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Who Has More Surviveability, StamDk or MagDK?

Mashille
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Had a discussion with someone about this earlier. Who do you think is more surviveable out of StamDK and MagDK? I am not 100% sure however I lean towards MagDK.

Edit: forgot to mention I am talking from a PvP standpoint where the player can also still fight and kill people while being survivable, not just building full tank.

Stam DK:

-Vigor
-Rally
-Roll Dodging
-15% Dodge Chance

Mag DK:

-Permablocking (I know not everyone can / does but most do_
-Burning Embers
-Dragon's Blood
-Lava Whip Proc
-Inhale
-Wings (Maybe)


What do you guys think?
Edited by Mashille on March 16, 2017 8:12AM
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Who Has More Surviveability, StamDk or MagDK? 51 votes

Magicka DK has more Surviveability
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Stamina DK has more Surviveability
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  • alexkdd99
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    Not sure but you left out wings. I main a sorc and I find wings the most annoying thing to run into.
  • mtwiggz
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    Stamina DK has more Surviveability
    I would say StamDK. As the majority of the heals for a MagDK rely on actually hitting your opponent, other than Dragon Blood. Both are incredibly tanky if built and played properly, both can also permablock if built that way.
  • Lexxypwns
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    Stamina DK has more Surviveability
    I think not only is sDK overall stronger in most pvp situations, its definitely more tanky.
  • Mashille
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    Magicka DK has more Surviveability
    @alexkdd99

    Thanks for the reminder
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  • IcyDeadPeople
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    The most tanky I've seen are magicka DKs but with all the attribute points into stamina like Escorpiao Nocturno (so I guess technically a kind of hybrid)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XdtFpeWuLCw
  • NBrookus
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    Stamina DK has more Surviveability
    Stam DK. When was the last time you saw a magDK guard tank?

    Escorp is pretty unique and very good at what he does.
  • Duiwel
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    @IcyDeadPeople just lol @ those poor scrubs :smiley:
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  • IcyDeadPeople
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    Duiwel wrote: »
    @IcyDeadPeople just lol @ those poor scrubs :smiley:

    He has been tanking pretty tough players for a long time with similar build.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FnhKtgK8C1Y

  • Enslaved
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    Magicka DK has more Surviveability
    mDK by far. mDK can use dampen magicka and igneous shield as well.
  • Sharee
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    Not sure why you put permablock as a mDK advantage.

    Stam DK can permablock better (IMHO) because helping hands returns stamina as a percentage of stam pool, so the bigger the stam pool, the more effective it is. A stam DK in heavy armor can hold block and use the magicka he gets from constitution to cast igneous shield, which generates enough stamina to continue blocking until constitution charges up another igneous cast = perma block.

    A mDK trying to do this will get back less stamina from each igneous cast(because of low stam pool) -> needs to cast igneous more often -> igneous casts use up more magicka than what constitution gives -> loses magicka and eventually runs out = no permablock.
    Edited by Sharee on March 16, 2017 7:46AM
  • Enslaved
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    Magicka DK has more Surviveability
    Sharee wrote: »
    Not sure why you put permablock as a mDK advantage.

    Stam DK can permablock better (IMHO) because helping hands returns stamina as a percentage of stam pool, so the bigger the stam pool, the more effective it is. A stam DK in heavy armor can hold block and use the magicka he gets from constitution to cast igneous shield, which generates enough stamina to continue blocking until constitution charges up another igneous cast = perma block.

    A mDK trying to do this will get back less stamina from each igneous cast -> needs to cast igneous more often -> igneous casts use up more magicka than what constitution gives -> loses magicka and eventually runs out = no permablock.

    Not to forget permablocking with a ice staff. Drains magicka and not stamina.
  • Sharee
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    Enslaved wrote: »
    Sharee wrote: »
    Not sure why you put permablock as a mDK advantage.

    Stam DK can permablock better (IMHO) because helping hands returns stamina as a percentage of stam pool, so the bigger the stam pool, the more effective it is. A stam DK in heavy armor can hold block and use the magicka he gets from constitution to cast igneous shield, which generates enough stamina to continue blocking until constitution charges up another igneous cast = perma block.

    A mDK trying to do this will get back less stamina from each igneous cast -> needs to cast igneous more often -> igneous casts use up more magicka than what constitution gives -> loses magicka and eventually runs out = no permablock.

    Not to forget permablocking with a ice staff. Drains magicka and not stamina.

    That does not really help. Permablock relies on helping hands passive, which restores stamina, not magicka, so using ice staff you will be even worse off (permablock-wise) than with a shield. Also, the lowest possible block cost (88 stam IIRC) is only achievable with a shield.
    Edited by Sharee on March 16, 2017 7:50AM
  • Mashille
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    Magicka DK has more Surviveability
    @Sharee

    That may be true but I'm talking about them actually being good in a fight too, so being able to fight people and kill people while being survivable rather then only being survivable, I put PermaBlock for MagDK as in proper fights StamDK can't really do that as it needs Stamina for its offence and abilities. And MagDK can PermaBlock while still putting out good damage and killing people in a fight.
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  • Enslaved
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    Magicka DK has more Surviveability
    What I wanted to say is you can have s&b on one bar and ice staff on other, making you a permablock beast.
    Also, what is only problem with igneous shield is that it is just 5% of your max stamina, and that aint that much on mDK compared to sDK. But still, I find blocking on mDK easier.
  • Sharee
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    Mashille wrote: »
    @Sharee

    That may be true but I'm talking about them actually being good in a fight too, so being able to fight people and kill people while being survivable rather then only being survivable, I put PermaBlock for MagDK as in proper fights StamDK can't really do that as it needs Stamina for its offence and abilities. And MagDK can PermaBlock while still putting out good damage and killing people in a fight.

    Well, the topic is strictly about survivability, so i did not go beyond that in my post. But i will say that to be able to permablock (truly permablock, not just be able to block for a while) you need block cost reduction enchants on jewelry, and that will severely limit your ability to kill. Sorcs will just outshield your damage, templars will outheal it, stam builds will go 5%->100% life in one vigor and 2 dodge rolls, etc.
  • psychotic13
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    Magicka DK is generally the more tanky I think, but a Stam DK in the right hands can be better.

    What makes the Stam DK powerful is major mending and the 12% healing from the draconic power passive, also if you're heavy that's another 8% all that combined with vigor is strong as hell
  • Asmael
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    In on 1 on 1 situation, definitely mag DK, just incredible incoming healing as long as you keep pressuring your opponent.

    Outnumbered, stam DK due to the scaling of block / dodge roll which are both more manageable on a stam character.
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  • Vapirko
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    I play in Azuras star, so idk about ch pts, but from what I've learned the best DK builds run a sort of stam/mag combo. I have all my pts in stam but try to balance it out to have at least 14k magical or so which helps with igneous shield which pairs with vigor for a heal buff and dragon fire scales for reflecting. A solid magicka pool is a must. Currently with food I have around 28k stam 14k magicka and 26k health. On my next build setup I'm trying to have more in stam and magicka and slightly less in health. Unless you're just going as a tank you need to work in some damage and the ability to sustain through fights. DKs are not bursty. You need to calculate your attack and defense together and then use monster sets like Selene to help with burst, bloodspawn for crazy amounts of dragon leap.
  • Anhedonie
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    Stamina DK has more Surviveability
    This might be far from how things are in reality, but I just almost never die as stamDK.
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  • Ocelot9x
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    Magicka DK has more Surviveability
    Lol stamina DK gas more survivability? I've seen many Mdk tanking 5-10 people using deep breath, vampires,mist and all the creazy heals mdk have. Stamina guys need to hug a tree or they're dead with all the undodgeable skill zeni has given to xv1 players
  • Duiwel
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    @IcyDeadPeople oh I didn't doubt his ability. I merely felt bad for the reds :wink:
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  • Chilla_Deluxe
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    The most tanky I've seen are magicka DKs but with all the attribute points into stamina like Escorpiao Nocturno (so I guess technically a kind of hybrid)

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  • Isellskooma
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    Magicka DK has more Surviveability
    MagicDk, they can't tank as long as a Stam dk, but does wayyyyyyy more damage then Stam dk, faster at killing. So that's why my vote goes for magdk.
    Edited by Isellskooma on March 16, 2017 12:24PM
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    alexkdd99 wrote: »
    Not sure but you left out wings. I main a sorc and I find wings the most annoying thing to run into.

    He left out the most important survivability skill to begin with. Wings is just secondary.
  • GreenhaloX
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    Stamina DK has more Surviveability
    MagicDk, they can't tank as long as a Stam dk, but does wayyyyyyy more damage then Stam dk, faster at killing. So that's why my vote goes for magdk.

    Nahh, stamDK all the way! I've played both and the majicka skillsets are (to me) an acquired taste, which, I haven't been able to acquire. Ha ha.
  • GreenhaloX
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    Stamina DK has more Surviveability
    I'm sure magDK is formidable with the right user, but (for me) I move much quicker with a stam DW.. dance like a butterfly and sting like a "wasp." Ha ha. Plus, using the 2H greatsword with the other DoTs and stam-based skillsets in a rotation, an adds/mobs or bosses still go down fast.
  • EldritchPenguin
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    Magicka DK has more Surviveability
    In terms of a PvE DPS setup, MagDK absolutely has more survivability than a StamDK. Vigor can't really compete with Harness Magicka in that situation, because Vigor can't make the difference between surviving a single powerful burst attack and not surviving it.
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