BruceLeeroy91 wrote: »

Why does everyone who votes "No I'll level to 50" seem to forget about the horse grind?

They're not forgetting. They don't want class change and know perfectly well that the horse feeding and research trait grind takes six plus months to complete. Just like they know that levelling a character to 50 is a trivial task.

This is a straw man argument : "You want class change because you're too lazy to level a character to 50."

O_LYKOS wrote: »

People shouldn't be handed the ability to change class on a plate. You should level a character. Learn how to use it. Learn how it's abilities work. Not just use a token a boom you have a fully level character of your choice.

And for those mocking someone who said it takes 5 days to level, it can. Not everybody has friends or are in guilds who can speed level them to 50 in a few hours.

See comment above yours about this argument being weak...again I point out that the huge draw of a class change token is to avoid the slog of having a crumby horse for several months.

Grinding from 1-50 isn't hard, yea we all get that. I seriously don't think anyone arguing for a class change token wants it for this reason. This argument is just silly. No one defending the absence of the class change token even acknowledges the constant comments about not wanting it for the levels but for the unavoidable time grind that is horse training (and some about the crafting research).

To everyone arguing why you don't want it, start rebutting against the points being made in support of the tokens instead of just continuing to beat the dead horse that is "no grinding to 50 is easy, learn your class, git gud, blah blah blah"

People are very quick to complain about the lack of content, then when something new comes along like a whole new class they want to switch a maxed out character to it instantly with the result that the day after the update launches they'll be complaining again about the lack of content.

I think people might underestimate just how much of the game is based on time limitations, gold, and (so much) RNG. It's not just the level up to 50 (as someone said, reverting them back to level 3 would be completely fine for most).
Yes, there's the horse training and trait research, but there's also the motifs, recipes, skyshards, lorebooks, holiday event items and achievements, storyline completions, and more tedious achievements (like General Executioner, or the trophies).
Someone that has worked very hard, and invested months in a character shouldn't necessarily have to start over if they like a new class more (it wasn't exactly their choice not to pick that class).

I always main a healer, when I can. When I first played, I started with a Sorcerer (since it sounded like the main "Magic" one), and I played with her for a while. Then, I realized Templars were the ones with dedicated skill lines, and I made a new one. I totally wish I could have just done a class change (my main had a lot of research and motifs done, completed the main storyline, DC storyline, and Dark Brotherhood storyline), but I'm not gonna be all fussy about it because I should have looked into the classes before spending weeks on my character.

But, with new classes, its not your fault you didn't main them, and it sucks that after all of the time, gold, and crowns you might spend, if you truly like the new class better and you want to main that class, you have to start over because they've added new options in an area your characters are locked into.

Thinking about people into the "prestige" of hard PvE content, or possible PvP fairness, I can see valid arguments for not wanting class change tokens--some of the people that are opposed to account-wide titles don't want people to be able to get some titles (like ones that come with Maelstrom Arena, I'd think) on one class, then get to use it on another. And, if you could always just pay to change your class, some people would probably always change their mains to the most OP class of the patch (if there ever is one).
I might not really agree with these arguments, but I can understand them.

But, having a 1-off change to warden (and any new classes that come out in the future) wouldn't be so bad.It could be similar to the Black Friday or Cyber Monday deal that they had.
For a limited time after the release (maybe a month), the crown store would have a purchasable New Class token (for a reasonable price), limited to one per account. It would allow you to change one character to the new class.
There are a few possible ways they could make it work:
- Instantaneous: It would either refund your skill points and change your current character into the new class chosen, or take you back to the character select page to pick who to change.
- Class-Specific token: You get a single token that allows you to change to specific new class (Ex: Warden token) at any time. With this, you'd only have a week/month whatever after release to buy the token, but once you have it, you could potentially wait a year or more, and still be able to change a character to the class, but it would only work for one class (in this case, you would only ever be able to change a class to a warden)..
- New-Release token: You'd get a single token that allows you to change to any class defined as "New" (which would be a certain timeline, like 6 months). As with the other, you can wait. But, instead of it being tied to the class, it would be any/all classes within X months of the token being used. So, if you don't want the Warden, but you're willing to let your purchase sit and see what comes later, you'd be able to change multiple characters to a new class when you finally see one you like, by purchasing a token each time it is available.

With all of these options, there's no going back. Once you make that conversion to Warden, your character is going to be a Warden cannot be the class they used to be, nor will they have the option of being any previous class. That same character would be allowed to change to a newer class when it is released, though.

Tandor wrote: »

People are very quick to complain about the lack of content, then when something new comes along like a whole new class they want to switch a maxed out character to it instantly with the result that the day after the update launches they'll be complaining again about the lack of content.

I'm trying to understand what content is being missed by having a level 50 character. A majority of the content in Morrowind should be the land and questing, which you should be able to experience post-50.

Time spent does not equal content. "Lack of content" implies that people want more content, not more reasons to complete old content.

Take the Mazzatun style for example: You get chapters by beating the final boss of Ruins of Mazzatun, which existed before the Mazzatun style existed (or became craftable).
The only "new content" in this case is the ability to craft that style. It doesn't make the "Ruins of Mazzatun" new content--it is just old content with a new incentive to return: the ability to access this new content.

It should be viewed similarly here. The only new content for the Warden class is the class skill lines. Assuming it levels the same way other skill lines do (being slotted while gaining XP), the process of leveling it up is not new "Warden class" content. It could be separate new content (if you're completing new quests that come with Morrowind), or repeating old content (like completing the main quest line on a new character), but they aren't considered new content just because your Warden skills increased.

The main fun that would make a new class part of a remedy to "lack of content" would be the time you take actually studying the skills available, setting up a rotation, and making a build. Having a "maxed out character" would give you the skill points and gear access to be able to enjoy that content, rather than gain access to it.

Why do you feel ENTITLED to deserve having your achievements on your warden OP?

This is an MMO & in MMO's people swap out mains all the time, you want to change your main? You are welcome to, but you will put in the TIME to regain said achievements OR do what I do:

Have an achievements main and then just PLAY the other classes.