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Let's Discuss Stamina Templar Tanks
austinwalter87ub17_ESO
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I recently made an alt one using Bloodspawn, Armor Master, and Footmans. Sturdy small pieces and Reinforced Large.
He tanks exceptionally well and he provides the group additional spell critical and 5% spell damage as well as minor fracture/breach from Power of the Light, and the damage itself. Easily achieves 38k in both resists (40k hard cap 35k soft cap) with purple gear. Emergency group heal from ulti, warhorn, cleanse.
Why exactly do people never consider Templar Stamtanks as viable?
He tanks exceptionally well and he provides the group additional spell critical and 5% spell damage as well as minor fracture/breach from Power of the Light, and the damage itself. Easily achieves 38k in both resists (40k hard cap 35k soft cap) with purple gear. Emergency group heal from ulti, warhorn, cleanse.
Why exactly do people never consider Templar Stamtanks as viable?
PC and PS4 (bring back character transfers please?)
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Sordidfairytale✭✭✭✭✭Chains and lack of a good CC come to mind. It's unfortunate because it's a damn good tank. You could swap Bloodspawn for Swarm Mother to accommodate chains though.The Vegemite Knight3 -
austinwalter87ub17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭Sordidfairytale wrote: »Chains and lack of a good CC come to mind. It's unfortunate because it's a damn good tank. You could swap Bloodspawn for Swarm Mother to accommodate chains though.
This was the only thing I could figure out as well. That and DK'S have better self sustain for bosses with stamina on ulti use. Any fight with adds though repentence is amazing.PC and PS4 (bring back character transfers please?)
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✭GET THEM OUT OF MY GROUP IMMEDIATELY!
They have no CC, weak self heals, and the worst part is they spam this wet noodle ass repemtence. They just run up to the mobs ur killing amd spam it amd you get like 800 stamina back vs like 30-40k. They're a walking debuff for the entire group. Insta kicking them isn't a good enough punishment.5 -
austinwalter87ub17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭Ep1kMalware wrote: »GET THEM OUT OF MY GROUP IMMEDIATELY!
They have no CC, weak self heals, and the worst part is they spam this wet noodle ass repemtence. They just run up to the mobs ur killing amd spam it amd you get like 800 stamina back vs like 30-40k. They're a walking debuff for the entire group. Insta kicking them isn't a good enough punishment.
Did Vet DSA with mine last night quite easily.PC and PS4 (bring back character transfers please?)
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Ep1kMalware✭✭✭✭✭
✭austinwalter87ub17_ESO wrote: »Ep1kMalware wrote: »GET THEM OUT OF MY GROUP IMMEDIATELY!
They have no CC, weak self heals, and the worst part is they spam this wet noodle ass repemtence. They just run up to the mobs ur killing amd spam it amd you get like 800 stamina back vs like 30-40k. They're a walking debuff for the entire group. Insta kicking them isn't a good enough punishment.
Did Vet DSA with mine last night quite easily.
vdsa isn't hard, we use a dps to tank last boss neway.1 -
Ajaxduo✭✭✭✭✭They lack the utility of DK, but any class can tank, any class can heal or dps. You just met a few idiots is all. I run stamina templar tank and I've never had any complaints, I use Tava's, Bloodspawn and 2 Agility + 5 Akaviri Dragonguard. I use Caltrops and Ritual of Retribution as nice slows on large groups and focus my taunts on targets that are running for other group members. The funny thing is Templar tank is actually 'good', you'll often run with a healer that isn't a templar so you can give Shards to stamina dps as well as Repentance, you should also use Power of The Light as you give minor breach and minor fracture increasing your groups dps further. A good Templar tank makes healers not required.
Had to quote this because it made me laugh.Ep1kMalware wrote: »GET THEM OUT OF MY GROUP IMMEDIATELY!
They have no CC, weak self heals, and the worst part is they spam this wet noodle ass repemtence. They just run up to the mobs ur killing amd spam it amd you get like 800 stamina back vs like 30-40k. They're a walking debuff for the entire group. Insta kicking them isn't a good enough punishment.
Sorry mate, either you've met bad tanks or you really have no clue what you are talking about. Templar tank brings unique tools to group, supporting both magicka and stamina dps. As I said before a good Templar tank can make a healer redundant so you can run 3 DD's. Also you are completely incorrect about Repentance;
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✭They lack the utility of DK, but any class can tank, any class can heal or dps. You just met a few idiots is all. I run stamina templar tank and I've never had any complaints, I use Tava's, Bloodspawn and 2 Agility + 5 Akaviri Dragonguard. I use Caltrops and Ritual of Retribution as nice slows on large groups and focus my taunts on targets that are running for other group members. The funny thing is Templar tank is actually 'good', you'll often run with a healer that isn't a templar so you can give Shards to stamina dps as well as Repentance, you should also use Power of The Light as you give minor breach and minor fracture increasing your groups dps further. A good Templar tank makes healers not required.
Had to quote this because it made me laugh.Ep1kMalware wrote: »GET THEM OUT OF MY GROUP IMMEDIATELY!
They have no CC, weak self heals, and the worst part is they spam this wet noodle ass repemtence. They just run up to the mobs ur killing amd spam it amd you get like 800 stamina back vs like 30-40k. They're a walking debuff for the entire group. Insta kicking them isn't a good enough punishment.
Sorry mate, either you've met bad tanks or you really have no clue what you are talking about. Templar tank brings unique tools to group, supporting both magicka and stamina dps. As I said before a good Templar tank can make a healer redundant so you can run 3 DD's. Also you are completely incorrect about Repentance;
Congratulations for being the only templar tank in all of tamriel that does something for your group rather than stack everything into health. -.- But healers are redundant anyway and have no use outside veteran trials save maybebassisting low levels with node picking.
I still would probably pick you last for vdsa though due to how the last boss is fought. Here is why:
You take boss, run to us, we run to boss side. Fire happens, you bring is boss, we dps snot out of it until adds. You tank adds (all of them) and we tank and burn boss. The fight is very very short but non dks can barely sustain in that fight.Edited by Ep1kMalware on March 8, 2017 11:32PM1 -
austinwalter87ub17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭Ep1kMalware wrote: »They lack the utility of DK, but any class can tank, any class can heal or dps. You just met a few idiots is all. I run stamina templar tank and I've never had any complaints, I use Tava's, Bloodspawn and 2 Agility + 5 Akaviri Dragonguard. I use Caltrops and Ritual of Retribution as nice slows on large groups and focus my taunts on targets that are running for other group members. The funny thing is Templar tank is actually 'good', you'll often run with a healer that isn't a templar so you can give Shards to stamina dps as well as Repentance, you should also use Power of The Light as you give minor breach and minor fracture increasing your groups dps further. A good Templar tank makes healers not required.
Had to quote this because it made me laugh.Ep1kMalware wrote: »GET THEM OUT OF MY GROUP IMMEDIATELY!
They have no CC, weak self heals, and the worst part is they spam this wet noodle ass repemtence. They just run up to the mobs ur killing amd spam it amd you get like 800 stamina back vs like 30-40k. They're a walking debuff for the entire group. Insta kicking them isn't a good enough punishment.
Sorry mate, either you've met bad tanks or you really have no clue what you are talking about. Templar tank brings unique tools to group, supporting both magicka and stamina dps. As I said before a good Templar tank can make a healer redundant so you can run 3 DD's. Also you are completely incorrect about Repentance;
Congratulations for being the only templar tank in all of tamriel that does something for your group rather than stack everything into health. -.- But healers are redundant anyway and have no use outside veteran trials save maybebassisting low levels with node picking.
I still would probably pick you last for vdsa though due to how the last boss is fought. Here is why:
You take boss, run to us, we run to boss side. Fire happens, you bring is boss, we dps snot out of it until adds. You tank adds (all of them) and we tank and burn boss. The fight is very very short but non dks can barely sustain in that fight.
Why can non DK barely sustain in that fight? Extended Ritual for Major Mending, Vigor, use Rememberance for healing yourself back to full, stamina potions if needed. I just did it last night.PC and PS4 (bring back character transfers please?)
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austinwalter87ub17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭I do think the lack of good tanking CC is the biggest downfall to Templar Tanks.PC and PS4 (bring back character transfers please?)
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Ajaxduo✭✭✭✭✭austinwalter87ub17_ESO wrote: »I do think the lack of good tanking CC is the biggest downfall to Templar Tanks.
It is a shame that Silver Leash was changed to no longer pull enemies to you.- - -
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✭austinwalter87ub17_ESO wrote: »Ep1kMalware wrote: »They lack the utility of DK, but any class can tank, any class can heal or dps. You just met a few idiots is all. I run stamina templar tank and I've never had any complaints, I use Tava's, Bloodspawn and 2 Agility + 5 Akaviri Dragonguard. I use Caltrops and Ritual of Retribution as nice slows on large groups and focus my taunts on targets that are running for other group members. The funny thing is Templar tank is actually 'good', you'll often run with a healer that isn't a templar so you can give Shards to stamina dps as well as Repentance, you should also use Power of The Light as you give minor breach and minor fracture increasing your groups dps further. A good Templar tank makes healers not required.
Had to quote this because it made me laugh.Ep1kMalware wrote: »GET THEM OUT OF MY GROUP IMMEDIATELY!
They have no CC, weak self heals, and the worst part is they spam this wet noodle ass repemtence. They just run up to the mobs ur killing amd spam it amd you get like 800 stamina back vs like 30-40k. They're a walking debuff for the entire group. Insta kicking them isn't a good enough punishment.
Sorry mate, either you've met bad tanks or you really have no clue what you are talking about. Templar tank brings unique tools to group, supporting both magicka and stamina dps. As I said before a good Templar tank can make a healer redundant so you can run 3 DD's. Also you are completely incorrect about Repentance;
Congratulations for being the only templar tank in all of tamriel that does something for your group rather than stack everything into health. -.- But healers are redundant anyway and have no use outside veteran trials save maybebassisting low levels with node picking.
I still would probably pick you last for vdsa though due to how the last boss is fought. Here is why:
You take boss, run to us, we run to boss side. Fire happens, you bring is boss, we dps snot out of it until adds. You tank adds (all of them) and we tank and burn boss. The fight is very very short but non dks can barely sustain in that fight.
Why can non DK barely sustain in that fight? Extended Ritual for Major Mending, Vigor, use Rememberance for healing yourself back to full, stamina potions if needed. I just did it last night.
Because you're tanking the 5 adds and their novas/negates -.- you rly need the defense buffs/green dragons blood. I'm not saying non dks cant to it. I'm saying non dks are going to struggle to do it. But you might be able to get into a progression group if you don't mif 5hr completion times for dsa.0 -
austinwalter87ub17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭Ep1kMalware wrote: »austinwalter87ub17_ESO wrote: »Ep1kMalware wrote: »They lack the utility of DK, but any class can tank, any class can heal or dps. You just met a few idiots is all. I run stamina templar tank and I've never had any complaints, I use Tava's, Bloodspawn and 2 Agility + 5 Akaviri Dragonguard. I use Caltrops and Ritual of Retribution as nice slows on large groups and focus my taunts on targets that are running for other group members. The funny thing is Templar tank is actually 'good', you'll often run with a healer that isn't a templar so you can give Shards to stamina dps as well as Repentance, you should also use Power of The Light as you give minor breach and minor fracture increasing your groups dps further. A good Templar tank makes healers not required.
Had to quote this because it made me laugh.Ep1kMalware wrote: »GET THEM OUT OF MY GROUP IMMEDIATELY!
They have no CC, weak self heals, and the worst part is they spam this wet noodle ass repemtence. They just run up to the mobs ur killing amd spam it amd you get like 800 stamina back vs like 30-40k. They're a walking debuff for the entire group. Insta kicking them isn't a good enough punishment.
Sorry mate, either you've met bad tanks or you really have no clue what you are talking about. Templar tank brings unique tools to group, supporting both magicka and stamina dps. As I said before a good Templar tank can make a healer redundant so you can run 3 DD's. Also you are completely incorrect about Repentance;
Congratulations for being the only templar tank in all of tamriel that does something for your group rather than stack everything into health. -.- But healers are redundant anyway and have no use outside veteran trials save maybebassisting low levels with node picking.
I still would probably pick you last for vdsa though due to how the last boss is fought. Here is why:
You take boss, run to us, we run to boss side. Fire happens, you bring is boss, we dps snot out of it until adds. You tank adds (all of them) and we tank and burn boss. The fight is very very short but non dks can barely sustain in that fight.
Why can non DK barely sustain in that fight? Extended Ritual for Major Mending, Vigor, use Rememberance for healing yourself back to full, stamina potions if needed. I just did it last night.
Because you're tanking the 5 adds and their novas/negates -.- you rly need the defense buffs/green dragons blood. I'm not saying non dks cant to it. I'm saying non dks are going to struggle to do it. But you might be able to get into a progression group if you don't mif 5hr completion times for dsa.
Rememberance is a pretty low cost ultimate and doesnt tap into my stamina/magicka. Which means I get to save my Stam for vigor/blocking and heal myself to full. I can sustain myself in a different way using this method of preventing stamina usage. I also regenerate stamina while remembrances channel is active. Plus the benefit of it being a group heal/mitigationPC and PS4 (bring back character transfers please?)
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✭austinwalter87ub17_ESO wrote: »Ep1kMalware wrote: »austinwalter87ub17_ESO wrote: »Ep1kMalware wrote: »They lack the utility of DK, but any class can tank, any class can heal or dps. You just met a few idiots is all. I run stamina templar tank and I've never had any complaints, I use Tava's, Bloodspawn and 2 Agility + 5 Akaviri Dragonguard. I use Caltrops and Ritual of Retribution as nice slows on large groups and focus my taunts on targets that are running for other group members. The funny thing is Templar tank is actually 'good', you'll often run with a healer that isn't a templar so you can give Shards to stamina dps as well as Repentance, you should also use Power of The Light as you give minor breach and minor fracture increasing your groups dps further. A good Templar tank makes healers not required.
Had to quote this because it made me laugh.Ep1kMalware wrote: »GET THEM OUT OF MY GROUP IMMEDIATELY!
They have no CC, weak self heals, and the worst part is they spam this wet noodle ass repemtence. They just run up to the mobs ur killing amd spam it amd you get like 800 stamina back vs like 30-40k. They're a walking debuff for the entire group. Insta kicking them isn't a good enough punishment.
Sorry mate, either you've met bad tanks or you really have no clue what you are talking about. Templar tank brings unique tools to group, supporting both magicka and stamina dps. As I said before a good Templar tank can make a healer redundant so you can run 3 DD's. Also you are completely incorrect about Repentance;
Congratulations for being the only templar tank in all of tamriel that does something for your group rather than stack everything into health. -.- But healers are redundant anyway and have no use outside veteran trials save maybebassisting low levels with node picking.
I still would probably pick you last for vdsa though due to how the last boss is fought. Here is why:
You take boss, run to us, we run to boss side. Fire happens, you bring is boss, we dps snot out of it until adds. You tank adds (all of them) and we tank and burn boss. The fight is very very short but non dks can barely sustain in that fight.
Why can non DK barely sustain in that fight? Extended Ritual for Major Mending, Vigor, use Rememberance for healing yourself back to full, stamina potions if needed. I just did it last night.
Because you're tanking the 5 adds and their novas/negates -.- you rly need the defense buffs/green dragons blood. I'm not saying non dks cant to it. I'm saying non dks are going to struggle to do it. But you might be able to get into a progression group if you don't mif 5hr completion times for dsa.
Rememberance is a pretty low cost ultimate and doesnt tap into my stamina/magicka. Which means I get to save my Stam for vigor/blocking and heal myself to full. I can sustain myself in a different way using this method of preventing stamina usage. I also regenerate stamina while remembrances channel is active. Plus the benefit of it being a group heal/mitigation
That's not even going to work? You're going to be on the oposite side of the boss room by yourself with no outside support getting spamm cc'd, with novas and negates. At the very least you need focused ritual.0 -
Sordidfairytale✭✭✭✭✭Ep1kMalware wrote: »austinwalter87ub17_ESO wrote: »Ep1kMalware wrote: »They lack the utility of DK, but any class can tank, any class can heal or dps. You just met a few idiots is all. I run stamina templar tank and I've never had any complaints, I use Tava's, Bloodspawn and 2 Agility + 5 Akaviri Dragonguard. I use Caltrops and Ritual of Retribution as nice slows on large groups and focus my taunts on targets that are running for other group members. The funny thing is Templar tank is actually 'good', you'll often run with a healer that isn't a templar so you can give Shards to stamina dps as well as Repentance, you should also use Power of The Light as you give minor breach and minor fracture increasing your groups dps further. A good Templar tank makes healers not required.
Had to quote this because it made me laugh.Ep1kMalware wrote: »GET THEM OUT OF MY GROUP IMMEDIATELY!
They have no CC, weak self heals, and the worst part is they spam this wet noodle ass repemtence. They just run up to the mobs ur killing amd spam it amd you get like 800 stamina back vs like 30-40k. They're a walking debuff for the entire group. Insta kicking them isn't a good enough punishment.
Sorry mate, either you've met bad tanks or you really have no clue what you are talking about. Templar tank brings unique tools to group, supporting both magicka and stamina dps. As I said before a good Templar tank can make a healer redundant so you can run 3 DD's. Also you are completely incorrect about Repentance;
Congratulations for being the only templar tank in all of tamriel that does something for your group rather than stack everything into health. -.- But healers are redundant anyway and have no use outside veteran trials save maybebassisting low levels with node picking.
I still would probably pick you last for vdsa though due to how the last boss is fought. Here is why:
You take boss, run to us, we run to boss side. Fire happens, you bring is boss, we dps snot out of it until adds. You tank adds (all of them) and we tank and burn boss. The fight is very very short but non dks can barely sustain in that fight.
Why can non DK barely sustain in that fight? Extended Ritual for Major Mending, Vigor, use Rememberance for healing yourself back to full, stamina potions if needed. I just did it last night.
Because you're tanking the 5 adds and their novas/negates -.- you rly need the defense buffs/green dragons blood. I'm not saying non dks cant to it. I'm saying non dks are going to struggle to do it. But you might be able to get into a progression group if you don't mif 5hr completion times for dsa.
I respect your opinion, but he has stated twice on this thread that he HAS done it. So...Ep1kMalware wrote: »austinwalter87ub17_ESO wrote: »Ep1kMalware wrote: »austinwalter87ub17_ESO wrote: »Ep1kMalware wrote: »They lack the utility of DK, but any class can tank, any class can heal or dps. You just met a few idiots is all. I run stamina templar tank and I've never had any complaints, I use Tava's, Bloodspawn and 2 Agility + 5 Akaviri Dragonguard. I use Caltrops and Ritual of Retribution as nice slows on large groups and focus my taunts on targets that are running for other group members. The funny thing is Templar tank is actually 'good', you'll often run with a healer that isn't a templar so you can give Shards to stamina dps as well as Repentance, you should also use Power of The Light as you give minor breach and minor fracture increasing your groups dps further. A good Templar tank makes healers not required.
Had to quote this because it made me laugh.Ep1kMalware wrote: »GET THEM OUT OF MY GROUP IMMEDIATELY!
They have no CC, weak self heals, and the worst part is they spam this wet noodle ass repemtence. They just run up to the mobs ur killing amd spam it amd you get like 800 stamina back vs like 30-40k. They're a walking debuff for the entire group. Insta kicking them isn't a good enough punishment.
Sorry mate, either you've met bad tanks or you really have no clue what you are talking about. Templar tank brings unique tools to group, supporting both magicka and stamina dps. As I said before a good Templar tank can make a healer redundant so you can run 3 DD's. Also you are completely incorrect about Repentance;
Congratulations for being the only templar tank in all of tamriel that does something for your group rather than stack everything into health. -.- But healers are redundant anyway and have no use outside veteran trials save maybebassisting low levels with node picking.
I still would probably pick you last for vdsa though due to how the last boss is fought. Here is why:
You take boss, run to us, we run to boss side. Fire happens, you bring is boss, we dps snot out of it until adds. You tank adds (all of them) and we tank and burn boss. The fight is very very short but non dks can barely sustain in that fight.
Why can non DK barely sustain in that fight? Extended Ritual for Major Mending, Vigor, use Rememberance for healing yourself back to full, stamina potions if needed. I just did it last night.
Because you're tanking the 5 adds and their novas/negates -.- you rly need the defense buffs/green dragons blood. I'm not saying non dks cant to it. I'm saying non dks are going to struggle to do it. But you might be able to get into a progression group if you don't mif 5hr completion times for dsa.
Rememberance is a pretty low cost ultimate and doesnt tap into my stamina/magicka. Which means I get to save my Stam for vigor/blocking and heal myself to full. I can sustain myself in a different way using this method of preventing stamina usage. I also regenerate stamina while remembrances channel is active. Plus the benefit of it being a group heal/mitigation
That's not even going to work? You're going to be on the oposite side of the boss room by yourself with no outside support getting spamm cc'd, with novas and negates. At the very least you need focused ritual.
Well he has said twice on this thread that he completed vDSA so... different strokes?The Vegemite Knight0 -
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✭Sordidfairytale wrote: »Ep1kMalware wrote: »austinwalter87ub17_ESO wrote: »Ep1kMalware wrote: »They lack the utility of DK, but any class can tank, any class can heal or dps. You just met a few idiots is all. I run stamina templar tank and I've never had any complaints, I use Tava's, Bloodspawn and 2 Agility + 5 Akaviri Dragonguard. I use Caltrops and Ritual of Retribution as nice slows on large groups and focus my taunts on targets that are running for other group members. The funny thing is Templar tank is actually 'good', you'll often run with a healer that isn't a templar so you can give Shards to stamina dps as well as Repentance, you should also use Power of The Light as you give minor breach and minor fracture increasing your groups dps further. A good Templar tank makes healers not required.
Had to quote this because it made me laugh.Ep1kMalware wrote: »GET THEM OUT OF MY GROUP IMMEDIATELY!
They have no CC, weak self heals, and the worst part is they spam this wet noodle ass repemtence. They just run up to the mobs ur killing amd spam it amd you get like 800 stamina back vs like 30-40k. They're a walking debuff for the entire group. Insta kicking them isn't a good enough punishment.
Sorry mate, either you've met bad tanks or you really have no clue what you are talking about. Templar tank brings unique tools to group, supporting both magicka and stamina dps. As I said before a good Templar tank can make a healer redundant so you can run 3 DD's. Also you are completely incorrect about Repentance;
Congratulations for being the only templar tank in all of tamriel that does something for your group rather than stack everything into health. -.- But healers are redundant anyway and have no use outside veteran trials save maybebassisting low levels with node picking.
I still would probably pick you last for vdsa though due to how the last boss is fought. Here is why:
You take boss, run to us, we run to boss side. Fire happens, you bring is boss, we dps snot out of it until adds. You tank adds (all of them) and we tank and burn boss. The fight is very very short but non dks can barely sustain in that fight.
Why can non DK barely sustain in that fight? Extended Ritual for Major Mending, Vigor, use Rememberance for healing yourself back to full, stamina potions if needed. I just did it last night.
Because you're tanking the 5 adds and their novas/negates -.- you rly need the defense buffs/green dragons blood. I'm not saying non dks cant to it. I'm saying non dks are going to struggle to do it. But you might be able to get into a progression group if you don't mif 5hr completion times for dsa.
I respect your opinion, but he has stated twice on this thread that he HAS done it. So...Ep1kMalware wrote: »austinwalter87ub17_ESO wrote: »Ep1kMalware wrote: »austinwalter87ub17_ESO wrote: »Ep1kMalware wrote: »They lack the utility of DK, but any class can tank, any class can heal or dps. You just met a few idiots is all. I run stamina templar tank and I've never had any complaints, I use Tava's, Bloodspawn and 2 Agility + 5 Akaviri Dragonguard. I use Caltrops and Ritual of Retribution as nice slows on large groups and focus my taunts on targets that are running for other group members. The funny thing is Templar tank is actually 'good', you'll often run with a healer that isn't a templar so you can give Shards to stamina dps as well as Repentance, you should also use Power of The Light as you give minor breach and minor fracture increasing your groups dps further. A good Templar tank makes healers not required.
Had to quote this because it made me laugh.Ep1kMalware wrote: »GET THEM OUT OF MY GROUP IMMEDIATELY!
They have no CC, weak self heals, and the worst part is they spam this wet noodle ass repemtence. They just run up to the mobs ur killing amd spam it amd you get like 800 stamina back vs like 30-40k. They're a walking debuff for the entire group. Insta kicking them isn't a good enough punishment.
Sorry mate, either you've met bad tanks or you really have no clue what you are talking about. Templar tank brings unique tools to group, supporting both magicka and stamina dps. As I said before a good Templar tank can make a healer redundant so you can run 3 DD's. Also you are completely incorrect about Repentance;
Congratulations for being the only templar tank in all of tamriel that does something for your group rather than stack everything into health. -.- But healers are redundant anyway and have no use outside veteran trials save maybebassisting low levels with node picking.
I still would probably pick you last for vdsa though due to how the last boss is fought. Here is why:
You take boss, run to us, we run to boss side. Fire happens, you bring is boss, we dps snot out of it until adds. You tank adds (all of them) and we tank and burn boss. The fight is very very short but non dks can barely sustain in that fight.
Why can non DK barely sustain in that fight? Extended Ritual for Major Mending, Vigor, use Rememberance for healing yourself back to full, stamina potions if needed. I just did it last night.
Because you're tanking the 5 adds and their novas/negates -.- you rly need the defense buffs/green dragons blood. I'm not saying non dks cant to it. I'm saying non dks are going to struggle to do it. But you might be able to get into a progression group if you don't mif 5hr completion times for dsa.
Rememberance is a pretty low cost ultimate and doesnt tap into my stamina/magicka. Which means I get to save my Stam for vigor/blocking and heal myself to full. I can sustain myself in a different way using this method of preventing stamina usage. I also regenerate stamina while remembrances channel is active. Plus the benefit of it being a group heal/mitigation
That's not even going to work? You're going to be on the oposite side of the boss room by yourself with no outside support getting spamm cc'd, with novas and negates. At the very least you need focused ritual.
Well he has said twice on this thread that he completed vDSA so... different strokes?
Right, but my point isn't the ability to complete, it's the inability to complete effectively. It's not about weather or not that guy can complete vdsa if given enough time. The thread is about templar tanks in general amd vdsa is a prime example.0 -
Sordidfairytale✭✭✭✭✭Ep1kMalware wrote: »
Right, but my point isn't the ability to complete, it's the inability to complete effectively. It's not about weather or not that guy can complete vdsa if given enough time. The thread is about templar tanks in general amd vdsa is a prime example.
Perhaps you missed this post then (emphasis mine):austinwalter87ub17_ESO wrote: »Ep1kMalware wrote: »GET THEM OUT OF MY GROUP IMMEDIATELY!
They have no CC, weak self heals, and the worst part is they spam this wet noodle ass repemtence. They just run up to the mobs ur killing amd spam it amd you get like 800 stamina back vs like 30-40k. They're a walking debuff for the entire group. Insta kicking them isn't a good enough punishment.
Did Vet DSA with mine last night quite easily.Edited by Sordidfairytale on March 9, 2017 12:30AMThe Vegemite Knight1 -
flizomica✭✭✭✭✭Temp tanks dont have an equivalent to chains/talons and lack the amazing resource management of a DK.
Bloodspawn, Armor Master, and Footmans - makes you extremely tanky but it's a selfish setup in that it doesn't benefit your group at all.
also there's no point in going over 32500 (?) armor as that is the mitigation cap.1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭As a lot of people have already mentioned chains and a talons are a very huge advantage DK tanks have and there is no way templar can fill those holes in his build.
But in my opinion templar tanks are not favored because templar healers are so good. Even in 4-man content you don't really need two of the same class utility. Most tricks templar tank can bring to the table have already been taken by templar healers. And I'm not even talking about trials where two templar healers render templar tank absolutely useless. And majority of healers are templars, so unless you have a non-templar healer friend you always run with you will be outclassed by most DKs.
Another issue can be seen in OP's first post. Armor master and footman are not good tanking sets. They are tanky sets but they lack the utility generic ebon/alkosh build brings. The difference between good tank and great tank is the amount of tankiness he can trade for some extra utility. Not exactly a templar problem but just another thing to consider.
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The_Duke✭✭✭✭Ep1kMalware wrote: »austinwalter87ub17_ESO wrote: »Ep1kMalware wrote: »They lack the utility of DK, but any class can tank, any class can heal or dps. You just met a few idiots is all. I run stamina templar tank and I've never had any complaints, I use Tava's, Bloodspawn and 2 Agility + 5 Akaviri Dragonguard. I use Caltrops and Ritual of Retribution as nice slows on large groups and focus my taunts on targets that are running for other group members. The funny thing is Templar tank is actually 'good', you'll often run with a healer that isn't a templar so you can give Shards to stamina dps as well as Repentance, you should also use Power of The Light as you give minor breach and minor fracture increasing your groups dps further. A good Templar tank makes healers not required.
Had to quote this because it made me laugh.Ep1kMalware wrote: »GET THEM OUT OF MY GROUP IMMEDIATELY!
They have no CC, weak self heals, and the worst part is they spam this wet noodle ass repemtence. They just run up to the mobs ur killing amd spam it amd you get like 800 stamina back vs like 30-40k. They're a walking debuff for the entire group. Insta kicking them isn't a good enough punishment.
Sorry mate, either you've met bad tanks or you really have no clue what you are talking about. Templar tank brings unique tools to group, supporting both magicka and stamina dps. As I said before a good Templar tank can make a healer redundant so you can run 3 DD's. Also you are completely incorrect about Repentance;
Congratulations for being the only templar tank in all of tamriel that does something for your group rather than stack everything into health. -.- But healers are redundant anyway and have no use outside veteran trials save maybebassisting low levels with node picking.
I still would probably pick you last for vdsa though due to how the last boss is fought. Here is why:
You take boss, run to us, we run to boss side. Fire happens, you bring is boss, we dps snot out of it until adds. You tank adds (all of them) and we tank and burn boss. The fight is very very short but non dks can barely sustain in that fight.
Why can non DK barely sustain in that fight? Extended Ritual for Major Mending, Vigor, use Rememberance for healing yourself back to full, stamina potions if needed. I just did it last night.
Because you're tanking the 5 adds and their novas/negates -.- you rly need the defense buffs/green dragons blood. I'm not saying non dks cant to it. I'm saying non dks are going to struggle to do it. But you might be able to get into a progression group if you don't mif 5hr completion times for dsa.
Ive done it on a sap tank and a stamsorc tank countless times. Any class can tank it if they know what they are doing.The Duke
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flizomica✭✭✭✭✭Ep1kMalware wrote: »austinwalter87ub17_ESO wrote: »Ep1kMalware wrote: »They lack the utility of DK, but any class can tank, any class can heal or dps. You just met a few idiots is all. I run stamina templar tank and I've never had any complaints, I use Tava's, Bloodspawn and 2 Agility + 5 Akaviri Dragonguard. I use Caltrops and Ritual of Retribution as nice slows on large groups and focus my taunts on targets that are running for other group members. The funny thing is Templar tank is actually 'good', you'll often run with a healer that isn't a templar so you can give Shards to stamina dps as well as Repentance, you should also use Power of The Light as you give minor breach and minor fracture increasing your groups dps further. A good Templar tank makes healers not required.
Had to quote this because it made me laugh.Ep1kMalware wrote: »GET THEM OUT OF MY GROUP IMMEDIATELY!
They have no CC, weak self heals, and the worst part is they spam this wet noodle ass repemtence. They just run up to the mobs ur killing amd spam it amd you get like 800 stamina back vs like 30-40k. They're a walking debuff for the entire group. Insta kicking them isn't a good enough punishment.
Sorry mate, either you've met bad tanks or you really have no clue what you are talking about. Templar tank brings unique tools to group, supporting both magicka and stamina dps. As I said before a good Templar tank can make a healer redundant so you can run 3 DD's. Also you are completely incorrect about Repentance;
Congratulations for being the only templar tank in all of tamriel that does something for your group rather than stack everything into health. -.- But healers are redundant anyway and have no use outside veteran trials save maybebassisting low levels with node picking.
I still would probably pick you last for vdsa though due to how the last boss is fought. Here is why:
You take boss, run to us, we run to boss side. Fire happens, you bring is boss, we dps snot out of it until adds. You tank adds (all of them) and we tank and burn boss. The fight is very very short but non dks can barely sustain in that fight.
Why can non DK barely sustain in that fight? Extended Ritual for Major Mending, Vigor, use Rememberance for healing yourself back to full, stamina potions if needed. I just did it last night.
Because you're tanking the 5 adds and their novas/negates -.- you rly need the defense buffs/green dragons blood. I'm not saying non dks cant to it. I'm saying non dks are going to struggle to do it. But you might be able to get into a progression group if you don't mif 5hr completion times for dsa.
Ive done it on a sap tank and a stamsorc tank countless times. Any class can tank it if they know what they are doing.
Yeah, it's not a question of if templars can tank, but the fact that their maximum potential as a tank is lower than a DK or even NB.1 -
austinwalter87ub17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭Ep1kMalware wrote: »Sordidfairytale wrote: »Ep1kMalware wrote: »austinwalter87ub17_ESO wrote: »Ep1kMalware wrote: »They lack the utility of DK, but any class can tank, any class can heal or dps. You just met a few idiots is all. I run stamina templar tank and I've never had any complaints, I use Tava's, Bloodspawn and 2 Agility + 5 Akaviri Dragonguard. I use Caltrops and Ritual of Retribution as nice slows on large groups and focus my taunts on targets that are running for other group members. The funny thing is Templar tank is actually 'good', you'll often run with a healer that isn't a templar so you can give Shards to stamina dps as well as Repentance, you should also use Power of The Light as you give minor breach and minor fracture increasing your groups dps further. A good Templar tank makes healers not required.
Had to quote this because it made me laugh.Ep1kMalware wrote: »GET THEM OUT OF MY GROUP IMMEDIATELY!
They have no CC, weak self heals, and the worst part is they spam this wet noodle ass repemtence. They just run up to the mobs ur killing amd spam it amd you get like 800 stamina back vs like 30-40k. They're a walking debuff for the entire group. Insta kicking them isn't a good enough punishment.
Sorry mate, either you've met bad tanks or you really have no clue what you are talking about. Templar tank brings unique tools to group, supporting both magicka and stamina dps. As I said before a good Templar tank can make a healer redundant so you can run 3 DD's. Also you are completely incorrect about Repentance;
Congratulations for being the only templar tank in all of tamriel that does something for your group rather than stack everything into health. -.- But healers are redundant anyway and have no use outside veteran trials save maybebassisting low levels with node picking.
I still would probably pick you last for vdsa though due to how the last boss is fought. Here is why:
You take boss, run to us, we run to boss side. Fire happens, you bring is boss, we dps snot out of it until adds. You tank adds (all of them) and we tank and burn boss. The fight is very very short but non dks can barely sustain in that fight.
Why can non DK barely sustain in that fight? Extended Ritual for Major Mending, Vigor, use Rememberance for healing yourself back to full, stamina potions if needed. I just did it last night.
Because you're tanking the 5 adds and their novas/negates -.- you rly need the defense buffs/green dragons blood. I'm not saying non dks cant to it. I'm saying non dks are going to struggle to do it. But you might be able to get into a progression group if you don't mif 5hr completion times for dsa.
I respect your opinion, but he has stated twice on this thread that he HAS done it. So...Ep1kMalware wrote: »austinwalter87ub17_ESO wrote: »Ep1kMalware wrote: »austinwalter87ub17_ESO wrote: »Ep1kMalware wrote: »They lack the utility of DK, but any class can tank, any class can heal or dps. You just met a few idiots is all. I run stamina templar tank and I've never had any complaints, I use Tava's, Bloodspawn and 2 Agility + 5 Akaviri Dragonguard. I use Caltrops and Ritual of Retribution as nice slows on large groups and focus my taunts on targets that are running for other group members. The funny thing is Templar tank is actually 'good', you'll often run with a healer that isn't a templar so you can give Shards to stamina dps as well as Repentance, you should also use Power of The Light as you give minor breach and minor fracture increasing your groups dps further. A good Templar tank makes healers not required.
Had to quote this because it made me laugh.Ep1kMalware wrote: »GET THEM OUT OF MY GROUP IMMEDIATELY!
They have no CC, weak self heals, and the worst part is they spam this wet noodle ass repemtence. They just run up to the mobs ur killing amd spam it amd you get like 800 stamina back vs like 30-40k. They're a walking debuff for the entire group. Insta kicking them isn't a good enough punishment.
Sorry mate, either you've met bad tanks or you really have no clue what you are talking about. Templar tank brings unique tools to group, supporting both magicka and stamina dps. As I said before a good Templar tank can make a healer redundant so you can run 3 DD's. Also you are completely incorrect about Repentance;
Congratulations for being the only templar tank in all of tamriel that does something for your group rather than stack everything into health. -.- But healers are redundant anyway and have no use outside veteran trials save maybebassisting low levels with node picking.
I still would probably pick you last for vdsa though due to how the last boss is fought. Here is why:
You take boss, run to us, we run to boss side. Fire happens, you bring is boss, we dps snot out of it until adds. You tank adds (all of them) and we tank and burn boss. The fight is very very short but non dks can barely sustain in that fight.
Why can non DK barely sustain in that fight? Extended Ritual for Major Mending, Vigor, use Rememberance for healing yourself back to full, stamina potions if needed. I just did it last night.
Because you're tanking the 5 adds and their novas/negates -.- you rly need the defense buffs/green dragons blood. I'm not saying non dks cant to it. I'm saying non dks are going to struggle to do it. But you might be able to get into a progression group if you don't mif 5hr completion times for dsa.
Rememberance is a pretty low cost ultimate and doesnt tap into my stamina/magicka. Which means I get to save my Stam for vigor/blocking and heal myself to full. I can sustain myself in a different way using this method of preventing stamina usage. I also regenerate stamina while remembrances channel is active. Plus the benefit of it being a group heal/mitigation
That's not even going to work? You're going to be on the oposite side of the boss room by yourself with no outside support getting spamm cc'd, with novas and negates. At the very least you need focused ritual.
Well he has said twice on this thread that he completed vDSA so... different strokes?
Right, but my point isn't the ability to complete, it's the inability to complete effectively. It's not about weather or not that guy can complete vdsa if given enough time. The thread is about templar tanks in general amd vdsa is a prime example.
Define the effectiveness of a tank? The ability to survive and sustain extended durations of time without support? DK'S achieve this with their mitigation, with their Armor Ulti. Crazy mitigation paired with self healing. Templars don't have access to such high levels of mitigation due to the ultimate. What they do have access to is a Heal over Time (ritual) And an Ulti which gives group mitigation and heals substantial amounts.
The Blue Champion points for a templar as a templar tank should still be mostly invested into Blessed to increase your healing power. You can run vigor, extended ritual, use honor of the dead as a magicka dump if you wish, and rememberance. The rest comes down to gear and resource management.PC and PS4 (bring back character transfers please?)
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Seadle✭✭✭Ep1kMalware wrote: »
Because you're tanking the 5 adds and their novas/negates -.- you rly need the defense buffs/green dragons blood. I'm not saying non dks cant to it. I'm saying non dks are going to struggle to do it. But you might be able to get into a progression group if you don't mif 5hr completion times for dsa.
Waste of a skill slot.
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rustic_potato✭✭✭✭✭OMG please take the potato tanks out of end game stuff.. I'm tired of telling templar tanks to roll DKs to join and serious content..
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Oompuh✭✭✭✭✭First of all, many of you are talking about vDSA which I tank in medium armor as a DK so using armor master and footman isn't anything to brag about. Secondly, using Rememberance over War Horn is a big dps loss. And your stamina return while blocking? Chains? Nah? Ok.
But no, your templar who uses the TANKIEST sets in the game to do 4 man content is on par with DKS who wear minimum self support and high group support sets and do hard mode maw
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AJ_1988✭✭✭austinwalter87ub17_ESO wrote: »I do think the lack of good tanking CC is the biggest downfall to Templar Tanks.
It is a shame that Silver Leash was changed to no longer pull enemies to you.
It makes a good gap closer in pvp especially if they are a vamp or wolf. When it doesn't bug out that is.0 -
austinwalter87ub17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭chloethefoxxub17_ESO wrote: »Temp tanks dont have an equivalent to chains/talons and lack the amazing resource management of a DK.
Bloodspawn, Armor Master, and Footmans - makes you extremely tanky but it's a selfish setup in that it doesn't benefit your group at all.
also there's no point in going over 32500 (?) armor as that is the mitigation cap.First of all, many of you are talking about vDSA which I tank in medium armor as a DK so using armor master and footman isn't anything to brag about. Secondly, using Rememberance over War Horn is a big dps loss. And your stamina return while blocking? Chains? Nah? Ok.
But no, your templar who uses the TANKIEST sets in the game to do 4 man content is on par with DKS who wear minimum self support and high group support sets and do hard mode maw
I can afford to wear the tankiest sets being a Templar because as a Templar I provide more group utility from inherent class abilities and passives than a DK. DK'S utility is mostly for the self. The exception being their crowd control.PC and PS4 (bring back character transfers please?)
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✭austinwalter87ub17_ESO wrote: »chloethefoxxub17_ESO wrote: »Temp tanks dont have an equivalent to chains/talons and lack the amazing resource management of a DK.
Bloodspawn, Armor Master, and Footmans - makes you extremely tanky but it's a selfish setup in that it doesn't benefit your group at all.
also there's no point in going over 32500 (?) armor as that is the mitigation cap.First of all, many of you are talking about vDSA which I tank in medium armor as a DK so using armor master and footman isn't anything to brag about. Secondly, using Rememberance over War Horn is a big dps loss. And your stamina return while blocking? Chains? Nah? Ok.
But no, your templar who uses the TANKIEST sets in the game to do 4 man content is on par with DKS who wear minimum self support and high group support sets and do hard mode maw
I can afford to wear the tankiest sets being a Templar because as a Templar I provide more group utility from inherent class abilities and passives than a DK. DK'S utility is mostly for the self. The exception being their crowd control.
Like what? I don't need life, I will probably kick you (generalizing here because most temp tanks stack into hp) if you repentence without so much as a warning. The only utility you can offer the group is major/minor fracture which we'll have regardless. You didn't even list using restoring focus - which gives you spell/phys resistence, 8% damage mitigation, and 8% increseased healing. Every half decent healer/templar dps knows about this skill for hm AA/maw. It is your TANKIEST skill.
Also cant dks give both major/minor brutality for 45 seconds, or did they change that?
A good tank does NOT manage group resources (gtfo with that ***). A good tank locks down adds and debuffs. Why is debuffing important? Because for every 650 physical resistence that is ignored = about a 1% gain in dps. If you're a templar tank using footmans and popping a weak healing ultimate I have to slot spriggans to compensate your short commings, when I could slot a precise vma dagger over a sharpened one and run tbs instead. So your 'group utility', as you call it ends up costing me much more resorces because you're costing us dps, and wasting resources chasing adds down when we could just aoe everything down and be over with it. <--- this is what I meant on my first post when I called them walking debuffs.
99% of the time if we pick up a templar tank (we werent aware of it or we'd have never invited them) they just walk over to our group of adds we're kilking, picking their nose the whole time, and spam repentence the instant they all die. Then we get like <10% of our maximum resources. My woodelf sits at 40.4k max stam, you gave me like 4k stam from 15 mobs. -.- Then thy grab the boss and move around with it like their pants are on fire, so much for a rotation. And they wonder why they get kicked. I can tank the boss myself, I just wanted debuffs, a dead templar boss is a dps/sustain buff.
I play templar dps, I can't even take a crap without healing the group in some way, why would I need a heal tank? I think we have a very different understanding of what 'quite easilly' means. To me, quite easily is the final boss fight barely lasting a whole 1 minute.
Maybe it's just a ps4-NA thing, but most of my experiences with templar tanks has given me severe ptsd.
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austinwalter87ub17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭Cast Power of Light. Gain 3 ultimate. Buff group spell damage by 5% for 20s. Also debuffs the targets resists. Dawns Wrath passives provide this in one cast mind you. DK has a passive which buffs the groups Weapon Damage by 5% when they cast igneous shield. Templar shines in magicka DPS groups due to this and we are in magicka meta.
Templar passives grant me better damage reduction from blocking by 5% than a DK, as long as an aedric spear ability is slotted.
I give the group basically endless Major Mending. A substantial heal over time as long as they're in radius. Enemies take damage just being near me.
I have fast rezz for oh crap moments.
I have remembrance for oh crap moments.
Templar tanks inherently provide more group buffs and support at the expense of crowd control. DKS have better sustain, can mitigate more damage with their Ulti but I can improve the entire groups mitigation with mine.
DK'S are more selfish in their passives and abilities. Templar arent. DKs can afford to give up some of the selfish gearsets. This is my reasoning for stacking super tanky gearsets. To makeup for what I lack in the DK.Edited by austinwalter87ub17_ESO on March 9, 2017 3:17AMPC and PS4 (bring back character transfers please?)
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