Is it just me or are Magika Sorcs the best for both PvP and PvE now??

hmsdragonfly · March 2017

Seraphayel wrote: »

hmsdragonfly wrote: »

Seraphayel wrote: »

hmsdragonfly wrote: »

Seraphayel wrote: »

What exactly is “hard“ when it comes to playing a Sorc? Compared to a Nightblade, Sorc is super easy and it doesn't matter if Stamina or Magicka. And I am not talking about one shot ganker Nightblades but the ones that rely on rotations / other things than stacking buffs and onehitting players.

Sorc is super easy from start to finish.

Ummm nope. Magsorc is a case of high skill floor high skill ceiling. An average player cannot burst people down while maintaining shields.
Yes hardest to play is magblade, no argument in that.
Yes stamsorc is case of low skill floor but powerful af, no argument in that.

Again, I don't see it. Why is Magsorc harder than MagDK or Magblade in that case? They've still got the best tools in burning down somebody. And I'd say both MagDKs and Magblades are much more squishy than Magsorcs. I mean Crystal Frag (+Curse) is such an easy tool to burst somebody down and CC them as well. Burst somebody down as MagDK? Yeah well... Sorc is just pretty easy compared to every other class in ESO except Beamplars.

Again, average players cannot burst people down while maintaining wards. They either stack wards nonstop and deal 0 damage, or they 1vX everyone, that's magsorc for you, high skill ceiling high skill floor.
Timing curse + frag is easy for skilled players, but for average players, it's not, especially with all the required animation cancelling to do the combo quickly. They will most likely mess up their burst combo and the opponent doesn't die. Magsorc is easy for you? Congratulation, you are a skilled player.

MagDK is not about burst, it's all about keeping the pressure on the opponent. It's a completely different playstyle.

Yes, average players can't. Neither an average Sorc nor an average DK. I mean, at least Sorcs have a class based ward or hard hitting insta with burst. DKs and NBs don't. An average Sorc still gets more out of the class than an average DK or NB, especially for Magicka builds. That's my point.

As I said, it's case of high skill floor. It doesn't matter if you have ward and frag if you cannot utilize them. The point is, it's harder to be a good magsorc than to be a good stamDK for example. Yes, becoming a good magsorc is easier than becoming a good magblade for sure, magblade is the hardest class to play, highest skill floor, hands down. Maybe it's easier to be a good magsorc than to be a good magdk for some people (I still perform better with magdk, so let's say they are equally hard to master) but even if magdk is harder to play, that leaves stamsorc, stamdk, stamblade, stamplar, magplar left.

My point remains, magsorc is a case of high skill ceiling high skill floor. If you do well with it, you will 1vX every average player in the game. If you are just average, like the majority of the playerbase, you are not going to get anything out of a magsorc. It's easier to be decent at other classes, like stamdk, stamsorc, magplar etc than to be decent at magsorc.

max_only · March 2017

Magsorc has a high skill floor?

You must be talking PVP because I can literally eat dinner and kill stuff on my magsorc for PVE.

skill..... ha!

Vaoh · March 2017

max_only wrote: »

Magsorc has a high skill floor?

You must be talking PVP because I can literally eat dinner and kill stuff on my magsorc for PVE.

skill..... ha!

My pack mule alts can skill skeevers too... that doesn't only apply to Mag Sorcs....

Molydeus · March 2017

max_only wrote: »

Magsorc has a high skill floor?

You must be talking PVP because I can literally eat dinner and kill stuff on my magsorc for PVE.

skill..... ha!

Any class can literally eay dinner and kill stuff.

Vahrokh · March 2017

It's idiotic threads like this that had me and many PvE players quit in 2015 to the point ZOS had to implement Free to Play or close down ESO.

I have enough of having my classes destroyed - in turns - because a bunch of lazy hands can't spend their day better than crying on the forum against the next guy.

I have at least 1 character of each class and it's all but fun to have to constantly re-grind sets and restart other builds just because some internet anonymous went into PVP rage.

Bigevilpeter · March 2017

Vahrokh wrote: »

It's idiotic threads like this that had me and many PvE players quit in 2015 to the point ZOS had to implement Free to Play or close down ESO.

I have enough of having my classes destroyed - in turns - because a bunch of lazy hands can't spend their day better than crying on the forum against the next guy.

I have at least 1 character of each class and it's all but fun to have to constantly re-grind sets and restart other builds just because some internet anonymous went into PVP rage.

Oh I'm sorry threads like mine make you actually require some skill to play the game

xblackroxe · March 2017

They are definitely the strongest overall class in the game right now.
In pve the have a bit less st dps than dks and on par with templars (lets forget nb exists). They have range nice, aoe dps but a weak pve execute (only for pve though).

In pvp they have good mobility as long as you dont get streak bug but that doesn't really count, high burst, high survivability and an extremly strong execute. Everyone that says fury isn't good in pvp has no idea what he/she is talking about

DHale · March 2017

Sorc is fine until you meeet a two hander and dawnbreaker.

Molydeus · March 2017

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

Vahrokh wrote: »

It's idiotic threads like this that had me and many PvE players quit in 2015 to the point ZOS had to implement Free to Play or close down ESO.

I have enough of having my classes destroyed - in turns - because a bunch of lazy hands can't spend their day better than crying on the forum against the next guy.

I have at least 1 character of each class and it's all but fun to have to constantly re-grind sets and restart other builds just because some internet anonymous went into PVP rage.

Oh I'm sorry threads like mine make you actually require some skill to play the game

You mean like how you lack the skill to kill sorcerers?

Korsario · March 2017

Yes it is true, Magic Sorc got GREAT AOE, GREAT single target, GREAT range possibilities and GREAT survival they are atm by far the most overpowered class BOTH in PVE and PVP atm enjoy before the huge nerf.

Vahrokh · March 2017

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

Vahrokh wrote: »

It's idiotic threads like this that had me and many PvE players quit in 2015 to the point ZOS had to implement Free to Play or close down ESO.

I have enough of having my classes destroyed - in turns - because a bunch of lazy hands can't spend their day better than crying on the forum against the next guy.

I have at least 1 character of each class and it's all but fun to have to constantly re-grind sets and restart other builds just because some internet anonymous went into PVP rage.

Oh I'm sorry threads like mine make you actually require some skill to play the game

Oh, yeah, it takes a TREMENDOUS amount of skill playing a game with FIVE abilities per bar.
And yes, it takes TREMENDOUS skill to grind dungeons and trials for weeks to get the next "BiS" gear set.

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Kalante · March 2017

oh really? to all the mag sorcs defending their crutch, is this why most high end guilds when it comes to vmol hm only want a team predominatly made up of magicka characters? hhhmmmmm i wonder why.......

I've also yet to see a dromatrha destroyer that is a stam nb on the ps4 meanwhile all the people that have done it are mostly mag characters.

You are in denial that your class is OP and try to bring in BS facts such as shields that only last six seconds and how you have to worry about them so and so. They are INSTANT and you can just spamm! what is so hard about that?! meanwhile stam over here have vigor and guess what? it lasts less and it is a heal over time, not instant! To even have a decent heal in the first place you have to slot rally, oh , nobody wants a noob with a 2h in pve! so to even have decent dps we have to sacrifice our only decent heal worth a damn for stam.

Face it the facts are not in your side when it comes to defending magicka. Two main classes of the GAME are not even sought after for HM trials or even VET TRIALS because some guilds are so picky and only want the best to save the headache and alienate a bunch of other people in the process just because they were not smart to be magicka, silly them. The game should have equal opportunity for everyone but sadly it's not like that.

Now the pvp aspect of magicka, don't even say it's hard to play because i will destroy you with that argument.

Mashille · March 2017

I'm not here to hate on MagSorcs like a lot of other people in here are but I can't stand them sometimes due to a single thing: in PvP (Baring in mind 2 of my main toons are melee only) Sorc Mines make me want to kill myself. They are the only ability in the game I can think of which actively destroys a fight indefinitely.

90% of magicka sorcs I end up going against in PvP plonk down some mines and sit there. So when this happens I just leave, I walk away as I literally cannot fight them. And yes, people will try to say there's counters like 'Use Mistform to pop the mines' or 'use ranged abilities on your back bar' but none of those things will actually ever work out in game.

Derra · March 2017

Kalante wrote: »

oh really? to all the mag sorcs defending their crutch, is this why most high end guilds when it comes to vmol hm only want a team predominatly made up of magicka characters? hhhmmmmm i wonder why.......

I've also yet to see a dromatrha destroyer that is a stam nb on the ps4 meanwhile all the people that have done it are mostly mag characters.

You are in denial that your class is OP and try to bring in BS facts such as shields that only last six seconds and how you have to worry about them so and so. They are INSTANT and you can just spamm! what is so hard about that?! meanwhile stam over here have vigor and guess what? it lasts and and it is a heal over time, not instant! To even have a decent heal in the first place you have to slot rally, oh , nobody wants a noob with a 2h in pve! so to even have decent dps we have to sacrifice our only decent heal worth a damn for stam.

Face it the facts are not in your side when it comes to defending magicka. Two main classes of the GAME are not even sought after for HM trials or even VET TRIALS because some guilds are so picky and only want the best to save the headache and alienate a bunch of other people in the process just because they were not smart to be magicka, silly them. The game should have equal opportunity for everyone but sadly it's not like that.

Now the pvp aspect of magicka, don't even say it's hard to play because i will destroy you with that argument.

I think nobody argues about the pve part - the petbuff was insane.

People are arguing about the pvp part. Sorcs are good but - most people don´t feel they´re best. Take away the crutch that is shieldstacking and they would flatout suck for most players.

bg22 · March 2017

Followed by StamSorc.

Korsario · March 2017

bg22 wrote: »

Followed by StamSorc.

Tbh stam sorc is pretty weak atm, IMO ANYTHING Magica is quite overpowered atm.

Bigevilpeter · March 2017

Vahrokh wrote: »

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

Vahrokh wrote: »

It's idiotic threads like this that had me and many PvE players quit in 2015 to the point ZOS had to implement Free to Play or close down ESO.

I have enough of having my classes destroyed - in turns - because a bunch of lazy hands can't spend their day better than crying on the forum against the next guy.

I have at least 1 character of each class and it's all but fun to have to constantly re-grind sets and restart other builds just because some internet anonymous went into PVP rage.

Oh I'm sorry threads like mine make you actually require some skill to play the game

Oh, yeah, it takes a TREMENDOUS amount of skill playing a game with FIVE abilities per bar.
And yes, it takes TREMENDOUS skill to grind dungeons and trials for weeks to get the next "BiS" gear set.

Well then there is no such thing as skill if your statement is correct.

With buffs and nerfs you need to change the way you play, just like when magplars just spammed Jesus beam all day, now they actually have to use it wisely, same thing applies to sorcs now

Mephisto939 · March 2017

There is one simple fix that ZOS could have easily done to balance out Sorcs but for some reason won't address, and that is shield stacking. They should give the shields a longer duration, but not allow them to be stackable. In every fantasy game I have ever played Sorcs had high damage/aoe's, but the sacrifice was that they were always the squishiest. That's balancing. But in ESO, thanks to shield spamming/stacking, a character in a robe and sandals has more survivability than a guy in heavy plate armor. Something is seriously wrong with this picture.

Mephisto939 · March 2017

Korsario wrote: »

bg22 wrote: »

Followed by StamSorc.

Tbh stam sorc is pretty weak atm, IMO ANYTHING Magica is quite overpowered atm.

I think stam sorc is fairly balanced now.

Chilly-McFreeze · March 2017

TequilaFire wrote: »

LOL at all the sorcs jumping in to defend the most powerful class in the game.

That's one way to muzzle people that disagree...

Mashille wrote: »

I'm not here to hate on MagSorcs like a lot of other people in here are but I can't stand them sometimes due to a single thing: in PvP (Baring in mind 2 of my main toons are melee only) Sorc Mines make me want to kill myself. They are the only ability in the game I can think of which actively destroys a fight indefinitely.

90% of magicka sorcs I end up going against in PvP plonk down some mines and sit there. So when this happens I just leave, I walk away as I literally cannot fight them. And yes, people will try to say there's counters like 'Use Mistform to pop the mines' or 'use ranged abilities on your back bar' but none of those things will actually ever work out in game.

Oh, you mean like DK's flappy wings did to range-only magsorcs (oh.. never mind, there are NO meele magsorcs) before one destro staff skill became unreflectable? (Ya, ya, I know. You could drop that high cost destro ult)

Oh and BTW, you could just drop a AoE on them while they sit in their stinky bright blue mines. Also, your problem if you gimp yourself to meele only. At least you have to option to go meele or ranged. If you don't utilize them, don't blame anything else than yourself.

Lore_lai · March 2017

Man this thread keeps getting better and better!

Publius_Scipio wrote: »

Personally I still think a magicka templar, DK, or stam sorc would be superior in PvE. PvP wise, right now you can make some really cheesy troll magicka sorc builds for sure.

Personally, I think you should stick to PvP fanfiction.

Mashille · March 2017

@Chilly-McFreeze

Ok, I'm going to stop you there.

1. DK Wings are literally nothing like Sorc Mines, Ranged people can fight against DK's using Wings easily as Wings last all of four Seconds and have to be recast over and over.

2. If I were to slot some ranged skills in PvP purely because of Sorc Mines I would be gimping my build as they would not be useful in other fights. And you're saying I would be able to fight a Sorc sitting in mines by slotting a couple of long range abilities, are you insane?

I would be fighting a build fully specced to be a ranged DPS with solely Flying Blade. Have you ever tried dealing damage to someone in PvP with solely Flying blade, No, there's a reason no one plays mainly ranged in Stam for PvP. There is no 'Utilizing' ranged abilites if it makes your build weaker.

3. You say i could drop an AOE on them... Again, wtf are you talking about? What AOE's are you referring to as 2 Handed and Dual Wield have 0 Ranged AOE's. So stop spouting Bull*** out of your ass.

So, in conclusion, you're a Magicka Sorc player who uses Mines in PvP and doesn't like me stating how Ridiculous the ability is. As I said in my previous post, people will say there are counters for it so they feel better about themselves for using it. So stop throwing accusations at me for not knowing how to play the game.

manny254 · March 2017

Publius_Scipio wrote: »

Personally I still think a magicka templar, DK, or stam sorc would be superior in PvE. PvP wise, right now you can make some really cheesy troll magicka sorc builds for sure.

Magicka sorc is by far the strongest pve dps build. It has the highest damage in the game, and it can do this from range. It is by far the most fully featured as well. In addition to all of its raw range damage it also has an execute that cleaves other targets, but it also has passive execute that can proc like crazy in a trial. It has additional class options for shielding. It debuffs targets with minor vulnerability from lightning damage. It is the best option for lightning wall to give the group off balance on the target. It has access to a third bar and streak for the last boss of vMOL. It is by far the best the pve dps build.

If you gave magicka sorc chains there would be little reason to play anything else in PVE.

cpuScientist · March 2017

hmsdragonfly wrote: »

Seraphayel wrote: »

hmsdragonfly wrote: »

Seraphayel wrote: »

What exactly is “hard“ when it comes to playing a Sorc? Compared to a Nightblade, Sorc is super easy and it doesn't matter if Stamina or Magicka. And I am not talking about one shot ganker Nightblades but the ones that rely on rotations / other things than stacking buffs and onehitting players.

Sorc is super easy from start to finish.

Ummm nope. Magsorc is a case of high skill floor high skill ceiling. An average player cannot burst people down while maintaining shields.
Yes hardest to play is magblade, no argument in that.
Yes stamsorc is case of low skill floor but powerful af, no argument in that.

Again, I don't see it. Why is Magsorc harder than MagDK or Magblade in that case? They've still got the best tools in burning down somebody. And I'd say both MagDKs and Magblades are much more squishy than Magsorcs. I mean Crystal Frag (+Curse) is such an easy tool to burst somebody down and CC them as well. Burst somebody down as MagDK? Yeah well... Sorc is just pretty easy compared to every other class in ESO except Beamplars.

Again, average players cannot burst people down while maintaining wards. They either stack wards nonstop and deal 0 damage, or they 1vX everyone, that's magsorc for you, high skill ceiling high skill floor.
Timing curse + frag is easy for skilled players, but for average players, it's not, especially with all the required animation cancelling to do the combo quickly. They will most likely mess up their burst combo and the opponent doesn't die. Magsorc is easy for you? Congratulation, you are a skilled player.

MagDK is not about burst, it's all about keeping the pressure on the opponent. It's a completely different playstyle.

Average players can hit 3 buttons lol. It's easy to do well with. Average players can't 1vX sure. But they can hit 3 buttons.

cpuScientist · March 2017

hmsdragonfly wrote: »

Seraphayel wrote: »

hmsdragonfly wrote: »

Seraphayel wrote: »

hmsdragonfly wrote: »

Seraphayel wrote: »

What exactly is “hard“ when it comes to playing a Sorc? Compared to a Nightblade, Sorc is super easy and it doesn't matter if Stamina or Magicka. And I am not talking about one shot ganker Nightblades but the ones that rely on rotations / other things than stacking buffs and onehitting players.

Sorc is super easy from start to finish.

Ummm nope. Magsorc is a case of high skill floor high skill ceiling. An average player cannot burst people down while maintaining shields.
Yes hardest to play is magblade, no argument in that.
Yes stamsorc is case of low skill floor but powerful af, no argument in that.

Again, I don't see it. Why is Magsorc harder than MagDK or Magblade in that case? They've still got the best tools in burning down somebody. And I'd say both MagDKs and Magblades are much more squishy than Magsorcs. I mean Crystal Frag (+Curse) is such an easy tool to burst somebody down and CC them as well. Burst somebody down as MagDK? Yeah well... Sorc is just pretty easy compared to every other class in ESO except Beamplars.

Again, average players cannot burst people down while maintaining wards. They either stack wards nonstop and deal 0 damage, or they 1vX everyone, that's magsorc for you, high skill ceiling high skill floor.
Timing curse + frag is easy for skilled players, but for average players, it's not, especially with all the required animation cancelling to do the combo quickly. They will most likely mess up their burst combo and the opponent doesn't die. Magsorc is easy for you? Congratulation, you are a skilled player.

MagDK is not about burst, it's all about keeping the pressure on the opponent. It's a completely different playstyle.

Yes, average players can't. Neither an average Sorc nor an average DK. I mean, at least Sorcs have a class based ward or hard hitting insta with burst. DKs and NBs don't. An average Sorc still gets more out of the class than an average DK or NB, especially for Magicka builds. That's my point.

As I said, it's case of high skill floor. It doesn't matter if you have ward and frag if you cannot utilize them. The point is, it's harder to be a good magsorc than to be a good stamDK for example. Yes, becoming a good magsorc is easier than becoming a good magblade for sure, magblade is the hardest class to play, highest skill floor, hands down. Maybe it's easier to be a good magsorc than to be a good magdk for some people (I still perform better with magdk, so let's say they are equally hard to master) but even if magdk is harder to play, that leaves stamsorc, stamdk, stamblade, stamplar, magplar left.

My point remains, magsorc is a case of high skill ceiling high skill floor. If you do well with it, you will 1vX every average player in the game. If you are just average, like the majority of the playerbase, you are not going to get anything out of a magsorc. It's easier to be decent at other classes, like stamdk, stamsorc, magplar etc than to be decent at magsorc.

Lol it's not easier than stamDK or any stam for that matter. In PvP magSorc is easy. It's an easy class, that's good for beginners. It's hard to master I'll say that. But so is any class. I'd say it's harder to 1vX on a magSorc than it is on stam classes, (even that though...)

hmsdragonfly · March 2017

Vahrokh wrote: »

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

Vahrokh wrote: »

It's idiotic threads like this that had me and many PvE players quit in 2015 to the point ZOS had to implement Free to Play or close down ESO.

I have enough of having my classes destroyed - in turns - because a bunch of lazy hands can't spend their day better than crying on the forum against the next guy.

I have at least 1 character of each class and it's all but fun to have to constantly re-grind sets and restart other builds just because some internet anonymous went into PVP rage.

Oh I'm sorry threads like mine make you actually require some skill to play the game

Oh, yeah, it takes a TREMENDOUS amount of skill playing a game with FIVE abilities per bar.

Dota 2, LoL, HoTS also only have around 5 abilities. Guess those game take no skills, right?
Have fun reaching button number "8" while moving around constantly and dodge rolling like crazy.

hmsdragonfly · March 2017

cpuScientist wrote: »

hmsdragonfly wrote: »

Seraphayel wrote: »

hmsdragonfly wrote: »

Seraphayel wrote: »

hmsdragonfly wrote: »

Seraphayel wrote: »

What exactly is “hard“ when it comes to playing a Sorc? Compared to a Nightblade, Sorc is super easy and it doesn't matter if Stamina or Magicka. And I am not talking about one shot ganker Nightblades but the ones that rely on rotations / other things than stacking buffs and onehitting players.

Sorc is super easy from start to finish.

Ummm nope. Magsorc is a case of high skill floor high skill ceiling. An average player cannot burst people down while maintaining shields.
Yes hardest to play is magblade, no argument in that.
Yes stamsorc is case of low skill floor but powerful af, no argument in that.

Again, I don't see it. Why is Magsorc harder than MagDK or Magblade in that case? They've still got the best tools in burning down somebody. And I'd say both MagDKs and Magblades are much more squishy than Magsorcs. I mean Crystal Frag (+Curse) is such an easy tool to burst somebody down and CC them as well. Burst somebody down as MagDK? Yeah well... Sorc is just pretty easy compared to every other class in ESO except Beamplars.

Again, average players cannot burst people down while maintaining wards. They either stack wards nonstop and deal 0 damage, or they 1vX everyone, that's magsorc for you, high skill ceiling high skill floor.
Timing curse + frag is easy for skilled players, but for average players, it's not, especially with all the required animation cancelling to do the combo quickly. They will most likely mess up their burst combo and the opponent doesn't die. Magsorc is easy for you? Congratulation, you are a skilled player.

MagDK is not about burst, it's all about keeping the pressure on the opponent. It's a completely different playstyle.

Yes, average players can't. Neither an average Sorc nor an average DK. I mean, at least Sorcs have a class based ward or hard hitting insta with burst. DKs and NBs don't. An average Sorc still gets more out of the class than an average DK or NB, especially for Magicka builds. That's my point.

As I said, it's case of high skill floor. It doesn't matter if you have ward and frag if you cannot utilize them. The point is, it's harder to be a good magsorc than to be a good stamDK for example. Yes, becoming a good magsorc is easier than becoming a good magblade for sure, magblade is the hardest class to play, highest skill floor, hands down. Maybe it's easier to be a good magsorc than to be a good magdk for some people (I still perform better with magdk, so let's say they are equally hard to master) but even if magdk is harder to play, that leaves stamsorc, stamdk, stamblade, stamplar, magplar left.

My point remains, magsorc is a case of high skill ceiling high skill floor. If you do well with it, you will 1vX every average player in the game. If you are just average, like the majority of the playerbase, you are not going to get anything out of a magsorc. It's easier to be decent at other classes, like stamdk, stamsorc, magplar etc than to be decent at magsorc.

Lol it's not easier than stamDK or any stam for that matter. In PvP magSorc is easy. It's an easy class, that's good for beginners. It's hard to master I'll say that. But so is any class. I'd say it's harder to 1vX on a magSorc than it is on stam classes, (even that though...)

Again, magsorc is easy for you? Congratulation, you are a skilled player. Average players cannot burst people down while maintaining wards. They will most likely mess up the curse + frag combo timing and nothing dies. What's good of a magsorc when you cannot time your execute?
As I said, high skill floor.

Chilly-McFreeze · March 2017

@Mashille

Judging from the way you write you seem to be a really nice person. And I thought I was the salty one here. Funny, isn't it? Maybe you should stick your head outside the window from time to time to catch a breeze of fresh air. Maybe you would calm down a bit. Or you learn how to decently talk to people once you grow up.

Mag Sorcs aren't rare at all in PvP. If your build can't fight them, you are already gimped.

How do you deal with people standing at keep walls or keeps at all?

Since you are to busy being a condescending prick I might as well prove you wrong on your statement, that there are no options for AoE or range for stamina builds. Maybe you should take a look at silver bolts, lightweight beast trap, trapping webs and caltrops. The last one you definitly know since you are a good PvPer. Plus some skills from classes. I don't know which classes you cripple to melee only but you may take a look at Blinding Javeline for the knockback, Power of the light and Killers Blade. Even Noxious Breath has a 10m range. No, that is nothing that will outright kill a magsorc in his tombs but it's definitley not nothing. You are at the disadvantage. Like MagSorcs were at disadvantage agains flappy wings that reflect.
And if you are a DK, you might just want to pull them out of their tomb with that fancy Fiery Grip?

And then again, you COULD use a bow. You just don't want to because you like to play full melee. That is fine. But accept that if you downright restrict your build to melee that you might get problems if you can't get in melee range. Don't expect to tear someone down if you need to go outside your comfort zone. MagSorcs don't even have the option to go melee. Nice how you ignored that part. Also that old Mist Form advice is solid.

And for the "wings have to be recasted", sure, but in that time you were almost invincible. Since, again, you could reflect many skills a MagSorc could throw at you. That Mage's Fury wont do much to a enemie that's at good health. Or do you think spamming Mage Wrath outside of execute range would defeat someone? Like you so eloquently wrote: Are you insane?

BTW if someone Mist Formed mines, the sorc has to recast them as well and they are expensive.

So, in conclusion, I am a MagSorc. Just like I am a MagBlade, a MagPlar and a Mag DK. Most of the times I don't use mines. And you are someone who cripples his build by not being willing to slot something to battle someone sitting inside 8.5K base cost mines or standing on top of walls or keeps. So stop throwing a tantrum.

Looking forward to hear your insulting response.

EDIT: No, I don't think you don't know how to play. But it sounds like you are not accepting that your build has flaws you choose to have and shove that ol' OP MagSorc excuse. Sry if it came across like I belittled your abilites. But again, no reason to act like a jerk.

Mashille · March 2017

@Chilly-McFreeze

First, sorry if I sounded salty / mean, it's hard to convey tone in writing.

Sorcs, may not have the option to go melee but I don't think that's relevant to the topic as there is no advantage to going melee over ranged if you can do the same damage at ranged etc. If a class could either do only melee or only ranged with the same damage for each there is 0 point in picking melee so your point there is void.

The whole thing is 'You could use a bow' is just wrong. I could use a bow technically but it would make my build vs any other targets flat out worse than what i'm running currently. It doesn't matter if I ran a bow vs a Magicka Sorc anyway as there is 0% chance of me being able to put out the same pressure and damage as a Magikca sorc who is in their mines.

Bow is used as a back bar for a reason, it's can't do things on it's own and in any fight where 1 person is running a Bow for their Main Bar vs a Regular Ranged Mag Sorc Bow won't even be able to scratch their shields let alone do anything else.

Regarding you saying to run Things like Caltrops, silver bots etc, again, this would make me flat out worse against everyone Also, if youa re in Mines and I'm even running a 100% full ranged build I wouldn't be able to do enough damage to break your shields, which is why I have to go melee.

You say I could use Noxious breath, no, that just wouldn't work, the whole 'range of 10m' thing just doesn't work like that. And you mention Killers blade for a Stamblade which is Exclusively melee so I dunno what you mean ther.

Regarding Ground AOE's no Magsorc is gonna run screaming out of their Mines just because a Trap Beat is in there as they know that I cannot follow up unless I run into their mines, and Caltrops isn't gonna do anything, even when paired with Poison Arrow and Volley.

Maybe in some way I manage to get them out their mines with some ranged abilties then switch and run in for melee, then they put more mines down and I'm forced to leave again unless I want to get shredded.

Regarding your point about reflect shutting Sorcs down, you know Reflect doesn't reflect Crushing Shock anymore right? So your main Spammable DPS can easily still get through, along with Curse and Endless Fury, the only think it really stops in Frags so I see 0 reason why Wings Shuts down ranged completely.

I'm not going to continue arguing because if you can't see my point after this then there's no more use in trying.

Chilly-McFreeze · March 2017

@Mashille

Alright, no hard feelings then.

Like I said, these ranged options would not put any decent MagSorc down but I was more into your comment that there are no option to go ranged beside Bow and Shrouded Dagger. So yes, I do see your point that melee combatants have a hard time agains mine sitting sorcs. But isn't that inherent? A melee fighter struggling against the hard counter to melee?

I know that scales don't reflect CS anymore. That's why I wrote in past tense. Or at least I tried to. And I also don't think that spamming Mage's Wrath on full health targets is a good idea. Compared to CS, it deals just to little damage. But that doesn't matter anymore.

You are right about killers blade. Don't know how I came to think it was ranged, maybe because the other morph is. I stand corrected.