixing features not in game yet"?
I don't actually want to be negative and rage out at you, sorry if it comes off that way OP, I guess it's just a sore point because like many others I love the game but hate its management; honestly, at this point it simply looks like the reason they don't talk to us is because they don't give a flying **** about it since they're getting plenty of money from crown store and for all they care older players can leave the game for good, plenty of newbies will come and feed them via buying mounts and costumes.

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Lol okay I guess I understand the frustration. I just don't get it. If something makes me mad enough I just stop play. Just wanted an inside look as to why y'all were so upset all the time. And huh? Rich? @Shad0wfire99

It's called feedback for ZOS. When customers are unhappy, they need to give feedback to the company in the hopes that the product will improve.