Warden: Give us a stamina healer option please!

Ruse · February 2017

So ... I like playing healers. I always play healers. I have multiple healers in ESO, and class mechanics do add some variety.

But every single one of them can choose from a staff, a staff, a staff, or hey, a staff! as a weapon choice.

I know currently there is no viable stamina-based healer option. But since we're getting a new class with Morrowind, please consider dedicating one of its lines to STAMINA-based healing so that this is a viable option. We can use either for tanking, and either for DPS ... please don't keep pigeon-holing healers into using staffs.

I'm thinking making the "Green Balance" line much like Templars' Restoring Light, but one that would not need to turn to resto staff to fill in gaps. A solid HoT, a healing springs-ish equivalent, a panic button heal, all as class skills. And then maybe some shielding from the ice line we know is coming.

Thoughts?

Lyserus · February 2017

Aye..we now have mag tank (frost staff), stam healer/support should be an option too.

not suppposed to be viable only with warden though

Ruse · February 2017

Lyserus wrote: »

not suppposed to be viable only with warden though

Well don't get me wrong, I'd love stamina-based options on my templar and nightblade as well, but realistically I figured a new class was the best bet. A new weapon line might work, but how likely is that?

theher0not · February 2017

Yes please. Magica can play as healee, DPS and tank. It isn't more than fair that stamina can do it too.

Maybe they could add a bard's guild skill line for stamina support/healing too.

ordraveeb17_ESO · February 2017

stamina healer.... lol.... not in eso (((

olsborg · February 2017

Would be great to have more burst-heal options rather then the mandatory rally and vigor for sure.

Komma · February 2017

Does it really matter what stat you use. The cry for stam or mag from people playing this game is really laughable.

Calboy · February 2017

This isn't about magicka vs stamina. Just because magicka can do dps/heal/tank doesn't mean stamina should. The whole point of stamina is to have a build that focuses on mauling people with melee weapons. If you don't want to go on a rampage holding a big arse axe then spec magicka and utilise magic to cause harm and heal etc instead.

Ruse · February 2017

Komma wrote: »

Does it really matter what stat you use. The cry for stam or mag from people playing this game is really laughable.

I'd say locking one role into only one weapon aesthetic matters. Obviously, as I made the thread. :P Though I wouldn't care what stat if I had more weapon variety.

EDIT: Actually, that's not true. I'd love to be able to play as a werewolf for solo and have it be viable. So never mind, I do want stamina, lol.

ordraveeb17_ESO wrote: »

stamina healer.... lol.... not in eso (((

Care to elaborate why you think it's a bad idea?

Ruse · February 2017

Calboy wrote: »

This isn't about magicka vs stamina. Just because magicka can do dps/heal/tank doesn't mean stamina should. The whole point of stamina is to have a build that focuses on mauling people with melee weapons. If you don't want to go on a rampage holding a big arse axe then spec magicka and utilise magic to cause harm and heal etc instead.

Sorry, this post didn't show up before.

I would love to use a different weapon and still play the healer role. That's my whole point, lol. Unfortunately, staff is currently the only option, even for a DPS off-spec/solo spec.

Many class skills can be morphed into either a stamina or a magicka version. Why not a full healing line?

Lynx7386 · February 2017

They leaked the stamina healer skill line recently. Here's some of the ability descriptions:

Massage
Sensually massage an allied target, relieving tension to restore stamina and health while Channeling.
Morphs:
-shiatsu massage: increased healing
-oil massage: also restores magicka

Acupuncture:
Throw a volley of hair like needles at an ally. This ability has a 10% chance to hit pressure points, granting the ally health and increased stats for a short duration.

Pharmacist:
Prescribe a handful of skoo... prescription drugs to your ally, reducing their damage taken temporarily. After the effect wears off, the target has a 50% chance of going into withdrawals, gradually losing stamina and magicka.
Morphs:
-pure product: no longer causes withdrawals.
-laced dose: withdrawal chance increased to 100%, but target Gains major berserk for the duration.

Placebo:
Perform a healing animation on an ally, making them think you healed them.

Ultimate: medically induced coma
Save your ally from certain death by inducing a coma and disconnecting them from the game world.

DocFrost72 · February 2017

"No stam heals"

My rebuttal- "Fine, no magic tanks."

Ruse · February 2017

Lynx7386 wrote: »

They leaked the stamina healer skill line recently. Here's some of the ability descriptions:

-snip for brevity-

Lol, I know you're being a smartypants but these would be hilarious fun imo. Battle masseuse!

On a more serious note, several stam abilities already exist that don't fit the "stamina is for physical pounding of things" paradigm that keeps getting brought up:

Ring of Preservation (fighter's guild ... rune?)
Power Extraction (nightblade ... blood siphon?)
Relentless Focus (nightblade ... disease damage skill that can turn into a spectral bow?)
EDIT: Vigor (can't believe I left this one off, it's even a heal, PvP um ... just stamina-based heal, no explanation for why)

and of course a lot of the Templar Aedric Spear abilities that are arbitrarily stamina or magicka based on the morph you choose. Sometimes it's just a magic light spear, but sometimes you really need the physical prowess to then chuck that spear you just materialized. ... Even if it's used the exact same way as the magicka version ...

greylox · February 2017

Doesn't make much sense tbh.........bandages?

Ruse · February 2017

greylox wrote: »

Doesn't make much sense tbh.........bandages?

I had just typed up a list of a few skills off the top of my head that don't "make sense" in the context I assume you mean. (If I'm wrong, please, let me know.

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And imo fun/variety should trump a behind-the-scenes stat system. If the same spear can be either magicka- or stamina- based because of ... undefined reasons, I see no reason to be rigid on heals. :P Not to mention ... Vigor.

lolo_01b16_ESO · February 2017

While I don't mind adding some stam heals to the warden, you can already heal without a restro staff as long as you don't do trials. Templar, sorc and to some extend also nbs can heal most vet dungeons with dw+destro and healing on a stamplar with vigor + rependance + extended ritual can be fun aswell.

Sheva I 7 I · February 2017

introduce spears skill-line
make it defensive buff/healer stamina skill line

cjhhickman39 · February 2017

This months game informer had a write up on morrowind and a little info on warden the three trees will fall as healing. Shielding and dps I believe from the write up but it didn't have any info on if the abilities were stam or magicka

DisgracefulMind · February 2017

Ew, no. Keeping allies alive with a physical based damage-stat pool? |:
I just don't like the sound of it. At all.

Ruse · February 2017

lolo_01b16_ESO wrote: »

While I don't mind adding some stam heals to the warden, you can already heal without a restro staff as long as you don't do trials. Templar, sorc and to some extend also nbs can heal most vet dungeons with dw+destro and healing on a stamplar with vigor + rependance + extended ritual can be fun aswell.

I'm not up to snuff for trials yet, nowhere near the CP or gear, but it's been my experience that unless you have a polished pre-made, you absolutely need an "oh crap" heal, either from or resto staff or breath of life.

Anyways, ideally you'd be able to be a "true" healer for all content through stamina, imo.

cjhhickman39 wrote: »

This months game informer had a write up on morrowind and a little info on warden the three trees will fall as healing. Shielding and dps I believe from the write up but it didn't have any info on if the abilities were stam or magicka

I'll check it out, thanks!

DisgracefulMind wrote: »

Ew, no. Keeping allies alive with a physical based damage-stat pool? |:
I just don't like the sound of it. At all.

Please see this post, which I'm sure isn't exhaustive. And at bare minimum, Vigor already exists. Why not other heals?

DragonBound · February 2017

Calboy wrote: »

This isn't about magicka vs stamina. Just because magicka can do dps/heal/tank doesn't mean stamina should. The whole point of stamina is to have a build that focuses on mauling people with melee weapons. If you don't want to go on a rampage holding a big arse axe then spec magicka and utilise magic to cause harm and heal etc instead.

You win the most ignorant comment of classes ever in an mmorpg.

Ruse · February 2017

OK, if the Skill planner is to be believed, we definitely get a dedicated heal line in Green Balance and a potential heal in the cold line, too. Now they just need to be stam based.

DocFrost72 · February 2017

greylox wrote: »

Doesn't make much sense tbh.........bandages?

Splash potions of healing that don't count towards your individual potion (as they are not consumed, simply topically applied).

Just one example off the cuff!

DisgracefulMind wrote: »

Ew, no. Keeping allies alive with a physical based damage-stat pool? |:
I just don't like the sound of it. At all.

Yeah, it's right up there with a wooden, slender staff being easier to block with than a greatsword, but when you put it in context, things sound so much better

KochDerDamonen · February 2017

Big approval for this idea, cracks open the set variety for healers as a role, would help allow a variety of utilities without them being equal across builds, might allow 'hybrid' healers to pan out better especially in PvE.

If Warden gets some stamina-based heals, it opens a door.

To the argument of stamina healing making no sense: Look at the stamina-based weapon and class (and world) skills, and tell me none of them work outside of "physical power" (see: Vigor, Werewolf, Momentum, Whirlwind, Blade Cloak, Hurricane, Jabs, Executioner's Blade, Noxious Breath...)

DisgracefulMind · February 2017

DocFrost72 wrote: »

greylox wrote: »

Doesn't make much sense tbh.........bandages?

Splash potions of healing that don't count towards your individual potion (as they are not consumed, simply topically applied).

Just one example off the cuff!

DisgracefulMind wrote: »

Ew, no. Keeping allies alive with a physical based damage-stat pool? |:
I just don't like the sound of it. At all.

Yeah, it's right up there with a wooden, slender staff being easier to block with than a greatsword, but when you put it in context, things sound so much better

Staaahhhppppp. I already hate the idea of frost staff tanking lol.

@redlost_ESO I don't need to read a post about skills, what they are, etc. etc. I just quite honestly don't think a stamina based healer is 1. a good thing or 2. should even be a thing. I'm literally imagining a stamina build in full medium spamming stamina healing springs, and it disgusts me.

Stamina has things that it excels at. For example, top notch burst in PvP, top dog in vMA, and also carries extremely high single target dps (even though, at this moment in time magicka dps is preferred specifically due to harness). I'd rather not see the art of healing in ESO destroyed by a spec that can stack crit higher than a magicka build with ease, and 2. literally has nothing to do with any aspect of healing. You tell me vigor, and I remember why vigor was placed into the game in the first place. Stamina needed a reliable self-heal that wasn't rally. I don't think they ever placed vigor into the game with hopes of stamina healing being a thing.

I don't think that magicka should be able to do everything stamina can (and it can't), and I don't think stamina should be able to do everything magicka can (and it can't). Petitioning for a stamina based healer is like saying you want everything to be the same thing in this game with no variety. Please stop.

Ruse · February 2017

Feels are important to a degree, but they don't make a good basis for balancing.

DisgracefulMind wrote: »

Petitioning for a stamina based healer is like saying you want everything to be the same thing in this game with no variety. Please stop.

Like only ever being able to use a staff as a weapon? lol

But no. I do play the different class healers and despite being magicka-based, they play pretty differently -- allowing stam healing would INCREASE variety, not lower it. I simply think healers need more weapon variety, and like I said, being able to make werewolf viable for a solo option wouldn't go amiss

idk · February 2017

redlost_ESO wrote: »

So ... I like playing healers. I always play healers. I have multiple healers in ESO, and class mechanics do add some variety.

But every single one of them can choose from a staff, a staff, a staff, or hey, a staff! as a weapon choice.

I know currently there is no viable stamina-based healer option. But since we're getting a new class with Morrowind, please consider dedicating one of its lines to STAMINA-based healing so that this is a viable option. We can use either for tanking, and either for DPS ... please don't keep pigeon-holing healers into using staffs.

I'm thinking making the "Green Balance" line much like Templars' Restoring Light, but one that would not need to turn to resto staff to fill in gaps. A solid HoT, a healing springs-ish equivalent, a panic button heal, all as class skills. And then maybe some shielding from the ice line we know is coming.

Thoughts?

@redlost_ESO

So you want Zos to combine the best of the templar with the best of the Rstaff all into the class skills of one class.

Obviously no, it was be even more OP than a Templar.

It is not an issue not having a stamina healing class as who really cares if their heals are powered by stam or magika. Tanking and DPS are different via stam vs magika. Healing would not be and being the Rstaff is the center of all Trial healing, nvm, just no.

Zos would not do this anyhow.

akray21 · March 2017

I looooove when people try to claim that stamina heals would make no sense! Please explain to me Vigor! You poop out a colored ring around you and "magically" heal yourself, and others if you take a morph. Please explain to me Rally! You raise your sword in the air and get healed for 33 seconds... "magically"!

How would a healing skill line that uses stamina be any different than Vigor and Rally!? That's right, it wouldn't!

BTW ZOS, please give people a reason to continue playing the current classes. Add a new skill line to each class, add morphs, something! I don't want to see 90% of Tamriel as Wardens in June. Oh, and give us a damn one hand and spell line, like we have been waiting for since BETA!