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Warden Skill
SanderBuraas
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Looked through the tooltips of the Warden skills and passives – first impression is that the class has a lot of heals and the best buffs available, meaning it will be another strong class in heavy armour (PvP).
However, one skill in particular that concerns me is "Screaming Cliff Racer". Note that I haven't played the class, and these are mere thoughts before the class is released.
The tooltip shows 7061 Magic Damage, increased by 15% if target is at least 15 metres away, for a potential 8120 damage. On a test build, you probably don't have great gear, so it does more damage with a proper build. Instant skill, ranged class spammable and I'm assuming that it is not morphed yet. Doesn't it seem very strong, especially compared to Force Pulse?
Edited by SanderBuraas on June 2, 2018 9:56AM However, one skill in particular that concerns me is "Screaming Cliff Racer". Note that I haven't played the class, and these are mere thoughts before the class is released.
The tooltip shows 7061 Magic Damage, increased by 15% if target is at least 15 metres away, for a potential 8120 damage. On a test build, you probably don't have great gear, so it does more damage with a proper build. Instant skill, ranged class spammable and I'm assuming that it is not morphed yet. Doesn't it seem very strong, especially compared to Force Pulse?
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leepalmer95✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Looked through the tooltips of the Warden skills and passives – first impression is that the class has a lot of heals and the best buffs available, meaning it will be another strong class in heavy armour (PvP).
However, one skill in particular that concerns me is "Screaming Cliff Racer". Note that I haven't played the class, and these are mere thoughts before the class is released.
The tooltip shows 7061 Magic Damage, increased by 15% if target is at least 15 metres away, for a potential 8120 damage. On a test build, you probably don't have great gear, so it does more damage with a proper build. Instant skill, ranged class spammable and I'm assuming that it is not morphed yet. Doesn't it seem very strong, especially compared to Force Pulse?
You can't really assume anything is strong without testing.
You don't know the gear, your don't know the animation, it may be easy to dodge, may be reflectable etc...
For all we know it could have the same tooltip scaling as swallow soul.Edited by leepalmer95 on March 12, 2017 3:42AMPS4 EU DC
Current CP : 756+
I have every character level 50, both a magicka and stamina version.
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@leepalmer95leepalmer95 wrote: »Looked through the tooltips of the Warden skills and passives – first impression is that the class has a lot of heals and the best buffs available, meaning it will be another strong class in heavy armour (PvP).
However, one skill in particular that concerns me is "Screaming Cliff Racer". Note that I haven't played the class, and these are mere thoughts before the class is released.
The tooltip shows 7061 Magic Damage, increased by 15% if target is at least 15 metres away, for a potential 8120 damage. On a test build, you probably don't have great gear, so it does more damage with a proper build. Instant skill, ranged class spammable and I'm assuming that it is not morphed yet. Doesn't it seem very strong, especially compared to Force Pulse?
You can really assume anything is strong without testing.
You don't know the gear, your don't know the animation, it may be easy to dodge, may be reflectable etc...
For all we know it could have the same tooltip scaling as swallow soul.
I can indeed.
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leepalmer95✭✭✭✭✭
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@leepalmer95leepalmer95 wrote: »Looked through the tooltips of the Warden skills and passives – first impression is that the class has a lot of heals and the best buffs available, meaning it will be another strong class in heavy armour (PvP).
However, one skill in particular that concerns me is "Screaming Cliff Racer". Note that I haven't played the class, and these are mere thoughts before the class is released.
The tooltip shows 7061 Magic Damage, increased by 15% if target is at least 15 metres away, for a potential 8120 damage. On a test build, you probably don't have great gear, so it does more damage with a proper build. Instant skill, ranged class spammable and I'm assuming that it is not morphed yet. Doesn't it seem very strong, especially compared to Force Pulse?
You can really assume anything is strong without testing.
You don't know the gear, your don't know the animation, it may be easy to dodge, may be reflectable etc...
For all we know it could have the same tooltip scaling as swallow soul.
I can indeed.
Can't*
You know what i mean't.PS4 EU DC
Current CP : 756+
I have every character level 50, both a magicka and stamina version.
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✭✭The tooltip shows 7061 Magic Damage, increased by 15% if target is at least 15 metres away, for a potential 8120 damage. On a test build, you probably don't have great gear, so it does more damage with a proper build.
Did you bother to look at any of their other skills? The numbers on all of them tend towards the freakishly big.
I doubt they're going to make the new class that blatantly OP. It's just a test build. Don't be fooled by those numbers.3 -
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✭If you think it's OP, check out the bear ultimate lol.Edited by hmsdragonfly on March 12, 2017 3:50AMAldmeri Dominion Loyalist. For the Queen!1 -
leepalmer95✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭hmsdragonfly wrote: »If you think it's OP, check out the bear ultimate lol.
The ultimate thats most people haven't had a chance to test yet?
The screenshot leak shows 3.7k~ magic dmg... which is gonna be like 1k~ in pvp to players. The special costing 75 ult for 20k dmg seems to be in range leap or templar spear ult. But the bear has to be alive.
If the bear acts like current pets it'll be ravaged by skills that attack a lot like flurry or jabs/sweeps.
Kind of hard to say something is strong from a picture.PS4 EU DC
Current CP : 756+
I have every character level 50, both a magicka and stamina version.
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✭✭leepalmer95 wrote: »If the bear acts like current pets it'll be ravaged by skills that attack a lot like flurry or jabs/sweeps.
How would that fair against a pet warded with a reactive heal which heals it for a serious chunk of health every time it is hit up to once a second for 10 seconds? Cos the pictures say wardens have that.0 -
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@leepalmer95 has a good point.
Until we actually get to test the skill in PTS, this whole thread is speculation.
The tooltips at PAX may or may not be the tooltips in PTS ... or the tooltips on June 6.
Edited by Taleof2Cities on March 12, 2017 4:25AM4 -
Maikon✭✭✭✭Taleof2Cities wrote: »
@leepalmer95 has a good point.
Until we actually get to test the skill in PTS, this whole thread is speculation.
The tooltips at PAX may or may not be the tooltips in PTS ... or the tooltips on June 6.
@Taleof2Cities
There will be no PTS for the expansion.Edited by Maikon on March 12, 2017 4:43AM0 -
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✭Taleof2Cities wrote: »
@leepalmer95 has a good point.
Until we actually get to test the skill in PTS, this whole thread is speculation.
The tooltips at PAX may or may not be the tooltips in PTS ... or the tooltips on June 6.
@Taleof2Cities
There will be no PTS for the expansion.
Do you have a source for this?0 -
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✭✭✭✭thankyourat wrote: »All these snares and roots. I already hate the class
Well that is what ice is all about I'm ESO.0 -
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✭the bear ulti also acts like an execute...100% more damage to targets below 25% health
also...in terms of scaling it appears that some skills are based off health...check out the skill called Impaling Shards which does frost damage (normally considered magicka/elemental) but tooltip says "Damage is done based on your Max Health"
i know ZOS said they were trying to make health a more "useful" resource, but this just smacks of hybrid-build1 -
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✭hope those icons are temp- using brotherhood beeswax as a graphic for bond with nature? lazy..1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭I dont see the worry over it. So what if the tooltip says 7k, mitigation cuts that severely and since its a ranged ability, it can easily be dodged and will most likely miss a lot of the time.CP2,100 Master Explorer - AvA Two Star Warlord - Console Peasant - Khajiiti Aficionado - The Clan
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✭Looking at all the other images, 7016 sounds about right.
But as I've said before, here and in zone chat, you can't judge the abilities yet. Not only can we not test them, it's still 3 months till release, things will change.0 -
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✭✭✭stevepdodson_ESO888 wrote: »the bear ulti also acts like an execute...100% more damage to targets below 25% health
also...in terms of scaling it appears that some skills are based off health...check out the skill called Impaling Shards which does frost damage (normally considered magicka/elemental) but tooltip says "Damage is done based on your Max Health"
i know ZOS said they were trying to make health a more "useful" resource, but this just smacks of hybrid-build
That was what caught my eye - ties in nicely with recent frost staff changes.Proudly skooma free while talks-when-drunk is in mandatory public housing.
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"The good way I used to get good kills *with good skill* was good but the way others kill me now is bad."0 -
STEVIL✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Looking at all the other images, 7016 sounds about right.
But as I've said before, here and in zone chat, you can't judge the abilities yet. Not only can we not test them, it's still 3 months till release, things will change.
Absolutely - all this can give us is the direction they are going - now with more detail on the route - but the specifics on pacing we wont know until PTS is nearing completion.Proudly skooma free while talks-when-drunk is in mandatory public housing.
YFMV Your Fun May Vary.
First Law of Nerf-o-Dynamics
"The good way I used to get good kills *with good skill* was good but the way others kill me now is bad."0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭stevepdodson_ESO888 wrote: »the bear ulti also acts like an execute...100% more damage to targets below 25% health
also...in terms of scaling it appears that some skills are based off health...check out the skill called Impaling Shards which does frost damage (normally considered magicka/elemental) but tooltip says "Damage is done based on your Max Health"
i know ZOS said they were trying to make health a more "useful" resource, but this just smacks of hybrid-build
That was what caught my eye - ties in nicely with recent frost staff changes.
I'll likely still use a fire/lightning over a frost staff anyway, staff type just changes your light/heavy dmg type and of course the passives.
PS4 EU DC
Current CP : 756+
I have every character level 50, both a magicka and stamina version.
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✭✭✭✭✭Taleof2Cities wrote: »
@leepalmer95 has a good point.
Until we actually get to test the skill in PTS, this whole thread is speculation.
The tooltips at PAX may or may not be the tooltips in PTS ... or the tooltips on June 6.
@Taleof2Cities
There will be no PTS for the expansion.
Pretty sure on one of the latest ESO lives they said they got people in to test the warden to get some instant feedback, but will be releasing it on the PTS later on also.0 -
Darlon✭✭✭✭✭Taleof2Cities wrote: »
@leepalmer95 has a good point.
Until we actually get to test the skill in PTS, this whole thread is speculation.
The tooltips at PAX may or may not be the tooltips in PTS ... or the tooltips on June 6.
@Taleof2Cities
There will be no PTS for the expansion.
Pretty sure on one of the latest ESO lives they said they got people in to test the warden to get some instant feedback, but will be releasing it on the PTS later on also.
Correct, there will be a Pts.0 -
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✭✭✭Couldn't help but thing that it'd make using Elemental Succession and Ilambris together a lot less of a headache. I wonder if anyone uses that set currently? Be odd to see someone romping around with Succession/Iceheart/Ygramor's Birthright/Winterborn 2/5/5 finally.
I suspect that there's going to be some amazing stamina options for this class, too, given the passive per-slotted ability physical damage boost. A couple of those skills having stam morphs could be a really, really huge change.0 -
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✭✭✭That bear ultimate looks absolute ridiculous LOL
20k damage and if the target is under 25% health its doubled, haha PVP is going to have more bears than nightblades when this comes out0 -
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✭leepalmer95 wrote: »hmsdragonfly wrote: »If you think it's OP, check out the bear ultimate lol.
The ultimate thats most people haven't had a chance to test yet?
The screenshot leak shows 3.7k~ magic dmg... which is gonna be like 1k~ in pvp to players. The special costing 75 ult for 20k dmg seems to be in range leap or templar spear ult. But the bear has to be alive.
If the bear acts like current pets it'll be ravaged by skills that attack a lot like flurry or jabs/sweeps.
Kind of hard to say something is strong from a picture.
Ummm, nope.
75 Ult for 20k magic damage AOE execute.
I completely understand that the stats are not balanced yet, but it does look ridiculous.
Edited by hmsdragonfly on March 12, 2017 9:30PMAldmeri Dominion Loyalist. For the Queen!0 -
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Nowhere in that description does it say AOE.hmsdragonfly wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »hmsdragonfly wrote: »If you think it's OP, check out the bear ultimate lol.
The ultimate thats most people haven't had a chance to test yet?
The screenshot leak shows 3.7k~ magic dmg... which is gonna be like 1k~ in pvp to players. The special costing 75 ult for 20k dmg seems to be in range leap or templar spear ult. But the bear has to be alive.
If the bear acts like current pets it'll be ravaged by skills that attack a lot like flurry or jabs/sweeps.
Kind of hard to say something is strong from a picture.
Ummm, nope.
75 Ult for 20k magic damage AOE execute.
edit: I sure hope one of the morphs makes the bear deal physical damage.Edited by Skayaq on March 12, 2017 9:31PMKazari-Dar, Khajiit Nightblade..........Jarkyr Storm-Blade, Nord Sorcerer .......... Dunric Amedain, Breton Templar
Araniwen, Altmer Sorcerer..................Llirasa Andralu, Dunmer Templar...................Marzug gro-Borgaz, Orc Warden
Calinchel, Bosmer Warden...................Jahrel-Xei, Argonian Nightblade....................Cienri Maraeud, Breton Sorcerer
Inara Savicci, Imperial Templar...................Garoric Attilus, Imperial Dragonknight............ Maevina Tallian, Imperial Nightblade
Ravanni-Ko, Khajiit Dragonknight..........Faevyn Ice-Heart, Nord Warden..........Nazran al-Taneth, Redguard Dragonknight0 -
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✭✭✭✭Well, cliffracer fly from your char position toward enemy, so it like ordinary projectile that easy to block/dodge.
Well, it is less than 10k aoe in pvp that will be possible to activate only when bear will be alive, i.e. probably mostly never.hmsdragonfly wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »hmsdragonfly wrote: »If you think it's OP, check out the bear ultimate lol.
The ultimate thats most people haven't had a chance to test yet?
The screenshot leak shows 3.7k~ magic dmg... which is gonna be like 1k~ in pvp to players. The special costing 75 ult for 20k dmg seems to be in range leap or templar spear ult. But the bear has to be alive.
If the bear acts like current pets it'll be ravaged by skills that attack a lot like flurry or jabs/sweeps.
Kind of hard to say something is strong from a picture.
Ummm, nope.
75 Ult for 20k magic damage AOE execute.
I completely understand that the stats are not balanced yet, but it does look ridiculous.
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Skayaq✭✭✭✭✭PelinalWhitestrake wrote: »
Going by the description, the Guardian's Wrath will most definitely deal AoE, as the next sentence says targets.
Nowhere in that description does it say AOE.hmsdragonfly wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »hmsdragonfly wrote: »If you think it's OP, check out the bear ultimate lol.
The ultimate thats most people haven't had a chance to test yet?
The screenshot leak shows 3.7k~ magic dmg... which is gonna be like 1k~ in pvp to players. The special costing 75 ult for 20k dmg seems to be in range leap or templar spear ult. But the bear has to be alive.
If the bear acts like current pets it'll be ravaged by skills that attack a lot like flurry or jabs/sweeps.
Kind of hard to say something is strong from a picture.
Ummm, nope.
75 Ult for 20k magic damage AOE execute.
edit: I sure hope one of the morphs makes the bear deal physical damage.
So does killer's blade, last I checked that was still only a single target ability.Kazari-Dar, Khajiit Nightblade..........Jarkyr Storm-Blade, Nord Sorcerer .......... Dunric Amedain, Breton Templar
Araniwen, Altmer Sorcerer..................Llirasa Andralu, Dunmer Templar...................Marzug gro-Borgaz, Orc Warden
Calinchel, Bosmer Warden...................Jahrel-Xei, Argonian Nightblade....................Cienri Maraeud, Breton Sorcerer
Inara Savicci, Imperial Templar...................Garoric Attilus, Imperial Dragonknight............ Maevina Tallian, Imperial Nightblade
Ravanni-Ko, Khajiit Dragonknight..........Faevyn Ice-Heart, Nord Warden..........Nazran al-Taneth, Redguard Dragonknight0 -
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✭✭✭There is a good chance that this will change several times before it goes live.
There is always so much speculation around here. Let's see what actually goes live before we scream OP or nerf.0
