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Why don't you PvP?
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✭✭I don't PvP (much) because I'm not very good at it and die far more often than I kill, which isn't fun.
I used to sometimes enjoy the Imperial City before they brought in district capture, because you could respawn quickly and jump back into the fight, but I just die too often to put myself through the horse simulator and sewer slog every time.0 -
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✭✭THEDKEXPERIENCE wrote: »I'm not competitive. I have autodecline turned on for duels. I don't care if someone else can kill my character. About the only reason I go to Cyrodiil is to craft set gear for guildmates.
I honestly don't see the point in pvp. Congratulations. You have a build set up for pvp, you're geared up for pvp, and you killed my character that isn't set up for pvp, isn't min/maxed for anything, and wears crafted gear. Not to mention I don't bother to fight back. I don't care if you can kill me or not. I just want to be able to go make armor for someone. I'm interested in playing the game, not competing with other players, who, from the ones I've encountered on the occasions I've gone to Cyrodiil, are just a hair off from rabid psychopaths. I've had people try to tell me that the player who killed me over and over again in IC the last time I went there, just outside the crafting station door was looking for a good fight. Personally, I rather doubt that. The player waited until I survived a fight with the daedra before attacking, you know, when you're low on health/magic/stamina because you've been fighting? Second hint; I put my weapons away and didn't fight back. Even if the player missed the clues the first three times he killed me, he should have figured it out by the 4th time. I wasn't going to fight, period. I guess he finally got bored with blocking the crafting station because the 5th time he didn't bother to attack me. I made the gear, left the station and got killed so I could get out of there.
That might be fun for some types of players, but me? No. Not really. I wholeheartedly agree with Nestor. I would cheerfully support a pvp only server for the people who want to pvp all the time. Especially if that meant a pve only instance of Cyrodiil that I could go and pve/explore/actually have fun in without the pvpers to ruin the fun.
So much wow here.
- Duels and PVP in Cyrodiil are extraordinarily different. A good dueler is like a UFC fighter. A good Cyrodiil PVPer is more like a soldier. Put a UFC fighter in a cage with an unarmed soldier and the UFC guy would destroy the soldier. But put 100 armed soldiers against 100 armed UFC fighters on a battlefield and the soldiers might wipe them out 100 to nothing. It's apples and oranges.
- If someone is in front of me you're getting attacked. Level 23 or CP 600. I don't care. Your just in my way.
- Not fighting back is the worst thing you can do. You're a free sack of Alliance Points. It's not a PVPers fault for wanting to PVP in PVP.
- Camping a blacksmith is low. I agree there. Still ... put up a fight. At least try.
- I've found that people who describe PVPers as rabid psychopaths generally need to look in the mirror.
- You gave one example where one person acted like a jerk, while you "fought back" in the least effective way possible. In my view, people of your kind are way more of the problem with PVP then one jerk ganker.
I guess its a pvp mindset thing; what is so hard to understand about "I do not want to fight."?
Yes, I'm a free sack of alliance points. Yes, you can kill me. I might be in "in front of you" or "in your way" however it isn't because I'm trying to be. I DO NOT WANT TO FIGHT, PERIOD. If the devs put duplicates of the 3 IC crafting stations out in "the world" I would never bother to step foot in Cyrodiil. I'm not complaining about getting killed. I know I'm going to get killed multiple times probably every single time I go to the IC to craft gear for someone.
If you are a npc enemy, then yes, I do take a lot of pleasure in slaughtering you the most efficient way possible. I admit to snickering when I use my werewolf to shred npc enemies to little bits of hamburger. Since this is all on the pve side of things, very few other players are affected in any way by this. Not sure that qualifies as "borderline rabid psychopath" though, since I'm not disrupting other player's games or causing them any issues at all.
See the above caps; I DO NOT WANT TO FIGHT, PERIOD. Sorry if that spoils your "gotta kill them all" feeling. I didn't fight back the least effective way, I didn't fight back at all. If I spoiled the ganker's day by not fighting back maybe its even; he spoiled my "don't fight run in craft gear run out" attempt.
"My kind" of player who has no interest in pvp and doesn't want to pvp and *won't* pvp for whatever reasons we might have is why I would be happy to advocate for a separate open world pvp server for all the pvpers who think pve players who want to do pve/craft/explore in the pvp area cause problems and spoil thier game. I think it was Nestor who said make a pve only instance for doing some pve exploring, set it before the war, or in a "Meridia's Special Snowflake Zone" that you can do after Cadwell's Gold so no dastardly espionage/spying/evil plots can cause any issues in the pvp war.
Know what though? Every time that "separate instance" thing is brought up, pvpers rage. No matter how many times its pointed out that "my kind" of player who doesn't want to pvp, and won't pvp, but does want the books, pve quests, and skyshards are contributing to the player cap and blocking out pvpers who do want to fight the war. Of course, it could be the pvpers who really don't want a "fair fight" and just want to gank pve players who complain so much. :shrug:
At one time a lot of people didn't attack low level players and people questing etc., but this changed a lot after they introduced the Golden Vendor who sells monster helms. Now people seem much more eager to earn alliance points compared to the past when there was nothing to spend them on.
However, if you call out in zone that you are crafting or doing quests and looking for an escort / help with someone who is ganking you, etc, I'm sure there will be some people in your faction eager to help. For us it's fun to gank the ganker.
.Edited by IcyDeadPeople on March 17, 2017 4:11PM0 -
out51d3r✭✭✭✭It's no secrect that pvp'ers make the best pve'ers.
The situational awareness, on the fly thinking, and quickly reacting, etc. all directly translates to pve content.
I'm not sure I'd say pvpers are better at it, but we definitely approach it differently. We are better at adapting when things go wrong. We are used to getting pressured with obscenely high damage and having to keep ourselves alive through it. I'm dps, but I've acted as an off-tank or emergency healer plenty of times. When things start going bad I don't start yelling at the tank/healer, I quickly assess the situation and figure out how I can pick up the slack. I don't view it as my job to maximize dps. I view it as my job to do whatever it takes from moment to moment to complete the content.
On the other hand, if you want to put some pve-content on farm and execute it like a well oiled machine, you're probably better off with a team of pve-ers.0 -
malicia✭✭✭✭I have PvPed before and enjoyed it, but the pace is just that bit faster than I prefer. In PvE if I want to grab a bite or take the dog out, I go and hide in a corner, and I'm pretty sure that I'll still be alive when I get back. Doing that in PvP is much more risky, and doing it when there's a queue waiting to enter is just selfish.
Then, I'm currently a mediocre player at best, both in terms of gear, skill (my playing skills) and latency (in open world normally 260, in battle 320+). That means that I spend much more time on my horse than is really fun.
In PvE I get to choose how strong my opponents are. If I feel like just a relaxed bit of playing, I go do a delve or two. If I feel the need to die a few times, I go to vMA.
I'm a casual player. PvP just feels a bit more serious than I'm willing to be about the game.PC, EU
Not elite, not the best. Just enjoying ESO.
Not the worst either. "Casual" != "totally ignorant"
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malicia✭✭✭✭I have PvPed before and enjoyed it, but the pace is just that bit faster than I prefer. In PvE if I want to grab a bite or take the dog out, I go and hide in a corner, and I'm pretty sure that I'll still be alive when I get back. Doing that in PvP is much more risky, and doing it when there's a queue waiting to enter is just selfish.
Then, I'm currently a mediocre player at best, both in terms of gear, skill (my playing skills) and latency (in open world normally 260, in battle 320+). That means that I spend much more time on my horse than is really fun.
In PvE I get to choose how strong my opponents are. If I feel like just a relaxed bit of playing, I go do a delve or two. If I feel the need to die a few times, I go to vMA.
I'm a casual player. PvP just feels a bit more serious than I'm willing to be about the game.PC, EU
Not elite, not the best. Just enjoying ESO.
Not the worst either. "Casual" != "totally ignorant"
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boobafinno✭✭✭I don't PVP cus i think army vs army PVP type is boring. Small group vs small group, or 1vs1 better, but more looks like Mortal Combat or any other fighting game, but i dont like fightings, when all what u need is just push right combinations of buttons in right moment, thats stupid for me... I am here to play MMORPG, not fighting. Also, i have no idea how should PVP looks like in games like TESO, so may be this "Mortal Combat" type of PVP the only one possible.0
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Paincake✭✭If I want to PVP I'll play Battlefield or LoL. My MMO's are for dungeon crawling and raiding.3
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As I said, above, this is evident of a social anxiety disorder. Some people challenged this, without any actual insight, but it's actually plain as day. Why else would the person be so adamantly against trying a new experience? There is extreme prejudice involved - the whole attitude is reminiscent of a 5-year-old that won't eat spinach.Yes, I'm a free sack of alliance points. Yes, you can kill me. I might be in "in front of you" or "in your way" however it isn't because I'm trying to be. I DO NOT WANT TO FIGHT, PERIOD.
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Katahdin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Didn't some ask this question last month?
I do PvP in Cyro and IC. I just don't every day because I like to do other things too.
Some people enjoy it, others dont.
Not a big deal either wayEdited by Katahdin on March 17, 2017 4:31PMBeta tester November 20130 -
Tandor✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭There're many reasons why one wouldn't want to PvP, many legit reasons among them too.
Therein lies the problem with these sorts of threads. It doesn't matter why someone chooses not to PvP, his/her reasons - whatever they may be - are all legit, just as the reasons why PvPers choose to PvP are all legit.
You don't need a post-graduate doctorate in gaming psychology to understand why some players like to PvP while other players like to PvE. We're all different, and we all like different things. It's as simple as that.
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Betheny✭✭✭✭✭
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Not saying I don't understand why it exists, I'm saying I don't want to hear it. It's obnoxious and loud and relentless, and makes me want to stick needles through my eardrums.0 -
IcyDeadPeople✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭It's no secrect that pvp'ers make the best pve'ers.
The situational awareness, on the fly thinking, and quickly reacting, etc. all directly translates to pve content.
I'm not sure I'd say pvpers are better at it, but we definitely approach it differently. We are better at adapting when things go wrong. We are used to getting pressured with obscenely high damage and having to keep ourselves alive through it. I'm dps, but I've acted as an off-tank or emergency healer plenty of times. When things start going bad I don't start yelling at the tank/healer, I quickly assess the situation and figure out how I can pick up the slack. I don't view it as my job to maximize dps. I view it as my job to do whatever it takes from moment to moment to complete the content.
On the other hand, if you want to put some pve-content on farm and execute it like a well oiled machine, you're probably better off with a team of pve-ers.
In my case I'd say I'm a horrible "pve'er" - I have no clue about any of the dungeons or PVE builds, etc. The only experiences I had with that stuff, everybody kept dying and blaming each other, arguing about it. I have max CP but I'm still the absolute last person you would ever want joining your pledge dungeon or trial group.
Endgame PVE is kind of stressful and boring tbh - much more relaxing just to wander around Cyrodiil solo with no obligations, no teamspeak, kill some people by a bridge or get into random fights.1 -
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✭✭I used to play FPSes a long time ago, but got bored with them. I just don't find PvP interesting. I didn't even PvP in EVE, a game that's centered around it.0 -
Betheny✭✭✭✭✭
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OP asked "why don't you PVP?" and that comment was an addendum to the post I made before. That's why I don't PVP.
You pulling up another person's reasons for doing something when asked why and telling them they're not allowed to say it is what's toxic here.1 -
I've always PvP'd in other games, I do enjoy the dynamic. I especially enjoy the AvAvA type of game play. In other games I would consider it the true endgame. I have given ESO PvP a shot, but find that certain things make it less enjoyable:
• The map is too big. Seems like an odd complaint, but there is more riding than fighting.
• It's hard to tell where the action is when you are not grouped. Personally, I liked GW2's commander chips.
• It's a time commitment, with poor incentives for time spent. I feel like I can't drop in for 30 minutes and accomplish anything worthwhile. Hopefully BGs change that for me.
I really do want to like Cyrodil, but my experience has been less than stellar. I could have just not been in long enough, but other games PvP drew me in immediately. Maybe I have not had that "omg this is cool" moment yet.Edited by Blackt00thGrim on March 17, 2017 4:24PM0 -
CardboardedBox✭✭✭✭Because I'm horrible at playing against another person in any videogame, and 99.9% of the time I will loose. So since I already know what the outcome of my efforts will be, there's no point trying. So I avoid competive games. There's my pathetic sob story, plain and simple.
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OP asked "why don't you PVP?" and that comment was an addendum to the post I made before. That's why I don't PVP.
You pulling up another person's reasons for doing something when asked why and telling them they're not allowed to say it is what's toxic here.
Implying that PvP players are angry and depressed is something that you don't know, and serves no purpose other than to antagonize. You're not fooling many people here. Also, the irony...it amuses me.
Also, say whatever you like, just be prepared to have it answered with criticism.Edited by cjthibs on March 17, 2017 4:30PM2 -
Bouldercleave✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭bulbousb16_ESO wrote: »
As I said, above, this is evident of a social anxiety disorder. Some people challenged this, without any actual insight, but it's actually plain as day. Why else would the person be so adamantly against trying a new experience? There is extreme prejudice involved - the whole attitude is reminiscent of a 5-year-old that won't eat spinach.Yes, I'm a free sack of alliance points. Yes, you can kill me. I might be in "in front of you" or "in your way" however it isn't because I'm trying to be. I DO NOT WANT TO FIGHT, PERIOD.
No it isn't evident of a social anxiety disorder, or any other disorder for that matter. He (she) is making a choice to not partake in something that he (she) does not enjoy. It's not about being afraid to try a new experience - where did you come up with that connection?
Maybe it is just a simple I don't enjoy it so I don't partake. I don't like stapling my nutsack, so even though it would be a WHOLE new experience - I don't think I'll partake. I must have a ball pain anxiety disorder...12 -
cjthibs✭✭✭✭✭
✭Bouldercleave wrote: »bulbousb16_ESO wrote: »
As I said, above, this is evident of a social anxiety disorder. Some people challenged this, without any actual insight, but it's actually plain as day. Why else would the person be so adamantly against trying a new experience? There is extreme prejudice involved - the whole attitude is reminiscent of a 5-year-old that won't eat spinach.Yes, I'm a free sack of alliance points. Yes, you can kill me. I might be in "in front of you" or "in your way" however it isn't because I'm trying to be. I DO NOT WANT TO FIGHT, PERIOD.
No it isn't evident of a social anxiety disorder, or any other disorder for that matter. He (she) is making a choice to not partake in something that he (she) does not enjoy. It's not about being afraid to try a new experience - where did you come up with that connection?
Maybe it is just a simple I don't enjoy it so I don't partake. I don't like stapling my nutsack, so even though it would be a WHOLE new experience - I don't think I'll partake. I must have a ball pain anxiety disorder...
I know I definitely have anxiety over ball pain. You're not alone...0 -
out51d3r✭✭✭✭IcyDeadPeople wrote: »In my case I'd say I'm a horrible "pve'er" - I have no clue about any of the dungeons or PVE builds, etc. The only experiences I had with that stuff, everybody kept dying and blaming each other, arguing about it. I have max CP but I'm still the absolute last person you would ever want joining your pledge dungeon or trial group.
Endgame PVE is kind of stressful and boring tbh - much more relaxing just to wander around Cyrodiil solo with no obligations, no teamspeak, kill some people by a bridge or get into random fights.
This is true for me as well. I only go into pve when I want something from it, not for fun. For the record, you'll probably find it less hateful if you do it with a group of pvpers instead of pve-ers. The expectations of pvpers in pve content are completely different than pve-ers. A pvp group's run in pve will usually be way more chaotic than a pve group, but will usually be successful.1 -
Turelus✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Bouldercleave wrote: »bulbousb16_ESO wrote: »
As I said, above, this is evident of a social anxiety disorder. Some people challenged this, without any actual insight, but it's actually plain as day. Why else would the person be so adamantly against trying a new experience? There is extreme prejudice involved - the whole attitude is reminiscent of a 5-year-old that won't eat spinach.Yes, I'm a free sack of alliance points. Yes, you can kill me. I might be in "in front of you" or "in your way" however it isn't because I'm trying to be. I DO NOT WANT TO FIGHT, PERIOD.
No it isn't evident of a social anxiety disorder, or any other disorder for that matter. He (she) is making a choice to not partake in something that he (she) does not enjoy. It's not about being afraid to try a new experience - where did you come up with that connection?
Maybe it is just a simple I don't enjoy it so I don't partake. I don't like stapling my nutsack, so even though it would be a WHOLE new experience - I don't think I'll partake. I must have a ball pain anxiety disorder...
You're my new effing hero for that post. +1 Awesome.@Turelus - EU PC Megaserver
"Don't count on others for help. In the end each of us is in this alone. The survivors are those who know how to look out for themselves."1 -
Im_So_Tanked✭✭Simply put dont have the sets and havent decided what type of class to main properly past 200cp. I dont have any desire to go in to get farmed while undergeared. I pvpd at lauch and found it enjoyable enough though.0
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Betheny✭✭✭✭✭
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OP asked "why don't you PVP?" and that comment was an addendum to the post I made before. That's why I don't PVP.
You pulling up another person's reasons for doing something when asked why and telling them they're not allowed to say it is what's toxic here.
Implying that PvP players are angry and depressed is something that you don't know, and serves no purpose other than to antagonize. You're not fooling many people here. Also, the irony...it amuses me.
Also, say whatever you like, just be prepared to have it answered with criticism.
I know what I hear and as I said:People don't PVP in a vacuum, people generally PVP in groups and that's when you get exposed to all the group chat in TeamSpeak or whatever voicechat is being used and get to hear all that whining about skills and gear and bitching about others on and on loudly in your own damn lounge
Only time I want to hear people talking over my game sounds is when they're asking for help or giving instructions or commands to get something done.
The anger and bitching and whining is depressing, they're always going on about something , some skill or player or gear.
That does not sound like the chatter of happy people to me.2 -
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OP asked "why don't you PVP?" and that comment was an addendum to the post I made before. That's why I don't PVP.
You pulling up another person's reasons for doing something when asked why and telling them they're not allowed to say it is what's toxic here.
Implying that PvP players are angry and depressed is something that you don't know, and serves no purpose other than to antagonize. You're not fooling many people here. Also, the irony...it amuses me.
Also, say whatever you like, just be prepared to have it answered with criticism.
I know what I hear and as I said:People don't PVP in a vacuum, people generally PVP in groups and that's when you get exposed to all the group chat in TeamSpeak or whatever voicechat is being used and get to hear all that whining about skills and gear and bitching about others on and on loudly in your own damn lounge
Only time I want to hear people talking over my game sounds is when they're asking for help or giving instructions or commands to get something done.
The anger and bitching and whining is depressing, they're always going on about something , some skill or player or gear.
That does not sound like the chatter of happy people to me.
Not every PvP group sounds like that. Making a blanket generalization based on one experience doesn't mean you know what all PvPers are like.
And to be fair, I've been in PvE groups where a dungeon doesn't even start because someone is yelling about other people's gear loudly. Calling them idiots <insert racial slurs> and noobs because they don't have exactly the same gear that their DPS of whichever race/class/role has. Or groups where a healer decided to just stop healing because he/she didn't feel the rest of the group was up to their level. (Not leaving the group mind you, but letting them die repeatedly, then insulting everyone, then leaving.)
You don't like PvP, cool, but don't try and insult an entire group of people to justify it. There are *** on both sides of the divide.2 -
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OP asked "why don't you PVP?" and that comment was an addendum to the post I made before. That's why I don't PVP.
You pulling up another person's reasons for doing something when asked why and telling them they're not allowed to say it is what's toxic here.
Implying that PvP players are angry and depressed is something that you don't know, and serves no purpose other than to antagonize. You're not fooling many people here. Also, the irony...it amuses me.
Also, say whatever you like, just be prepared to have it answered with criticism.
I know what I hear and as I said:People don't PVP in a vacuum, people generally PVP in groups and that's when you get exposed to all the group chat in TeamSpeak or whatever voicechat is being used and get to hear all that whining about skills and gear and bitching about others on and on loudly in your own damn lounge
Only time I want to hear people talking over my game sounds is when they're asking for help or giving instructions or commands to get something done.
The anger and bitching and whining is depressing, they're always going on about something , some skill or player or gear.
That does not sound like the chatter of happy people to me.
Not every PvP group sounds like that.
Yet every time I see a nerf thread it's exactly the same. Or a hate the game balance guy thread. Sounds exactly the same as what I've heard in TeamSpeak etc channels when PVPing.0 -
wazzz56✭✭✭✭✭THEDKEXPERIENCE wrote: »I have 30,000 PVP kills and have gotten about 3 rage messages ever. Who are these people that are so mean? This always cracks me up.
Is this a PC thing? Are you the guy who isn't listening to your crown? Were you telling stories about your science teacher while someone was trying to get 18 people to siege Chalman keep?
In truth, I solo more now than ever because I'm tired of playing with people who give up at the first sign of trouble.
SO much of this
GM Tig Ole Critties ps5 NA small scale PvP guild
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✭While I do both pve and pvp. I've never heard people trash talk someone's builds quite like pve guilds teamspeak. They act like gossip girls, they start to say something then realize that person is in chat as well, then they lock up.
I try to keep my ignore list clear. I'll ignore someone for a couple days then clear it so that they have time to calm down and realize how pathetic they were. After 3 years I only have 1 on ignore, and about once a week I clear him. Then I kill him in cyrodiil, and he sends another pathetic hate tell. I do laugh a lot though. If I've made someone that mad, I must be doing something right.3 -
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However PvP players lack the understanding of PvE mechanics or builds. I've taken "only PvP" players to PvE before and they had no idea how to actually get a high and sustained DPS because they were so used to short burst combat or environmental defensive combat (line of sight).After a (irrational) outcry from the upcoming CP adjustments from much of the forum community, I keep seeing "most of us don't PvP... etc. etc."
Why?
Everyone that I've introduced into PvP that was very against it, turned out to not being against it at all. By introduced I mean I helped them to know what to expect and how to respond and what skills are needed to help emerge victorious.
Secondly, I have always been a adamant PvPer, but still enjoy "endgame" type pve. I spend 95% of my time PvPing, yet receive compliments in pve often, and I attribute that to the skills I've used and learned in PvP. Without PvP I don't believe I would be as good as I am in PvE.
It's no secrect that pvp'ers make the best pve'ers.
The situational awareness, on the fly thinking, and quickly reacting, etc. all directly translates to pve content.
you're taking the wrong pvpers in than....and you speak in absolutes....which is absurd imo......
GM Tig Ole Critties ps5 NA small scale PvP guild
"After a hard week of farming, or a long night of being nagged by your wife, there is nothing better than going out for a bit of a fish."2
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