A quick question about PVE magsorc

RazielSR · March 2017

If you dont have at the moment bsw staff,nor moondancer staff nor maelsmtrom staff would you go:

Head: ilambris
Shoulders: ilambris
jewelry:bsw
body:2 bsw+3 julianos
inferno staff:julianos
dual wield:julianos

OR

Head: kena
Shoulders: julianos
jewelry:bsw
body:2 bsw+3 julianos
inferno staff:julianos
dual wield:julianos

OR

Head: ilambris
Shoulders: moondancer
jewelry:bsw
body:2 bsw+3 moondancer
inferno staff:julianos or whatever
dual wield: torug

Or another?

I went in the past overload with elegant and ilambris but overload is not profitable now.

Merlin13KAGL · March 2017

#1 or #2 would work, assuming you have the desired traits.

If you opted for #3, I'd swap ilambris with kena - bit more DPS, little less magicka. You'll honestly probably get more out of #1 or #2 with full ilambris procs than you will from the +260 SD kena/4 pc MD though, plus it's free damage & ilambris can proc spellweave.

(If have the set items listed, you can always try the combinations above and suggested and see which one gives you the best #'s for your playstyle - takes but a moment to swap ilambris shoulder with MD shoulders, etc)

If for some reason you're not running any lightning spells (I assume LL is probably on there), you can always put a shock glyph on the fire staff for the other ilmabris proc.

Best of luck reaving those souls.

RazielSR · March 2017

Many thanks for the answer.

So better to lose 5 pieces bonus julianos to favour ilambris then.

Better go firedestro/shockdestro than firedestro/dw?

Merlin13KAGL · March 2017

Yes, Yes, and no.

You can make one additional piece (the 5th piece) of Jul's armor (you can even make that one cp150 for almost no mats), just for testing, plus an additional lightning &/or healing staff.

This will let you try out all combinations for ~ 50 extra mats (@cp150) It will also let you swap out things based on situation if you need to.

Lighting with maxed passive has crazy strong splash damage and heavy attacks regen resources (not generally possible with dual wield).

It comes down you your skill choices and playstyle mostly. Options are never a bad thing!

WarpigFunk · March 2017

I'd go get arcane Willpower jewelry and enchant with spell damage - go 5 body pc BSW, 2 ilambris and 3pc willpower. That setup will outperform all the setups you mentioned imo - and I'd just gold out and use any random inferno back bar / lightning front bar.
I'd try to have all divines, or if necessary 1-2 of the big armor pieces infused (head, leg, or chest).

Use that until you get Aether or Moondancer jewelry and Maelstrom / Aether / Moondancer staffs.

going DW or overload dependent builds was never my style. Tried it, wasn't my cup of tea.

Also, if you have sustain issues, use Health/ Mag recovery drink instead of Health/ Mag food. I've found that 36k magicka with 1500+ recovery can mean more (sustained) DPS than 43k magicka with like 800 recovery.

Edit: I hasten to add ... of the 3 options you listed, #1 is the most amenable imo.

Oreyn_Bearclaw · March 2017

I dont like any of your answers. Is moondancer jewelry out of the question for you? With no staffs, here is what I would run:

Option 1:

Head Shoulders: Llambris
Body: 4 Julianos, 1 Moondancer
Jewelry: Moondancer
Weapons: Sharp Julianos (you really need 3, 2 fires and a lighting, as you will want to change your frontbar depending on content)

Result: 5 Julianos, 2 llambris, 4 Moondancer (you could also swap TBS for Julianos, not the worst idea for learning hardmodes. It's how I learned VMOL)

Option 2:

Head Shoulders: Llambris
Body: 5 BSW
Jewelry Moondancer (or willpower if you dont have it)
Weapons: Any Sharp staffs.

Result: 5 BSW, 2 llambris, 3 Moondancer.

I am acutally not sure which one is better, but I think it is very close.. The question comes up so much that I should probably test it. BSW is better than Julianos, but I am not sure its better than julianos plus an extra spell damage bonus. That is essentially the comparison. For the love of god dont run 4 piece julianos.

Edit: Nobody is running swords on back bar anymore. That meta died almost a year ago. We back bar our DOTS (LL and Blockade) so you need a staff. You also want to be able to weave your execute.

Meta Gear is 5 BSW, 2 Llambris, 3-4 Moondancer. Front bar moondancer staff, back bar VMA staff. Keep that in mind when you build.

RazielSR · March 2017

Ok thanks I'm going with your option 2: 5 BSW, 2 llambris, 3 Moondancer.

Oreyn_Bearclaw · March 2017

RazielSR wrote: »

Ok thanks I'm going with your option 2: 5 BSW, 2 llambris, 3 Moondancer.

Solid play, makes it easy to just add your moondancer and VMA staffs when you get them (good luck on that). I do plan to test the difference. I am pretty sure I have the stuff to run both. My instinct is that it is really close. If you are going to use dead staffs, I would just make them in Julianos. That way you can always use them on another build. Sorcs should back bar a fire staff, and the front bar is content dependent. I use Fire front bar on trial bosses or anything pure single target, and lighting on pretty much everything else. The splash damage from a lighting staff is pretty ridiculous. There is no reason to run an AOE spam like ring.

Super easy sorc bars fro everything from Pug dungeons to VMOL HM:

Front Bar: Force Pulse, Mages Wrath, Crystal Frags, Bound Armor, Inner light, Meteor
Back Bar: Liquid Lighting, Blockade, Haunting Curse, Bound Armor, Hardened Ward (power surge), Elemental Rage.

You really dont need IL on your back bar, so its a great spot for a shield or power surge. Power surge is less DPS, but it can save you the potion bill in easier content. If you are comfortable with no shield and want to run a pet (lots of DPS, but not always viable), you can replace IL and the shield to slot your pet (requires potions). If you want pets and a shield, then just replace bound armor with the pet.

If you need an overload bar for some reason, back bar it. Only place that I do this is VMOL last boss if I am doing back room.

RazielSR · March 2017

MANY THANKS. Perfect explanation.