Probably Morrowind will be the end of ESO for me if things keep going the way they are!!

Kodrac · March 2017

bulbousb16_ESO wrote: »

Re-classfying Morrowind as "not DLC" is a little underhanded and forseeably earns some backlash.

A little backlash < zero *** given by everyone else

Tholian1 · March 2017

I hope it will be a huge success and everyone moves to Morrowind.

JKorr · March 2017

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

JKorr wrote: »

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

Typhoios wrote: »

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

LadyLavina wrote: »

good riddance to you and your whiny thread.

Seriously threads like this are like the guy in the office who always complains about how terrible the job/management/work environment is and how he's going to go get another job, but he never does and just keeps coming back despite rant after rant.

I would say to that guy what I'm going to say to you OP.

If you're going to go, just shut up and go w/o making a huge scene like a child.

People like you are the reason ZOS doesnt care about fixing the game, beacsue you will just defend whatever they do and bash anyone who diagrees.

Whenever the game crahses remember its your fault, whenever you get *** rng drops also its your fault, when you end up paying 1000$ on this game without noticing its your fault.

And your forum posts have changed what exactly? The person you responded to had the correct analogy. You keep complaining, and you keep paying. How does that make you any better? If you want ZOS to change things, stop playing and stop buying things. The poster wasn't defending ZOS, they just want you to shut up and leave. Big difference.

Well I have stopped paying for a while now, didnt preorder morrowind yet and dont intend to pay anyomre until stuff get settled, but if its just me not much change will happen

So, save yourself $10, get the expansion and the base game and the adventurers pack, make a second unsubbed account, get *8* character slots and make wardens to your heart's content.

But doing that would miss teh drama of the "evil ZOS is forcing me to buy character slots" or "evil ZOS is forcing me to spend $70".

Here you go; a link. https://account.elderscrollsonline.com/store/product/eso_morrowind_edition

What about my CP, BoP gear and purchases?

I was hoping you were joking but apparently you are not

Nope. Wasn't joking. The only things you were concerned with at length was not having a free character slot to make a warden, and paying for the expansion plus two new slots.

Any new character you make that starts from level 0 tutorial isn't going to be able to use the best in slot cp160 gear until you level anyway. You aren't subbing, so unless you bought the other dlc [like Wrothgar] you don't have access to it on your current account. If all you want is to not be "forced" to pay $70 to get the expansion and two character slots, you can get the expansion plus full game and adventurer's pack [any race any alliance and a horse, iirc] to have a second account that has the same access to the game as your current account with 8 empty character slots for $10 less.

The game has so many problems and issues for you that every time something new is offered, even crown store items, you're threatening to quit. What items did you find so necessary that you actually purchased them? Do you need them to make a warden? Your current account can mail items for deconning/whatever to your second account to level skills. Your current account can make sets of gear/food/drinks/enchants for your second account to help survivability. As for the cp; there are threads discussing the possible upcoming changes; https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/329057/cp-nerf
so that might not be a concern in the future either.

d0e1ow · March 2017

Althelas wrote: »

jircris11 wrote: »

why is it people complain like spoiled children about morrowind and the 40 USD that it will cost YET no one gives two cares about WoW that is P2P + 60 bucks for every new expansion? Also the slot issue is your OWN fault because honestly you have one of each built type (mag/stam per class). And the fact you are upset because you need to shell out 40 bucks for morrowind and DO NOT care about the vast amount of content they are adding along with the class. Its not like melemancer for deiablo 3 where you will need to buy the class alone and knowing them it will be 30 bucks.

Maybe because in wow you get what you pay for along with good customer service when you need help with an issue. In eso we have the same 4 crap mounts sines the game launch, theirs no fun rewards for doing anything in this game, you want something rewarding? then open your wallet and go to the crown store

This is my biggest gripe with the game tbh.

starlizard70ub17_ESO · March 2017

Balamoor wrote: »

Ahhh another Slot/ Crown Crate rant...and right on schedule too.

The same people keep complaining and threatening to leave but they never actually do....

If only, if only...

and no, I don't want their stuff either.

KanedaSyndrome · March 2017

My biggest concern is the PvP sustain nerfs that will hit my PVE play. Will I ever be able to do as good as the top scorers in the trials who got their scores before the sustain nerfs to CP?

S1ipperyJim · March 2017

jircris11 wrote: »

why is it people complain like spoiled children about morrowind and the 40 USD that it will cost YET no one gives two cares about WoW that is P2P + 60 bucks for every new expansion? Also the slot issue is your OWN fault because honestly you have one of each built type (mag/stam per class). And the fact you are upset because you need to shell out 40 bucks for morrowind and DO NOT care about the vast amount of content they are adding along with the class. Its not like melemancer for deiablo 3 where you will need to buy the class alone and knowing them it will be 30 bucks.

1.It's not an expansion. That's not me saying it, it's ZOS. IF it were an expansion (which it's not) than it would not be equivalent to WoW as their expansions hold literally 10 x the content.
2.It's objectively too expensive by any measure, fanboys and shills can say what they like it doesn't change that.
3.It is not even remotely a "vast amount of content" especially considering that ESO+ subscribers got DLC that was close to equivalent for free previously.
4.Character slots currently available are intended to support the current game with 4 classes, it is entirely reasonable to expect another 25% free characters slots to account for a 25% increase in classes by adding the new class to the existing 4 classes, especially in view of the aforementioned exorbitant cost of the chapter

Deadfinger6 · March 2017

Everyone seems to be playing a different game to me.....I have a character (yes 1) i use character to explore Tamriel and quest. I find new *** for character, i get a house for him. I'm happy, he's happy. I don't even know if he's stam or Mag. I'll get Caldwell's done but there still seems to be tons of other stuff to do

SydneyGrey · March 2017

Why do you need 10 characters?
-- Not being a smart**s here, just really, really wondering. I don't see how it's possible to be super committed to 10 different characters and play them all. I mean, I can understand wanting to try out a character for each class just to try the different playstyles, but 10?

ADarklore · March 2017

MrBrandon wrote: »

GreenhaloX wrote: »

If anything more are getting nerfed with the upcoming Morrowind.. that is likely the cold turkey for me! I have been on the fence since nerfing of some of the stam skills with the housing updates.

I feel the same way. Looking at the possible changes to CP next patch, not really interested in playing if I'm going to be running out of resources ten seconds into a fight.

Yeah, heaven forbid you might have to slot Cost Reduction glyphs in your jewelry and remove those stacking damage glyphs... which is exactly why ZOS is removing cost reduction from CP. For far too long players have had their cake and eat it too... being able to have high damage AND high sustain... with Morrowind it will be time to choose ONE.

Bigevilpeter · March 2017

SydneyGrey wrote: »

Why do you need 10 characters?
-- Not being a smart**s here, just really, really wondering. I don't see how it's possible to be super committed to 10 different characters and play them all. I mean, I can understand wanting to try out a character for each class just to try the different playstyles, but 10?

When you level all the skill lines, Horse training lore books undaunted alliance etc. deleting a character is not an option.

When I have a magika and stamina of each class thats 8 characters, so its not too much. With Warden I will need 2 more

STEVIL · March 2017

SydneyGrey wrote: »

Why do you need 10 characters?
-- Not being a smart**s here, just really, really wondering. I don't see how it's possible to be super committed to 10 different characters and play them all. I mean, I can understand wanting to try out a character for each class just to try the different playstyles, but 10?

"need"?

more like "want" and me heck i want to buy two more slots right now.

jircris11 · March 2017

Althelas wrote: »

jircris11 wrote: »

why is it people complain like spoiled children about morrowind and the 40 USD that it will cost YET no one gives two cares about WoW that is P2P + 60 bucks for every new expansion? Also the slot issue is your OWN fault because honestly you have one of each built type (mag/stam per class). And the fact you are upset because you need to shell out 40 bucks for morrowind and DO NOT care about the vast amount of content they are adding along with the class. Its not like melemancer for deiablo 3 where you will need to buy the class alone and knowing them it will be 30 bucks.

Maybe because in wow you get what you pay for along with good customer service when you need help with an issue. In eso we have the same 4 crap mounts sines the game launch, theirs no fun rewards for doing anything in this game, you want something rewarding? then open your wallet and go to the crown store

same with WoW, you only get that stuff because you PAY for it. you pay for the sub,base game, EACH EXPANSION (unless new accounts are made) and guess what you can fork out 12-30 bucks for a mount on there too. As for their CS i have had the same experience with them and eso's so yea, not really a good argument on that. Bottom line is you can not demand an expansion when you get MORE then your 15 bucks is worth each month on eso. IF you remember when eso was a p2p game CS was one of the best out there.

@bulbousb16_ESO we where promised DLC think back to ALL the dlc we got for "free" with the sub. now compare it to what morrowind is adding. There is a night and day difference there is no under-handing it is simple marketing. Something that most of the morons on this forums seem to not understand. then again most the people on here are over entitled brats.

SydneyGrey · March 2017

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

When you level all the skill lines, Horse training lore books undaunted alliance etc. deleting a character is not an option.
When I have a magika and stamina of each class thats 8 characters, so its not too much. With Warden I will need 2 more

Makes sense.

S1ipperyJim · March 2017

SydneyGrey wrote: »

Why do you need 10 characters?
-- Not being a smart**s here, just really, really wondering. I don't see how it's possible to be super committed to 10 different characters and play them all. I mean, I can understand wanting to try out a character for each class just to try the different playstyles, but 10?

A lot of people have one dps of each class (which all play differently) and one each of magicka and stamina, then maybe a tank and a healer = 10 slots

Youarc · March 2017

I've played a ton of MMO's and I can tell you that ESO has a lot going for it. Seriously, it's never been more true that you get what you pay for. If you want free stuff there are plenty of games out there just screaming to welcome you in with loving arms and then smash you with microtransactions far worse than anything you've yet encountered paying ZOS. ESO and Realm Reborn are my two most recent played MMOs... both I paid money for/to play and both were/are extremely enjoyable.

But on a final note as you're on your way out:
You know where you left us. If you find the completely free MMO with 0 bugs (even for brand new expansions to said game), 0 repetitive PvE, flawless community in and out of PvP, impeccable reputation, and perfectly balanced difficulty through and through.... Please drop in and let us know what it is

Gods know I've looked lmao.

AFrostWolf · March 2017

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

Don't you get two extra slots with the expansion?

no

Kay1 · March 2017

Typhoios wrote: »

So you play PvE 90% of the time, but you aren't interested in Morrowind at all? You just want to level two Wardens through the content you've already done 8 times? What exactly do you do for endgame? Just dungeons? vMA? Morrowind offers a new trial, but you said you're not interested in that, so I guess you don't do trials.

Can we just call this like it really is? This is the second thread (that I've seen) from you about being mad about not getting free character slots for the Warden. That's fine. Complain about that if you want, but I have a hard time believing that a person who plays 90% PvE has no interest in a large PvE expansion, that offers new quests, exploration, a new trial, and I'm going to assume a decent amount of new gear sets. You can be upset about not getting free character slots without the hyperbole of paying $70 dollars for only a new class. I highly doubt you'll avoid Morrowind, or any gear drops, crafting stations etc... that come with it. You're getting more for that $40 than you're pretending.

I'm still impressed by people who do quests in this game, Open World PvE in this game is not only rewardless and empty but it also boring, easy and you feel like you haven't done anything, if you compare to others game where events are still played even by players with 3 years into the game because of their rewards and how funny they are ESO looks ridiculous, you complete a quest, you get a blue item that you can sell for 48 gold and you're done, in others game questing and events gives incredibly good rewards, yellow-orange items, mats, gold, bags to open for more rewards and another currency all at the same time not only one, in ESO besides Trials, vMsa and PvP I won't do anything because of how boring and rewardless is the rest, well, PvP is rewardless also but Zenimax have created the best MMO PvP game in the wolrd so I'm not gonna complain about my Charged Resto staff of Fury that I receive every 5 minutes.

zaria · March 2017

STEVIL wrote: »

SydneyGrey wrote: »

Why do you need 10 characters?
-- Not being a smart**s here, just really, really wondering. I don't see how it's possible to be super committed to 10 different characters and play them all. I mean, I can understand wanting to try out a character for each class just to try the different playstyles, but 10?

"need"?

more like "want" and me heck i want to buy two more slots right now.

Yes, and I fail to understand why its an limit on character slots you have to buy in the first place.

S1ipperyJim wrote: »

jircris11 wrote: »

why is it people complain like spoiled children about morrowind and the 40 USD that it will cost YET no one gives two cares about WoW that is P2P + 60 bucks for every new expansion? Also the slot issue is your OWN fault because honestly you have one of each built type (mag/stam per class). And the fact you are upset because you need to shell out 40 bucks for morrowind and DO NOT care about the vast amount of content they are adding along with the class. Its not like melemancer for deiablo 3 where you will need to buy the class alone and knowing them it will be 30 bucks.

1.It's not an expansion. That's not me saying it, it's ZOS. IF it were an expansion (which it's not) than it would not be equivalent to WoW as their expansions hold literally 10 x the content.
2.It's objectively too expensive by any measure, fanboys and shills can say what they like it doesn't change that.
3.It is not even remotely a "vast amount of content" especially considering that ESO+ subscribers got DLC that was close to equivalent for free previously.
4.Character slots currently available are intended to support the current game with 4 classes, it is entirely reasonable to expect another 25% free characters slots to account for a 25% increase in classes by adding the new class to the existing 4 classes, especially in view of the aforementioned exorbitant cost of the chapter

Technically an expansion is additional content who comes on an disc. it might also be download but has to have an disc option.
Dlc is download only.
Size is irrelevant, Shivering isles for Oblivion was an expansion even if less content than the Orsinium ESO dlc.
And no Morrowind does not look so much larger than Orsinium in size or content you are right here.

Egonieser · March 2017

kevlarto_ESO wrote: »

The Morrowind update has 30 hours of content which is not a lot for the price, that is why the dev's do not call it an expansion, a real expansion which would cost about the same and have 100's of hours content loaded with new features and QOL, double or triple the size of the world.

I am very disappointed at the manner in which ZOS handles their game when it comes to fixes and bugs, exploiters and cheaters, things that affect us all in a negative way.

I do enjoy the pve in this game, and I will enjoy Morrowind I am sure, but I could enjoy it more if the long loading screens were fixed along with long list of other bugs we all know have been in the game for far to long.

That's 30h just for the main story, not all the side quests, trial, exploration etc.

Not sure if i can ever recall a game where an expansion is double or triple the size of the world, especially a MMO. Care to provide an example? I truly am curious. In MMO's an expansion is usually just a new map, some minor additions to the gameplay and (maybe) a new game mechanic every few of them or a new class, new dungeons and/or raids (trials in ESO), all of which are present in Morrowind. So it certainly qualifies as an expansion by every standard in the industry. Whether I agree on their pricing and business approach is another matter but in regards to what is or is not an expansion, Morrowind certainly is.

Nerouyn · March 2017

JKorr wrote: »

So, save yourself $10, get the expansion and the base game and the adventurers pack, make a second unsubbed account, get *8* character slots and make wardens to your heart's content.

This is a moronic suggestion.

Can we share mounts, costumes and the like with second accounts? Achievements for all the dyes? Champion Points?

No, no and no again.

raglau · March 2017

jircris11 wrote: »

IF you remember when eso was a p2p game CS was one of the best out there.

Whilst the game itself is not too bad, ESO customer service has been dreadful since day one.

Egonieser wrote: »

Not sure if i can ever recall a game where an expansion is double or triple the size of the world, especially a MMO. Care to provide an example? I truly am curious. In MMO's an expansion is usually just a new map, some minor additions to the

Trion tripled the world size with Rift's first expansion, but it did not really work out for them for a number of reasons. In many ways the game was preferable when the world was smaller as it felt more populated.

I'll reserve judgement on Morrowind until I've actually played it. If the expansion is of Wrothgar size and quality then I think it will do OK. But the other DLC has all been bland and entirely missable, so there's obviously the risk that Zenimax drop the ball here once more.

Jitterbug · March 2017

ZOS_JohanaB wrote: »

A few comments have been removed from this thread. Please take care to follow the community rules when posting. While you may not agree with OP's opinion that does not give you reason to be rude or bait others.

Seriously @ZOS_JohanaB you should be a preschool teacher or something. Your skills are unmatched!

Nerouyn · March 2017

praglaud wrote: »

Whilst the game itself is not too bad, ESO customer service has been dreadful since day one.

That's not true. At launch ESO's CS was peerless. They were fantastic.

Not so much now though. Their auto-response system which keeps replying to you asking to reply over and over and over and over and over and over and over again if the problem hasn't magically solved itself is more than a little bit sadistic.

JDC1985 · March 2017

If them stupid cp changes go through I'm done completely

raglau · March 2017

Nerouyn wrote: »

praglaud wrote: »

Whilst the game itself is not too bad, ESO customer service has been dreadful since day one.

That's not true. At launch ESO's CS was peerless. They were fantastic.
.

You must have been speaking to different customer service staff than I back then! Whilst I do agree service was definitely better than it is now, it was in no way commensurate with a 'paid for' service. I don't blame the service desk staff themselves for this, it's a management failing. Very likely Zenimax just want to do it all on the cheap and this is reflected in the hiring of low skill support staff who have a general lack of morale and low interest in their jobs.

Duiwel · March 2017

OP if you don't want to buy a character slot you could always:

A - delete a character

OR

B - Use the Morrowind expansion as a new account, since you get the basegame.

That is IF you just want to play the Warden and NOT have to buy a new character slot or DELETE a current character of yours.

So you are not entirely out of options

Wolfshead · March 2017

Wait now OP just for you dont want to pay for Morrowind you think that will be the end of ESO i so love this doomsayer it look like the are in all MMO for as soon a "expansion" get announcements all doomsayer come out from wood work.

If you dont like morrowind that fine and it is up if want pay for it or not no one force you to buy it BUT i know many MMO that get a "expansion" most know problem in most cases get fix.

And how do i know this well i have been on MMO scene since 1981 and play many different MMO since that

kongkim · March 2017

Most of all it just sounds like you need a break from the game.
Personal i don't have any big problems with the things you have. ofc. some of the things can be made better. But nothing that break the game for me or make me go mad about it.

WhoThenNow7 · March 2017

So.. you said you play PVE 90% of the time, yet you aren't interested in anything about the DLC (mostly new PVE content) besides the new class.. yeah, you lost me.