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Radiant Oppression misleading tooltip along with many others- make them fire damage!
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I've been thinking for awhile, the tooltip states that the ability does a beam of holy fire but yet the ability is based on magic damage.
Could we have that looked in to? Could we make the ability deal elemental damage as it was sorta intended to do so?
Also the tree that this ability is under is dawns wrath, I remember once we had sun flare being magic damage that was changed to being fire damage. I think we should look into this skill too. It doesn't match up for consistency
While I'm at it, Nova is also misleading and backlash too
If the dawns wrath skill tree is primarily fire damage how come so many skills as miss leading
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Edited by Nifty2g on March 12, 2017 5:19PM Could we have that looked in to? Could we make the ability deal elemental damage as it was sorta intended to do so?
Also the tree that this ability is under is dawns wrath, I remember once we had sun flare being magic damage that was changed to being fire damage. I think we should look into this skill too. It doesn't match up for consistency
While I'm at it, Nova is also misleading and backlash too
If the dawns wrath skill tree is primarily fire damage how come so many skills as miss leading
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✭✭✭✭✭This always irritated me too... the only 'fire' ability in entire Dawn's Wrath tree is Sun Fire and it's morphs. Funny how Wiki says of the skill line, "This Skill Line focuses primarily on dealing Fire Damage..." when in fact, it doesn't. It doesn't focus on fire damage at all, other than ONE skill. I would prefer the entire line be Flame damage instead of magic.CP: 2105 ** ESO+ ** ~~ ***** Strictly a solo PvE quester *****
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✭✭✭I've been thinking for awhile, the tooltip states that the ability does a beam of holy fire but yet the ability is based on magic damage.
Could we have that looked in to? Could we make the ability deal elemental damage as it was sorta intended to do so?
@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_RichLambert
I've been thinking about that recently, too, and even tried to go back and look at screenshots with that old add on that showed all damage and resistance types but couldn't decide if it was once fire back before such things particularly mattered to us before we reverse engineered how everything worked.0 -
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✭✭✭Its been magic damage since i can remember so not sure it was ever intended to be elemental damage.
A mismatch between fluff text and specifics doesn't mean the specifics is what is off.
have magplars been underperforming lately and so they need boosts? Changing this to fire would be a boost.
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✭✭✭✭The entire Dawns Wrath tree is based on Sun/Light damage. Dark Flare, Backlash, Radiant, and even Eclipse should all be Flame damage.
It's the Sun, even if Magnus made the hole,it's still straight up fireRinaldo Gandolphi-Breton Sorcerer Daggerfall Covenant
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This.RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »The entire Dawns Wrath tree is based on Sun/Light damage. Dark Flare, Backlash, Radiant, and even Eclipse should all be Flame damage.
It's the Sun, even if Magnus made the hole,it's still straight up fire
They have been under performing yes, but this also would be a great change for the Templar. Most of their damage sources are Fire Damage, I remember reflective light was magic damage but got changed to be fire damage. The same needs to happen with this skill because of the skill tree it is under.Its been magic damage since i can remember so not sure it was ever intended to be elemental damage.
A mismatch between fluff text and specifics doesn't mean the specifics is what is off.
have magplars been underperforming lately and so they need boosts? Changing this to fire would be a boost.Edited by Nifty2g on March 12, 2017 1:42PM#MOREORBS2 -
Meowmeow13Soul ShrivenRinaldoGandolphi wrote: »The entire Dawns Wrath tree is based on Sun/Light damage. Dark Flare, Backlash, Radiant, and even Eclipse should all be Flame damage.
It's the Sun, even if Magnus made the hole,it's still straight up fire
The sun, or any star for that matter, is not fire so this really doesn't make much sense. It'd be more accurate to ask that all the sun based skills of templars do plasma damage. Wooopwoop, fallout crossover! \o/4 -
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"Dawn's Wrath Skills are one of the 3 Skill Lines available to players who choose the Templar Class in Elder Scrolls Online. This Skill Line focuses primarily on dealing Fire Damage and the Passive Skills in the Line increase your effectiveness with these Skills as well as reduce the cost of abilities.."Meowmeow13 wrote: »RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »The entire Dawns Wrath tree is based on Sun/Light damage. Dark Flare, Backlash, Radiant, and even Eclipse should all be Flame damage.
It's the Sun, even if Magnus made the hole,it's still straight up fire
The sun, or any star for that matter, is not fire so this really doesn't make much sense. It'd be more accurate to ask that all the sun based skills of templars do plasma damage. Wooopwoop, fallout crossover! \o/
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Meowmeow13Soul ShrivenIf the class description says it should do fire then fair argument. I was pointing out that saying that it should do fire damage because the sun is fire is the equivalent of saying that frost atronachs should do lightning or fire damage.
I think radiant oppression is plenty powerful though as it is. If it was turned into fire damage it would need rebalancing as if it was impowered by the Silks of the Sun and BSW sets then good lord everyone will burn in PvP.0 -
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Even if it was changed to fire damage, it wouldn't be as strong as it was. But its pretty weak as it is, so maybe changing it to how it was actually said to be in the tooltip would be fair changeMeowmeow13 wrote: »If the class description says it should do fire then fair argument. I was pointing out that saying that it should do fire damage because the sun is fire is the equivalent of saying that frost atronachs should do lightning or fire damage.
I think radiant oppression is plenty powerful though as it is. If it was turned into fire damage it would need rebalancing as if it was impowered by the Silks of the Sun and BSW sets then good lord everyone will burn in PvP.
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Meowmeow13Soul ShrivenHmmm I still see the skill used in PvP and in endgame trials pulling very nice damage so I think it's in a good place as it is. Sure it does no damage at all outside of execute range but that's a player issue and not the skills problem.
If it's recast as fire damage to satisfy the skill line then it'd need rebalancing again otherwise templars will become even more terrifying to low health targets.2 -
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What Sun?RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »The entire Dawns Wrath tree is based on Sun/Light damage. Dark Flare, Backlash, Radiant, and even Eclipse should all be Flame damage.
It's the Sun, even if Magnus made the hole,it's still straight up fire
Plus, by that logic, stars aren't fire, they are made up of hydrogen and helium.
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On topic - it should stay magick damage. beam proccing BSW...uhhh...no.
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mesmerizedish✭✭✭✭✭The tooltip very clearly states that it deals magic damage. It's not misleading at all.
Anyway I play a dragonknight and so jealously guard my fire damage with a vengeance. Go away!3 -
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✭✭✭✭✭mesmerizedish wrote: »The tooltip very clearly states that it deals magic damage. It's not misleading at all.
Anyway I play a dragonknight and so jealously guard my fire damage with a vengeance. Go away!
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✭mesmerizedish wrote: »The tooltip very clearly states that it deals magic damage. It's not misleading at all.
Anyway I play a dragonknight and so jealously guard my fire damage with a vengeance. Go away!
This guy has it right. How can you say it's misleading when it says it causes magic damage. Holy fire doesn't have to mean actual fire. And we are in a video game, logic such as its from the sun doesn't apply here. (That logic wouldn't apply here anyways)
RO/RD is fine as is damage wise, and clearly states it does magic damage.1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭mesmerizedish wrote: »The tooltip very clearly states that it deals magic damage. It's not misleading at all.
Anyway I play a dragonknight and so jealously guard my fire damage with a vengeance. Go away!
Pvpers would cry and their tears would be justified. If zos learns to balance pvp and ice separately and this applied to pve only no one would complainEdited by Aliyavana on March 12, 2017 4:50PM0 -
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✭✭✭✭mesmerizedish wrote: »The tooltip very clearly states that it deals magic damage. It's not misleading at all.
Anyway I play a dragonknight and so jealously guard my fire damage with a vengeance. Go away!
"Burn an enemy with a ray of holy fire, dealing X magica damage..."
It's already a powerfull execute. I wouldn't dare to think what PvP would look like with it proccing BSW, powered by Dunmer passives and silk of the sun, against that poor vampire fellas.
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Samwell Slayer✭✭✭I've been thinking for awhile, the tooltip states that the ability does a beam of holy fire but yet the ability is based on magic damage.
Could we have that looked in to? Could we make the ability deal elemental damage as it was sorta intended to do so?
Also the tree that this ability is under is dawns wrath, I remember once we had sun flare being magic damage that was changed to being fire damage. I think we should look into this skill too. It doesn't match up for consistency
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Hmmm, somebody just found out that their gold Burning Spellweave set they made for their templar is *** cuz it is only up about 30% of the time during execute
. But I feel your pain. With the nerf to TBS, increase to sustain (limiting the usefulness of Moondancer to only it's offensive trait), everybody pulling their heads of out of their butts and realizing that Mother's Sorrow is a crap set for templars, we are left with our mouths open staring at the Necropotence and Burning Spellweave sets (which even magic nub's have more use out of) wondering what sets to use. Well, I guess it's time to find where I put that Juli set.
Edited by Samwell Slayer on March 12, 2017 5:12PMPC/Mac NA server. Cast, in order of appearance (got one of everything):
Samwell Slayer Stam NB AD Stormproof
Samantha Tarly Stam Sorc DC FC
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Tamwell Sarly Mgk Temp AD FC
Covenant Blues Mgk DK EP Stormproof
Samwell Tardy Mgk Sorc AD FC
Stam Tarly Stam Temp AD Stormproof
Samwelf Tarly Mgk NB DC FC
Stamwell Tarly Stam DK DC FC
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Samara Tarly Tank NB EP
Sam Mfing Tarly Mule Sorc EP
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This.RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »The entire Dawns Wrath tree is based on Sun/Light damage. Dark Flare, Backlash, Radiant, and even Eclipse should all be Flame damage.
It's the Sun, even if Magnus made the hole,it's still straight up fire
They have been under performing yes, but this also would be a great change for the Templar. Most of their damage sources are Fire Damage, I remember reflective light was magic damage but got changed to be fire damage. The same needs to happen with this skill because of the skill tree it is under.Its been magic damage since i can remember so not sure it was ever intended to be elemental damage.
A mismatch between fluff text and specifics doesn't mean the specifics is what is off.
have magplars been underperforming lately and so they need boosts? Changing this to fire would be a boost.
Of course the real reason why these abilities are not fire damage is because the DK has that covered already. And you just got burned, no fire involved
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Samwell Slayer Stam NB AD Stormproof
Samantha Tarly Stam Sorc DC FC
The Sawmell Tarly Tank DK EP Stormproof
Tamwell Sarly Mgk Temp AD FC
Covenant Blues Mgk DK EP Stormproof
Samwell Tardy Mgk Sorc AD FC
Stam Tarly Stam Temp AD Stormproof
Samwelf Tarly Mgk NB DC FC
Stamwell Tarly Stam DK DC FC
Maester Samwell Heal Temp DC
Samara Tarly Tank NB EP
Sam Mfing Tarly Mule Sorc EP
Warden of HTarly. Mgk. Ward AD FC
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You what? I play a tank.Samwell Slayer wrote: »I've been thinking for awhile, the tooltip states that the ability does a beam of holy fire but yet the ability is based on magic damage.
Could we have that looked in to? Could we make the ability deal elemental damage as it was sorta intended to do so?
Also the tree that this ability is under is dawns wrath, I remember once we had sun flare being magic damage that was changed to being fire damage. I think we should look into this skill too. It doesn't match up for consistency
@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_RichLambert
Hmmm, somebody just found out that their gold Burning Spellweave set they made for their templar is *** cuz it is only up about 30% of the time during execute. But I feel your pain. With the nerf to TBS, increase to sustain (limiting the usefulness of Moondancer to only it's offensive trait), everybody pulling their heads of out of their butts and realizing that Mother's Sorrow is a crap set for templars, we are left with our mouths open staring at the Necropotence and Burning Spellweave sets (which even magic nub's have more use out of) wondering what sets to use. Well, I guess it's time to find where I put that Juli set.
Im just stating what the tooltip says
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Because it's under the tree called dawns wrath, which is primarily considered to be fire damagemesmerizedish wrote: »The tooltip very clearly states that it deals magic damage. It's not misleading at all.
Anyway I play a dragonknight and so jealously guard my fire damage with a vengeance. Go away!
This guy has it right. How can you say it's misleading when it says it causes magic damage. Holy fire doesn't have to mean actual fire. And we are in a video game, logic such as its from the sun doesn't apply here. (That logic wouldn't apply here anyways)
RO/RD is fine as is damage wise, and clearly states it does magic damage.
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Even if it was changed to fire damage, it wouldn't be as strong as it was. But its pretty weak as it is, so maybe changing it to how it was actually said to be in the tooltip would be fair changeMeowmeow13 wrote: »If the class description says it should do fire then fair argument. I was pointing out that saying that it should do fire damage because the sun is fire is the equivalent of saying that frost atronachs should do lightning or fire damage.
I think radiant oppression is plenty powerful though as it is. If it was turned into fire damage it would need rebalancing as if it was impowered by the Silks of the Sun and BSW sets then good lord everyone will burn in PvP.
Radiant Destruction is not weak by any stretch of the definition. You can still easily get 40k crits with it, it still has a mind-boggling range, and you can still use it proactively to melt other players as soon as an ally drops them into low health range. The way its scaling works allows it to reach a point where Radiant Oppression alone deals more damage than all of your DoTs and Puncturing Sweeps combined.
I don't think the ability with the highest damage potential out of every ability in the game needs a buff.Lilelle Adlis - Dark Elf Dragonknight
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✭This always irritated me too... the only 'fire' ability in entire Dawn's Wrath tree is Sun Fire and it's morphs. Funny how Wiki says of the skill line, "This Skill Line focuses primarily on dealing Fire Damage..." when in fact, it doesn't. It doesn't focus on fire damage at all, other than ONE skill. I would prefer the entire line be Flame damage instead of magic.
This would promote me to play more of Templar. If Dawn's Wrath was mostly if not all fire damage. Plus it would make much sense lore wise. As templars always used magic that was adverse towards vamp and any undead. Plus it would close the mouths of all those crying blood murder about Vampires.1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭This would really be a bad idea though. It'd boost their damage by 8% in PvE (DK group buff) and give these powerful skills 25% more damage versus Vamps.
If changed to fire damage, I'd expect at least an 8% damage nerf.1 -
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There's a difference between Fire and Flame Damage.
* DK already exists.
* *** off Altmers/Dunmers, *** you and your dmg bonus!
* Templars vs Vamps? Light vs Darkness? Makes sense. But NO!
Conclusion: NO!5
