mrfrontman wrote: »

You shouldn't be on the internet if you take what people say seriously when they're trying to offend you, let alone a MMORPG.

The only opinion that matters online is yours, it doesn't matter what anybody behind a computer screen, half way across the world thinks. If you believe that we, as human beings, have the right to judge one another then you've already lost.

To also clear things up, there really is no such thing as a "bully". You are the one that creates the bully by empowering them. Take away power from a "bully" and what have you got?

Words fail me.

If we extend your logic, we do not need race hate laws because if you take offence at anything anyone else says or does to you, it is your fault for 'empowering' them.

Nice one centurian... nice one.

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO wrote: »

Normally don't add my two cents to post like this I generally just get over things people say and do but as a black male that only plays Argonians the slave jokes are just not funny. For obvious reasons they hit home.

I play Argonians with lore appropriate names, and I get whispers like this from Dunmer RPers a lot. I'm not sure how I could enjoy RPing a character who revels in viciously antagonizing people about their history as slaves, but to each their own.

I do my very best to give these folks the benefit of the doubt, and I do believe that most are just dedicated RPers looking for an immersive story. However, I can't help but think that it sure would provide a convenient veil for genuine bigots looking to antagonize people. And the length to which some people take it (i.e. explicit references to sexual slavery and violence) makes me wonder even more.

Report players that break TOS.

Ignore players as needed.

Obviously that kind of behavior isn't acceptable.

Also, I'm not responsible for other people's behavior so I'm not exactly sure what it is you expect me or the community to do about it. We can report players when we experience them breaking TOS but it's not like we can go around reporting people based on stuff other people said they did.

Tabbycat wrote: »

... Also, I'm not responsible for other people's behavior so I'm not exactly sure what it is you expect me or the community to do about it.

Discussing the problem diplomatically is a good place to start.

If we can humanize some of the victims of overt bigotry in the eyes of their abusers maybe we can curb their toxic behaviour over time. Also, if we can send a clear message that this kind of behaviour won't be tollerated in our community (guild leaders, I'm looking at you) there may come a time when people just won't feel the need to hit that Ignore button.

We have to try anyway. Inaction comes with it's own consequences, and it looks a hell of a lot like complicity from the position of victims.

JinMori wrote: »

ForsakenSin wrote: »

Its a shame this is happening, i have to admit i don't come across people like that except once when i heard one young guy maybe 13 years old saying N word and swearing towards random people in area chat in deshan .. so i got onto the mic and i told him " you do realize you can get permanently banned account for the things you are saying right? " and he said " ohh really? im sorry .... he stooped swearing and then he said he is scared of my deep voice and ran off "



you know why he ran away ? " BECAUSE IM BATMAN "


But joke aside racism and all of the bullying ect should be 3 day banned if evidence is provided

Is the N word only racist when white people do it?

Actually interesting thing to ask i have friends of many different countries and i know quiet allot of African american who view that word as racist even if/when is said by another African American, their reason is that by saying it in rap songs or a way to say hello ect it diminishes the meaning of the word as it is view as a "cool thing" and not the actual meaning of the word which is degrading to him and reflects the hardship his ancestors went through.

And yet there a other African Americans who want to use that word to show they are not subjected to that anymore and thus by making a horrible word such as that and been able to make it their thing as a every day word ,it shows how they are able to overcome those bad times how strong they become and are able to overpower it and own the word.

As i am not African american I am not a expert in either one of those views presented, that is not my place i am simply stating what i was told.

I do know i would never say that word.

At the end of the day there are allot of things that can be viewed as racists and bullying i guess the thing to take is this, before you say something to a person because your angry/ upset lashing out be aware of it and think a bit.

.. damm it when did i become whats the word .. serious, fellings thingy ..

BTW if there is a pug with high cp who is constantly staying in red and getting killed over 20 times in a vet dungeon then blaming the tank and healer even when you are trying to explain to him the mechanics and still not listening to you saying he has done this over 100 times ( and then asks the tank why he is not doing DPS) and then proceeds to use light bow attacks ... fell free to call him a idiot that is not bullying its just stating the fact.

Lol. Just lol. I don't feel sorry for you or your friend sorry. Don't you have real life issues to worry about? Rather than worrying about some *** tard on his mommys couch.

Pumpkin_pants wrote: »

Jeremy wrote: »

alexkdd99 wrote: »

andreasranasen wrote: »

Here comes the people defending this type of behavior saying you can just block/ignore. You tell a bullied kid in school to just ignore bullies? To walk another way to the cafeteria so he won't bump into the bullies? By just ignoring you're making this type of behavior acceptable and others may start behaving the same way.

Ummm no. You hand them a warning, if done again, you give them the permaban! If your parents wasn't able to raise you right you have no business playing a game with thousands of other people.

Lol in school you can't place someone on ignore list. That analogy was horrible. You have complete control over who you interact with in eso. If you choose to interact with people who abuse you then that is on you.

A kid being bullied in school doesn't have that option, he has to go to school. Also someone being bullied in person has the possibility of being physically harmed. Surely you see the huge flaws in your analogy. You have complete control with who you interact with online.

I am not defending anyone actions, but rather pointing out a very obvious solution. If people choose not to take action by placing the person on ignore then I would wager it must not of been bothering them very much.

There is a reason most game note that they can't place a rating on online gameplay. But nearly every game I have played place the option in the players hand, by allowing them to ignore/ block the person. If you choose not to that is on you.

Agreed. It was a ridiculous comparison and I can't believe his/her post got so much support. It's also demeaning to those who actually are bullied at school to compare that to someone choosing to read offensive internet text. So if anything was insulting I would say that analogy was.

This is a problem that already has an available solution just as you say. Expecting ZOS employees to waste valuable time and resources dealing with insignificant problems like these is a waste.

The OP already replied to that comment and admitted it was a bad comparison. ^^ read the thread pls.

Where I am glad the author of the OP recognizes how inane that particular analogy was - what is your point?

In other words: what difference does it make if the OP replied to that comment or not? My post was not directed at the OP.

bearclawmcbainb16_ESO wrote: »

andreasranasen wrote: »

An ignore button is not enough for me. I will go on a Making-Sure-You-Get-Banned-Purge.

See if you can spot the SJW in the room.

Then you need to read up what a SJW means

"A social justice warrior, or SJW, does not necessarily strongly believe all that they say, or even care about the groups they are fighting on behalf of."

Good try to be "funny" tho

Common decency is free and it doesn't hurt to use it.


If we all pay taxes to keep up the public park and one person comes in and starts screaming vile stuff and singling out people to harass with offensive language (anti race/ gender/ religious/ etc language clearly defined as hate speech) do we just all shrug and tell the victims to ignore it? No, we call the cops and that harasser gets committed for a mandatory 48 hours.


We all paid an admission fee to play here, we all deserve neutrality if not decency.


Also there are plenty of ways to insult each other without hate speech. Why is this video game making people so angry they have to jump to the literal worst words? Call people *** or fwad or any number of creative epithets. If you get so heated over a video game you have to bring up anti race/ religious/ etc language, then you should go outside and take a breath - those people are the ones that "should worry about real life issues" -- those are the ones who are "too sensitive" to handle a game-- those are the triggered ones because those are the ones making extreme knee jerk reactions.

Don't let these guys fool you into making you think you are weak for requesting basic manners. They are the weak ones who can't handle a video game and so need to take others down by insulting their ethnicity.

Report them, let them learn manners here if their parents won't teach them. I deal with enough covert and overt racism in the real world, I refuse to "let it go" during my entertainment.

(lol These "bullies" are the attention seeking whiners who really wanted the participation trophy but didn't get one for being unruly. You'll find that bigots actually feel a lot of fear of being outclassed, outnumbered and out performed by those they deem "lesser". They are full of fear, it's why they lash out like cornered animals. )

The only issue I see with the advice to just put them on ignore.. is that list has a limited number of spaces..

i can understand a limit on the friends list, but the ignore list should have no limit..

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I had someone tell me just last night that I (or actually my toon) had a nice posterior....but that's not quite how it was said. I decided to be flattered rather than offended as my toon is very well built.....like I used to be. I didn't feel the need to mention that I am probably old enough to send him to bed without dinner.

I can't say I've been bullied on here though, but I don't generally spend much time looking at what is being said in chat. And if something offends me, I know how to ignore and report. I was picked on all through my childhood, so I know words hurt. I'll always take up for the under dog or defend a friend or loved one.

Talking smack can be a lot of fun and I don't see anything wrong with that, but kindness really doesn't take much effort or energy.

Madness

andreasranasen wrote: »

Here comes the people defending this type of behavior saying you can just block/ignore. You tell a bullied kid in school to just ignore bullies? To walk another way to the cafeteria so he won't bump into the bullies? By just ignoring you're making this type of behavior acceptable and others may start behaving the same way.

Ummm no. You hand them a warning, if done again, you give them the permaban! If your parents wasn't able to raise you right you have no business playing a game with thousands of other people.


EDIT: Ignoring/Blocking is an option yes. Is it helping the community though? Not really. These hateful people will continue spreading their hate to another person when he/she is done with you. People can say whatever they want about me. I can handle it. But not everyone can. I will have anyones back if you are being discriminated in-game for your race/sexual preferences/sexism. I don't tolerate that kind of BS. An ignore button is not enough for me. I will go on a Making-Sure-You-Get-Banned-Purge.

On console you can mute them but they can just use the chat feature to continue. Theres this dude on xbox that harassed players he got banned eventually but he paid for another account (400+cp) and to this day still harasses players but he doesnt do it as much I just wish he would get his paid for account banned since he refuses to stop. They need to add a feature on console that makes the people you block or mute unable to whisper to you and you be unable to see what they say in zone area or whatever chat they are trying to type in.

rentalman UK wrote: »

Has any one suffered racist remarks, comments, sexual comments,sexist comments. If so what did you do about it. And was the matter resolved ?


The reason I ask this is that a close friend of mine has been pvping a lot. And as a result he receives a lot of racist comments to say the least. He is not the only one, people suffer from a variety of issues. Ausburgurs syndrome. Self confidence. Interacting with others as not feeling accepted or being ridiculed due to mental state. Where certain players do not see the funny side as there health does not compute the humour eg telling a player he is not good to put politely and socialy uninteractable. But that player takes it literally that the person who made the comment that they are correct which leads them to be depressed and feel they are not socialy acceptable.

Reference to mentaly challenged
Reference to ancestors
Reference to slave trade
Reference to sexuality
General moral damaging comments. He has logged his concerns and awaits the result if any. But what about whispers in chat how are they noted,reported

This seems to be common in pvp. Especially when a player is doing well. To give a example another friend became emp. All he got was whispers of threats and whispers of tellung him to do harm to himself

I ask is this not acceptable and what can be done eg whispers as this seems to be on the increase and has a effect on players moral and questions there whole playing of the game. These guys that receive theses comments are nice guys so why I ask


Please add comments and thoughts as I belive this is a big topic in online gaming eg tamriel one

Thank you in advance

Best advice: grow thick skin.
Lige sucks. Life is mean. If word on the internet are a problem, real life is not going to go well.

I've reported it with screen shot but they just tell you to ignore them, there are specific rules which get people banned but simple trash talk even racist won't do it. For my part I usually call people out on it in zone chat, it mostly ends up being for things like dropping the N word or openly sexist remarks. I don't care if other people don't care, I think it's unnecessary and disrespectful and I'd rather speak up on the off chance someone is playing who feels affected. Just because it's the internet and gaming world doesn't mean we have to perpetuate this stuff. There's nothing cool about being jaded to it.